Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XIV

[Dr Jan Itor]

80 point #1C no, but only 5 players had 80+ points last season. 70+ point #1C? Maybe, but still only 19 guys had 70+ points.

The 30th highest scoring C had 55 points. I think Draisaitl is definitely capable of 60-70 in his prime the way scoring is nowadays. And I'm ok with that.

Fair enough. 70 is probably a better threshold.

 

[nickschultzfan]

If we trade for Draisaitl, I would rather move Dumba in that deal.

 

[AKL]

If we trade for Draisaitl, I would rather move Dumba in that deal.

You'd rather move Dumba than a Coyle+Spurgeon like package?

 

[Generic User]

With as much promise as Dumba has shown why on earth would we trade him for Draisaitl? Other than the fact that he was drafted high by a team with a history of bad drafting, did he show glimpses of something otherworldly last season? Maybe I missed something but he has looked pretty average. Could change, obviously, but no way I'm trading Dumba (especially in a package) for him.

 

[thestonedkoala]

So, we spend all this time developing and signing young players to team friendly deals only to trade them? What are we? Philadelphia?

 

[Loopy0ne]

i'd do spurg for kadri straight up and let the rest of the younger players get exp and grow (hopefully). also, if dubi won't sign a decent deal, trade a later pick for lehner and roll with it.


gmcf should be conservative this offseason IMO. the last season was a strange one in many ways...

 

[Digitalbooya]

The Oilers will make a move, it just is a matter of when.

Brodin + Kuemper for RNH

Dumba + Kuemper for Yak

Spurgeon + Kuemper for Eberle

Just keep hammering away until they accept one of those deals.

People don't like that, trust me

If we trade for Draisaitl, I would rather move Dumba in that deal.

Dumba's shot>>>>Spurgeon's shot. We already have 2 otherworldly defensemen in Suter and Brodin and Scandella isn't far behind.

So, we spend all this time developing and signing young players to team friendly deals only to trade them? What are we? Philadelphia?

I think he suggested trading vets for picks and then packaging picks for better players.

i'd do spurg for kadri straight up and let the rest of the younger players get exp and grow (hopefully). also, if dubi won't sign a decent deal, trade a later pick for lehner and roll with it.
gmcf should be conservative this offseason IMO. the last season was a strange one in many ways...

I don't think Toronto even considers Kadri for Spurgeon.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Parise - Granlund - Pominville
Zucker - Koivu - Fontaine
Vanek - Coyle -Niederreiter
Whoever - Haula - Whoever

Suter - Brodin
Scandella - Spurgeon
Leopold - Dumba

If Graovac or Haula make a splash and take the #3C spot, Coyle moves to the Koivu/Zucker RW.

Curiosity kills, why Fontaine over Nino?

 

[Spurgeon]

I don't think Toronto even considers Kadri for Spurgeon.

I think you'd be surprised.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I think you'd be surprised.

What'd be the point? I think they'd be more interested in draft picks or keeping him since he's only 24.

 

[Loopy0ne]

What'd be the point? I think they'd be more interested in draft picks or keeping him since he's only 24.

have a (potentialy) cheap c prospect who could play in the top 9 and maybe push someone....

 

[Spurgeon]

What'd be the point? I think they'd be more interested in draft picks or keeping him since he's only 24.

Because they can use a young RHD. Kadri hasn't really proven much and I think Spurgeon would be a fair player-for-player swap.

Don't go make a proposal on the HFBoards though, Toronto fans tend to like their players a bit too much.

This would allow them to go after someone like Strome/Marner as well for their #1 center.

 

[Digitalbooya]

have a (potentialy) cheap c prospect who could play in the top 9 and maybe push someone....

I mean why would Toronto do that deal?

Because they can use a young RHD. Kadri hasn't really proven much and I think Spurgeon would be a fair player-for-player swap.

Don't go make a proposal on the HFBoards though, Toronto fans tend to like their players a bit too much.

This would allow them to go after someone like Strome/Marner as well for their #1 center.

Oh I don't plan on making a trade proposal thread for at least a few more hours

I still think if they trade Kadri they target picks and prospects to go along with the rebuild. I don't think Spurgeon fits what they are trying to do right now. The value may be fair but it doesn't fit what they're doing.

 

[Loopy0ne]

you can build from d and goalie out... seems like a good plan for TO, no?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Curiosity kills, why Fontaine over Nino?

It's really just an OCD thing I have about 3 lefties on the same line. But I also think he could do very well there (and as a side benefit, seeing him play a top 6 role could help determine if Pominville is expendable), and Nino could continue to take advantage of favorable matchups on the 3rd line. If both he and Coyle take another step forward, that's one of the best 3rd lines in the league.

To the underlined point above, let's say Fontaine puts up ~20 goals and ~45-50 points, playing a top6 role. Assuming that Graovac has another progressive season in Iowa this year, and is on track to take the #3C spot in 2016-17; this would push Coyle to the RW where Fontaine has shown he belongs. Pominville may now become expendable.

I hope that's some sort of logical.

 

[Spurgeon]

It's really just an OCD thing I have about 3 lefties on the same line. But I also think he could do very well there (and as a side benefit, seeing him play a top 6 role could help determine if Pominville is expendable), and Nino could continue to take advantage of favorable matchups on the 3rd line. If both he and Coyle take another step forward, that's one of the best 3rd lines in the league.

To the underlined point above, let's say Fontaine puts up ~20 goals and ~45-50 points, playing a top6 role. Assuming that Graovac has another progressive season in Iowa this year, and is on track to take the #3C spot in 2016-17; this would push Coyle to the RW where Fontaine has shown he belongs. Pominville may now become expendable.

I hope that's some sort of logical.

Fontaine is such a strange player. I have no idea if he's a Top 6 player, a middle 6 player, a bottom 6 player, or even a player in this league.

If he was a normal 2nd year rookie, I'd say he has a lot of potential to be a Top 6 player, but his age is what always throws me off. He's 27 and turns 28 in November.

 

[Digitalbooya]

you can build from d and goalie out... seems like a good plan for TO, no?

Spurgeon is gonna be past his prime before Toronto is relevant again. That's why I think it makes no sense for them. Now if they flipped him for a 1st afterwards that would make sense to me.

It's really just an OCD thing I have about 3 lefties on the same line. But I also think he could do very well there (and as a side benefit, seeing him play a top 6 role could help determine if Pominville is expendable), and Nino could continue to take advantage of favorable matchups on the 3rd line. If both he and Coyle take another step forward, that's one of the best 3rd lines in the league.

To the underlined point above, let's say Fontaine puts up ~20 goals and ~45-50 points, playing a top6 role. Assuming that Graovac has another progressive season in Iowa this year, and is on track to take the #3C spot in 2016-17; this would push Coyle to the RW where Fontaine has shown he belongs. Pominville may now become expendable.

I hope that's some sort of logical.

That makes sense to me. Perfect explanation.

Fontaine is such a strange player. I have no idea if he's a Top 6 player, a middle 6 player, a bottom 6 player, or even a player in this league.

If he was a normal 2nd year rookie, I'd say he has a lot of potential to be a Top 6 player, but his age is what always throws me off. He's 27 and turns 28 in November.

He's like the Pretender. He can do anything he wants to do when he wants. Put him on the 4th line he'll play offense like he's a 1st line forward. Fonzie doesn't care.

 

[AKL]

What do you guys think about Pominville+50+110 for Plekanec+26?

I put it up on the main boards in that thread a bit ago and MTL fans seem to like it. It gets us another late first instead of a second rounder (albeit at the expense of a 4th rounder), and it swaps Pominville for a capable top 6 C whose contract expires after next season, allowing us to sign our RFAs.

 

[Loopy0ne]

Spurgeon is gonna be past his prime before Toronto is relevant again. .

with their rabid fanbase and babcockl coaching.... are you sure about that?

 

[Spurgeon]

What do you guys think about Pominville+50+110 for Plekanec+26?

I put it up on the main boards in that thread a bit ago and MTL fans seem to like it. It gets us another late first instead of a second rounder (albeit at the expense of a 4th rounder), and it swaps Pominville for a capable top 6 C whose contract expires after next season, allowing us to sign our RFAs.

I think that could work.

Parise - Koivu - Coyle

Zucker - Granlund - Nino

Vanek - Plekanec - Fontaine

Haula - Graovac - Schroeder

Definitely gives us depth down the middle. And Plekanec to Vanek is fun to say.

 

[Digitalbooya]

What do you guys think about Pominville+50+110 for Plekanec+26?

I put it up on the main boards in that thread a bit ago and MTL fans seem to like it. It gets us another late first instead of a second rounder (albeit at the expense of a 4th rounder), and it swaps Pominville for a capable top 6 C whose contract expires after next season, allowing us to sign our RFAs.

I like it. It allows Coyle to move to wing and we pick up a 1st:

Parise-Granlund-Nino
Zucker-Plekanec-Coyle
Vanek-Koivu-Fontaine
Sutter-Haula-Schroeder

with their rabid fanbase and babcockl coaching.... are you sure about that?

Yep. They'll be rebuilding for at least 2-3 years.

 

[AKL]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

Parise-Granlund-Nino
Zucker-Koivu-Coyle
Vanek-Plekanec-Fontaine

But yeah either way it works out. We have the winger depth to stomach the loss, and it would give us three #2 C's (potentially 2 and a #1 if Granlund breaks out).

And then of course the extra first round pick this year on top of the cap relief next year.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

What do you guys think about Pominville+50+110 for Plekanec+26?

I put it up on the main boards in that thread a bit ago and MTL fans seem to like it. It gets us another late first instead of a second rounder (albeit at the expense of a 4th rounder), and it swaps Pominville for a capable top 6 C whose contract expires after next season, allowing us to sign our RFAs.

I still really want to know if last year was just a shooting % aberration or not. A guy shouldn't see an increase in shots and a decrease in shooting % because he's gotten worse. That has to lean towards 'unlucky'. Even at a 10% shooting (below his career average), he's a 25 goal, 60 point player, which is well worth his contract.

Valuewise it's probably good, but I don't know if I'd do it just yet.

 

[AKL]

I still really want to know if last year was just a shooting % aberration or not. A guy should see an increase in shots and a decrease in shooting % because he's gotten worse. That has to lean towards 'unlucky'. Even at a 10% shooting (below his career average), he's a 25 goal, 60 point player, which is well worth his contract.

Valuewise it's probably good, but I don't know if I'd do it just yet.

I agree that if he scores 25 and 60 next year he's worth the contract, I'm just thinking more of the cap relief to sign the RFA's is gonna be valuable too, in case we can't move Vanek (although if we did this deal we wouldn't try).

I can see why someone would hesitate on it though.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I agree that if he scores 25 and 60 next year he's worth the contract, I'm just thinking more of the cap relief to sign the RFA's is gonna be valuable too, in case we can't move Vanek (although if we did this deal we wouldn't try).

I can see why someone would hesitate on it though.

If it came to that, assuming he doesn't nosedive this year, he'd still be moveable if we ran into trouble next summer.

And if we couldn't, the only real cap casualty would be Spurgeon, and because he's an RFA, we'd still get some sort of compensation for him. Admittedly, losing 26 year old Spurgeon for a 32-33 year old Pominville would suck, no getting around that.