Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XIV

[Lennu32]

What do you guys think about Pominville+50+110 for Plekanec+26?

I put it up on the main boards in that thread a bit ago and MTL fans seem to like it. It gets us another late first instead of a second rounder (albeit at the expense of a 4th rounder), and it swaps Pominville for a capable top 6 C whose contract expires after next season, allowing us to sign our RFAs.

I like Pommer, but because of depth in wingers I would do it.

I've been thinking Vanek for Vatanen and 2nd. Granted it's cheap price, but would allows us to sign Duby. Then swap Spurgeon for Namenstnikov. Saves some cap space too, enables Coyle to move to wing and allows Dumba to progress with Leopold. Scandella, Vatanen and Dumba would all be very dangerous PP players and Granlund knows Vatanen from a long time, they can read each other very well. Could help a lot in PP.
All main kids would still be in the line-up. Adds up a 2nd in a deep draft.

Parise-Granlund-Pominville
Zucker-Koivu/Namenstnikov-Coyle
Nino-Namenstnikov/Koivu-Fontaine
Sutter-Haula-Schroeder

Suter - Brodin
Scandella - Vatanen
Leopold - Dumba

Duby
Kuemper

 

[AKL]

No way in hell would Anaheim trade Vatanen for Vanek, forget them adding a 2nd.

 

[Lennu32]

No way in hell would Anaheim trade Vatanen for Vanek, forget them adding a 2nd.

They're been looking for a top-6 LW and their D is stacked. The price is cheap, me thinks

 

[Digitalbooya]

They're been looking for a top-6 LW and their D is stacked. The price is cheap, me thinks

Vatanen being cheap? Nope, don't think so.

 

[Al Lagoon]

We don't need bold trades, we need smart transactions. GMCF needs to be foxy, not outrageous.

 

[nickschultzfan]

You'd rather move Dumba than a Coyle+Spurgeon like package?

I would rather move Dumba than both Spurgeon and Coyle.

Head to head Spurgeon has and will continue to have a better impact on winning games. Dumba has mad skills but even if he reaches his full potential he will be a two steps forward one step back kind of guy. Hockey is about controlling the puck, and nobody does that better than Spurgeon.

Dumba has more value though because his age and contract. But it is not enough to outweigh Coyle. I have never been a Coyle fan, but he is a big physical 2nd line RW and could develop into a 2nd line center. That is a good player on a team that is on the softer side.

I just don't see the ultimate upside of Dumba in that I would not build a blueline around Subban. He is great to watch as a fan, but Cup teams are built on boring bluelines.

 

[TaLoN]

I would rather move Dumba than both Spurgeon and Coyle.

Head to head Spurgeon has and will continue to have a better impact on winning games. Dumba has mad skills but even if he reaches his full potential he will be a two steps forward one step back kind of guy. Hockey is about controlling the puck, and nobody does that better than Spurgeon.

Dumba has more value though because his age and contract. But it is not enough to outweigh Coyle. I have never been a Coyle fan, but he is a big physical 2nd line RW and could develop into a 2nd line center. That is a good player on a team that is on the softer side.

I just don't see the ultimate upside of Dumba in that I would not build a blueline around Subban. He is great to watch as a fan, but Cup teams are built on boring bluelines.

I couldn't disagree with you more... if Dumba reaches his potential, we have a PK Subban on our hands! Sorry... Spurgeon is already as good as he's going to get. Dumba is going to get a LOT better!

He's already showing his major offensive flashes, and he's already showing he's learning how to play in his own zone as well. He's almost caught Spurgeon as an all around player already!

With all of that... we have guys like Suter, Brodin and Scandella to go along with him, so it's not like we're building around him, we're building around Suter and Brodin, and Dumba is the perfect compliment to those two!

Trading Dumba now would still be selling on the major low side, since he's just getting started to the player he will become!

 

[nickschultzfan]

We don't need bold trades, we need smart transactions. GMCF needs to be foxy, not outrageous.

I generally agree that teams that reach for 1st line players end up with a less than advertised result or opening up another hole elsewhere. And the Wild ate dangerously close to doing that.

However, Cup teams do make moves that work out amazingly and the Wild is only 1 or 2 good players from winning it all.

 

[this providence]

Spurgeon is 25 and has peaked. Oh. Okay.

And Dumba, who's played a couple of solid sheltered months in the NHL is 'almost' as good as an all around defender as Spurgeon? They change the meaning of 'almost' on me?

This place.

 

[Taylor26]

spergy gets flipped for a 1st (20-25) and a 2017/18 2nd rd this trade deadline. That's my take.

 

[TaLoN]

Spurgeon is 25 and has peaked. Oh. Okay.

And Dumba, who's played a couple of solid sheltered months in the NHL is 'almost' as good as an all around defender as Spurgeon? They change the meaning of 'almost' on me?

This place.

Players are at their peak usually between 24-27 and then plateau if not slightly decline from 28-31.

As for Dumba... I wouldn't call his late season beast-mode all that sheltered... he was getting some bigtime minutes down the stretch. Sure, he was sheltered early on, but when he started showing his NHL mojo, Yeo rewarded him with time.

 

[Harvest]

Mika Zibanejad got 2 X 2.625M

I dont see how/why Granlund should get more.

 

[Wild11MN]

spergy gets flipped for a 1st (20-25) and a 2017/18 2nd rd this trade deadline. That's my take.

Why would we get worse at the deadline in a year we're trying to contend?

 

[57special]

Fontaine is such a strange player. I have no idea if he's a Top 6 player, a middle 6 player, a bottom 6 player, or even a player in this league.

If he was a normal 2nd year rookie, I'd say he has a lot of potential to be a Top 6 player, but his age is what always throws me off. He's 27 and turns 28 in November.

He's not a sexy player, for sure. To me, he's a bottom sixer, and easily replaceable. Hope he proves me wrong this year.

 

[Uberdachen]

Players are at their peak usually between 24-27 and then plateau if not slightly decline from 28-31.

As for Dumba... I wouldn't call his late season beast-mode all that sheltered... he was getting some bigtime minutes down the stretch. Sure, he was sheltered early on, but when he started showing his NHL mojo, Yeo rewarded him with time.

It was super sheltered, and finally rewarded with some key offensive opportunities where he shone extra bright. Excellent utilization, but he's not ready for top-4 duty yet.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Spurgeon is 25 and has peaked. Oh. Okay.

And Dumba, who's played a couple of solid sheltered months in the NHL is 'almost' as good as an all around defender as Spurgeon? They change the meaning of 'almost' on me?

This place.

I don't think Spurgeon has peaked, but I also don't think he's only halfway up the mountain, either.

You can project out Dumba's raw toolset to Spurgeon's age with 5 years of NHL experience under his belt, and that is a very promising and exciting notion. If one of them had to go, and my personal opinion is that I don't want either of them to, I would favor Dumba's 21-30 years over Spurgeon's 25-35.

If Spurgeon goes, we'll likely take a hit in our overall defensive game, but make gains in the offensive areas, which isn't necessarily a bad thing when you already have defensemen of Suter, Brodin and Scandella's ilk.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Mika Zibanejad got 2 X 2.625M

I dont see how/why Granlund should get more.

Yeah, maybe a slight bump for playing the role that he has, but $2.75M would be great.

 

[BusQuets]

Ziba with 2.6, Stone with 3.0(2years), I think Granlund will get 2.8 per 2.

 

[Harvest]

Ziba with 2.6, Stone with 3.0(2years), I think Granlund will get 2.8 per 2.

Actually Stones is 3.5m x 3.

 

[Puhis]

He's not a sexy player, for sure. To me, he's a bottom sixer, and easily replaceable. Hope he proves me wrong this year.

Eh, he could be a good middle-6 guy in the right company. I somehow feel like he should be the complimentary scorer in a line with two physical/defensive-first guys, or a piece that could be replaced at any time but won't be because he has good chemistry with a certain player that otherwise is better. Say, Vanek - Coyle - Fontaine -line from last year, which seemed to click quite well.

He can be replaced, sure, but the problem is that he probably doesn't have all that much value to anyone else. A guy who is going to be 28 soon, isn't flashy, doesn't have the draft pedigree nor impressive numbers simply wouldn't be worth trading, barring a desperate need to free up a roster spot.

I'd say this is the year we should give Nino a proper opportunity in the top-6. Put him in a line where he's poised to succeed, like RW with Parise and Granlund. Yeah, not his natural position, but the kid can absolutely score goals, and plays that power forward -type of game. If he crashes and burns, we can always reunite Pommer with that line, but if he succeeds, look out.

To keep this somewhat on topic, a lot will depend on what happens with Dubnyk. If he's signed on a somewhat reasonable contact (say, 4x4.5 or 3x5), we can always roll with him and Kuemper. If not, however, we need to fork out some assets for yet another starting goalie.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I actually really like Stone's deal, when looking ahead to Zucker next summer.

 

[nickschultzfan]

I don't think Spurgeon has peaked, but I also don't think he's only halfway up the mountain, either.

You can project out Dumba's raw toolset to Spurgeon's age with 5 years of NHL experience under his belt, and that is a very promising and exciting notion. If one of them had to go, and my personal opinion is that I don't want either of them to, I would favor Dumba's 21-30 years over Spurgeon's 25-35.

If Spurgeon goes, we'll likely take a hit in our overall defensive game, but make gains in the offensive areas, which isn't necessarily a bad thing when you already have defensemen of Suter, Brodin and Scandella's ilk.

Cup teams have bluelines that rarely make mistakes. Dumba could score 60 points in a season, and it wouldn't matter if he turns the puck over in the neutral zone half a dozen times over a series.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Cup teams have bluelines that rarely make mistakes. Dumba could score 60 points in a season, and it wouldn't matter if he turns the puck over in the neutral zone half a dozen times over a series.

I'd take the risk.

 

[keppel146]

Forwards always peak earlier than defensemen. Spurg is just hitting his prime baby!!

 

[Granlund 64]

I think it was pretty much a given we were going to kick the tires. Would have to take a steep discount and be a third pairing guy.