Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XIV
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Ranger fan asking for Nino to be included in the Stepan trade thread... Nino+Scandella+Spurgeon for Stepan+MacDonagh+Diaz?
In the sense that:
Nino<Stepan
Scandella<Macdonagh
Spurgeon>>Diaz
Thoughts?
In the sense that:
Nino<Stepan
Scandella<Macdonagh
Spurgeon>>Diaz
Thoughts?
Nope. Nino has what few Forwards on our team have... especially considering the age of those ahead of him.
-Nino +Coyle
MacDonagh is nice, but Diaz does nothing for me at all. We lose out bigtime in the quality of D overall by losing both Scandella and Spurgeon and getting only 1 quality D in return.
Besides, we have Scandella on a super sweet deal for quite some time, we shouldn't be looking to trade him IMO.
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nickschultzfan
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Hate this trade. We need to keep the young core. We need to trades to come from the vet and prospect groups.
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No. Stepan is Mikko Koivu. A good 2nd line center, but not a 1st line center. I don't want to give up 3 of our best young players for a 25 year old that hasn't broken 60 pts. Macdonagh is great but Diaz is garbage. I don't see how the trade makes us better. Plus the fact that Stepan is a RFA and is going to get paid way more than he should if the Ryan O'Reilly/Brandon Saad deals are any indication.
Pretty easy yes as far as trade value goes. Don't see how the Wild make it work financially.
I think we're forgetting how good Mikko was when he was 25yo., as Stepan is now.
Since Coyle is licked up contract wise, and Stepan isn't( and is probably asking for a BIG contract), Stepan is devalued slightly. Obviously, he still has more value than Coyle,( that's where Spurge comes in), but the latter's size and youth has it's appeal.
I would do the deal, and send along Haula also if they need more. This whole Mcdonaugh, Diaz, Stepan thing will only work if we can send one of our older, expensive players to them, not just our young, inexpensive guys.
Never mind! Didn't realize that McDonagh had such a good contract.
I would definitely think about the deal. Much as I love Scandella/ Spurge/ Nino, Stepan is just entering his prime as a C, and McDonagh is better than the two Dmen we would be sending their way, and is locked up. Brodin, Suter, McDonagh is a firm basis for a good D corps. Diaz is kinda meh... Is his contract really bad? Would definitely miss Nino, would prefer to send Coyle and Haula, or Pominville +.
Since Coyle is licked up contract wise, and Stepan isn't( and is probably asking for a BIG contract), Stepan is devalued slightly. Obviously, he still has more value than Coyle,( that's where Spurge comes in), but the latter's size and youth has it's appeal.
I would do the deal, and send along Haula also if they need more. This whole Mcdonaugh, Diaz, Stepan thing will only work if we can send one of our older, expensive players to them, not just our young, inexpensive guys.
Never mind! Didn't realize that McDonagh had such a good contract.
I would definitely think about the deal. Much as I love Scandella/ Spurge/ Nino, Stepan is just entering his prime as a C, and McDonagh is better than the two Dmen we would be sending their way, and is locked up. Brodin, Suter, McDonagh is a firm basis for a good D corps. Diaz is kinda meh... Is his contract really bad? Would definitely miss Nino, would prefer to send Coyle and Haula, or Pominville +.
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McDonagh is redundant with Suter and Brodin. Much rather have Scandella and Spurgeon.
Stepan would be hated after 1 season of 50 points at 6+ million.
A 26 year old #1 dman on one of the best contracts in the NHL, and a 25 year old #1 center for Scandella, Spurgeon, and Niederreiter?
And some of you guys don't like the player value? How is that possible? There's no chance anyone could argue that the forward group isn't improved after this trade. I guess you could argue that the D-core wouldn't be as deep, but I would gladly trade off depth for talent. Being able to have one of Suter or McDonaugh on the ice for pretty much an entire game would make the Wild elite on defense.
This trade is a no-brainer if you can make it work financially.
And some of you guys don't like the player value? How is that possible? There's no chance anyone could argue that the forward group isn't improved after this trade. I guess you could argue that the D-core wouldn't be as deep, but I would gladly trade off depth for talent. Being able to have one of Suter or McDonaugh on the ice for pretty much an entire game would make the Wild elite on defense.
This trade is a no-brainer if you can make it work financially.
No way the Rangers even consider that deal without Nino. They lose the two best players at the moment.
McDonagh is on an amazing contract too.
Stepan and McDonagh are 25 and 26 so it's not that bad.
2.66+2.66+4-6-4=-.8
I don't think having another Koivu is that bad... People are stupid when it comes to complaining about Koivu just because he was $500k overpaid.
I'd rather have McDonagh then BOTH Scandella and Spurgeon.
Matt Duchene, Patrice Bergeron and RNH put up 55-56 points last year. Bet people would hate having them too
There will always be the people playing potential. Nino has 30+ goal potential but will he hit it? Nobody knows for sure. I can't imagine people have actually seen Stepan and McDonagh play and say no right away to that deal. Two damn fine players.
With that trade I would imagine the lineup looks something like this:
Parise-Stepan-Pominville
Zucker-Granlund-Coyle
Vanek-Koivu-Fontaine
Haula-Carter-Schroeder
Suter-Brodin (1A)
McDonagh-Dumba (1B)
Reilly-Folin (3A)
Diaz
That's a freaking good lineup!
No way the Rangers even consider that deal without Nino. They lose the two best players at the moment.
McDonagh is on an amazing contract too.
Stepan and McDonagh are 25 and 26 so it's not that bad.
2.66+2.66+4-6-4=-.8
I don't think having another Koivu is that bad... People are stupid when it comes to complaining about Koivu just because he was $500k overpaid.
I'd rather have McDonagh then BOTH Scandella and Spurgeon.
Matt Duchene, Patrice Bergeron and RNH put up 55-56 points last year. Bet people would hate having them too
Just to clarify your numbers-
the Wild would be sending $9.34M and taking on $11.4M (assuming $6M for Stepan). Not sure Fletcher could make that work.
No one complained about the Big Three on the 70's Habs, or called them redundant. All they did was win Cups.
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If we could trade Scandy, Spurgeon, Nino for Stepan and McD and we don't, there is something wrong with GMCF, that top 3 on defense would be abysmal to play against for any team in the league.
We'd also be set at center for quite a bit. That is an insane trade for MN to make. Won't happen tho.
We'd also be set at center for quite a bit. That is an insane trade for MN to make. Won't happen tho.
It's pointless to discuss in the first place because it's not even remotely going to happen.
I thought this was for actual rumored or likely possibilities for trades, not just throw random ideas against the wall over and over, when they have no chance of happening.
I thought this was for actual rumored or likely possibilities for trades, not just throw random ideas against the wall over and over, when they have no chance of happening.
I second this wholeheartedly. I know it's the off season and all, but this thread has been mostly fantasy.
The thread title is "Trade Ideas"... Stepan isn't far fetched considering he's a 1C or a really damn good 2C and if he only costs Coyle and Spurgeon, as suggested by a Ranger fan, that's a good deal. If you don't like fans creating trade proposals maybe don't read this thread 
The thread title is "Trade Ideas"... Stepan isn't far fetched considering he's a 1C or a really damn good 2C and if he only costs Coyle and Spurgeon, as suggested by a Ranger fan, that's a good deal. If you don't like fans creating trade proposals maybe don't read this thread
It's just the sheer amount of random proposals have just gotten way overboard.
We don't even know if the Rangers are shopping him in the first place at this point. I do know they haven't been shopping MacDonagh.
This thread the past couple weeks has just been "we need a #1 C, let's look at every #1 or 2 C from every other team and dream up proposals... just because".
The Rangers are shopping him. Their roster has been relatively set according to a NYR fan on the trade board. McDonagh was included for the one NYR fan who wanted Nino... As for the rest, congratulations you just defined the point of this thread.
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Nino is the only guy we have who has the chance to develop into an elite goal scorer. Don't want to move him for stepan. At all.
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