Dr Jan Itor
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I don't like the idea of giving up a 2nd for a 3rd pairing guy. I know our options are limited without the 3rd rounder, but I'd think you'd be able to get a guy that's 80% of Polak for a 4th or 5th.
Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XI
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tomgilbertfan
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Yeah, I'm really hesitant to give up another 2nd round pick. We'll go right from the 1st round to the 4th round.
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Jarick
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Ryan Lambert (of all people) had a really good article about Bergenheim and why he's being overvalued.
Stats through 2011:
G60 0.76
P60 1.54
S60 9.83
S% 7.7%
That's actually a fair amount of shots per game but nothing overwhelmingly amazing.
But then he had a really great playoff:
G60 2.38
P60 2.91
S60 12.2
S% 19.6%
He doubled his point production! Actually he did again increase his shooting, but look at the shot percentage, nearly tripled. Based off that small sample size, Florida gave him a 4-year deal worth $2.75m per year.
His stats since then:
G60 0.95
P60 1.62
S60 10.62
S% 8.9%
Nice little bump from his previous stats, but probably not what they were expecting. And your "real" stats were 41 goals and 70 points in three years. Nothing to write home about.
The shot totals are CRAZY. He's shooting the puck about as much as Parise or Pominville. But his shooting percentage is closer to Koivu/Granlund levels. And he doesn't get many assists either.
I guess as a third line wing option he wouldn't be bad...but why give up to get him when you have guys like Schroeder and Nino as depth already? Are you going to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick and then put a guy like Vanek on the fourth line?
Stats through 2011:
G60 0.76
P60 1.54
S60 9.83
S% 7.7%
That's actually a fair amount of shots per game but nothing overwhelmingly amazing.
But then he had a really great playoff:
G60 2.38
P60 2.91
S60 12.2
S% 19.6%
He doubled his point production! Actually he did again increase his shooting, but look at the shot percentage, nearly tripled. Based off that small sample size, Florida gave him a 4-year deal worth $2.75m per year.
His stats since then:
G60 0.95
P60 1.62
S60 10.62
S% 8.9%
Nice little bump from his previous stats, but probably not what they were expecting. And your "real" stats were 41 goals and 70 points in three years. Nothing to write home about.
The shot totals are CRAZY. He's shooting the puck about as much as Parise or Pominville. But his shooting percentage is closer to Koivu/Granlund levels. And he doesn't get many assists either.
I guess as a third line wing option he wouldn't be bad...but why give up to get him when you have guys like Schroeder and Nino as depth already? Are you going to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick and then put a guy like Vanek on the fourth line?
tomgilbertfan
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Yeah I haven't gotten the Bergenheim talk, but since I don't watch Panthers games I'd just figured there was something there I was missing from the stat sheets.
Brodziak, Backstrom, Cooke, Fontaine and probably Spurgeon are about the only ones I could see them trying to deal out. And the only reason I say Spurgeon is he is the only one of the Top 4 Dmen who is not signed long term, and Dumba is obviously not going to be traded.
Nino Noderreiter
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Although i mean we've seen how hard it is when even one of the top 4 guys goes out. You'd kinda like to lock up a young-mobile d-man if you can because they aren't easy to find.
I'd like to try to keep suter, brodin, scandella, spurgeon, and dumba around long term.
Dr Jan Itor
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Even if you lock him up to Scandella-type deal, if in 3ish years you decide that you needed to trade him for whatever reason, it would be a very tradeable contract. I don't think you'd have any trouble getting value for him.
But I agree. I'd like to keep those 5 on the same team as long as possible.
But I agree. I'd like to keep those 5 on the same team as long as possible.
100% agree and I have really come to like and respect Spurgeon as a Dman. But unless they plan on trading away the future of an already barren prospect cupboard (Tuch, Lucia, Oloffson) and they don't want to trade the 1st round pick....something has to be given up if they actually plan on getting someone who is worth their salt for a playoff push/run.
Spurgeon
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They're not going to trade Spurgeon to make a playoff push this year. You have a young group of defensemen that want to play here and play very well together. A core of Spurgeon, Brodin, Dumba, and Scandella in the future when Suter is getting up there in age, will be a very solid group of defensemen.
If we can have Dumba on the 3rd pairing and PP time at 20 years old, he's only going to get better. I don't mind having 3 defensive pairings that don't feel like liabilities when they're out there.
The amount of **** this team has dealt with this season, I'm proud that we're still in a playoff race. Don't need to trade for anything this year, just let the cards play out, maybe pick up a 3rd pairing defensemen for VERY cheap (5th-7th pick), and then see where that gets you. If they make the playoffs, great. If they don't (and I think we're actually in a favorable position to make the playoffs), then we get a lottery chance at McDavid or a mid-range pick in one of the deeper drafts & we go into next year with a goaltender and a healthy (both physically and emotionally) squad.
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123TripleDoge
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I really hope we don't give up any assets for another dman. Just keep Dumba paired with scandy, use prosser folin til spurge is back
Schroeder has been a nice surprise I'd say. And has bought some time for management to decide if a move is necessary
Jesus comma Brodin
Effing Norris-Byng Brodin
Watching the Jackets-Pens game, I really like Atkinson's game. Shown great vision and passing skills so far in the first 10 minutes. Rumor has it he is available...
Granlund 64
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Wouldn't be a rental as he's an RFA... size is a concern. We already have a good number of smallish wingers.
He does not have a serious injury history,maybe people think he is an injury risk because of his size.The guy is very small like smaller than Spurgeon.
Puhis
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Bergenheim would be a good fit to our 3rd line. He is a two-way winger, has a good (but not great) work ethic, great wheels and is willing to shoot. He is not the smartest guy on the ice, nor does he have the greatest shot, but he's not a scrub either. The biggest issue is... do we really need him? We already have a surplus of wingers in our squad, many with similar skill-sets. Then again, he would be a good replacement for Zucker, only with a weaker shot.
Man, if only Korpikoski was available. He's the kind of guy I'd gladly pay for. He has the speed to match Zucker, is experienced and works hard. A brilliant piece to our PK, and someone who could work very well with Koivu, too. Once Zucker comes back, he'd be a great 3rd liner. Then again, we can't afford to give this years' 2nd, so a package deal would be in order. Also, our biggest need (currently, as well as in the future) is a 3rd pair, preferably left-handed defenseman. And all of those were paid premium for last summer, so I guess we have to roll with what we've got.
*checks rosters*
...Well, Falk's not that bad, right?
Man, if only Korpikoski was available. He's the kind of guy I'd gladly pay for. He has the speed to match Zucker, is experienced and works hard. A brilliant piece to our PK, and someone who could work very well with Koivu, too. Once Zucker comes back, he'd be a great 3rd liner. Then again, we can't afford to give this years' 2nd, so a package deal would be in order. Also, our biggest need (currently, as well as in the future) is a 3rd pair, preferably left-handed defenseman. And all of those were paid premium for last summer, so I guess we have to roll with what we've got.
*checks rosters*
...Well, Falk's not that bad, right?
Bergenheim would be a good fit to our 3rd line. He is a two-way winger, has a good (but not great) work ethic, great wheels and is willing to shoot. He is not the smartest guy on the ice, nor does he have the greatest shot, but he's not a scrub either. The biggest issue is... do we really need him? We already have a surplus of wingers in our squad, many with similar skill-sets. Then again, he would be a good replacement for Zucker, only with a weaker shot.
Man, if only Korpikoski was available. He's the kind of guy I'd gladly pay for. He has the speed to match Zucker, is experienced and works hard. A brilliant piece to our PK, and someone who could work very well with Koivu, too. Once Zucker comes back, he'd be a great 3rd liner. Then again, we can't afford to give this years' 2nd, so a package deal would be in order. Also, our biggest need (currently, as well as in the future) is a 3rd pair, preferably left-handed defenseman. And all of those were paid premium for last summer, so I guess we have to roll with what we've got.
*checks rosters*
...Well, Falk's not that bad, right?
I really only want Bergenheim for the playoffs if we were to make it. Would be worth a 3rd if he lit it up again
Even better give them a 4th with a conditional 6th if we make the playoffs.
Although at this point I'd like to see what Kerenen is about before make a rash deal. Schroeder has been playing well and helps replace Zuckers speed.
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