Jack = Laine value, common now no ne is saying that how can we have a serious conversation when you post silly stuff like that. I posted real stats, real point totals. No one here devalued Laine, I literally used his real totals vs Eichel real totals........I'm just not willing to project wild growth for Laine over a few months while saying Eichel doesn't increase his value any......that would be highly bais if I did.
There is some reason to believe both players want out, so let's not look at one demanding out and not acknowledge Laine own agent hasn't publically stated it's likely best a trade happens.
Laine double his trade value? How? Does he suddenly become a top 3 vote getter for best defensive forward in the NHL while producing 45 goals & 80+ points? I mean seriously, players don't double their trade value in a single summer. Plus you want to claim Laine is going to double his trade value and yet want to ignore Laine totals will fall going to a brutal team while we all know Eichel totals would increase on a much better team? How can we even have a serious conversation when you say stuff like that and stack everything in Laine favour.
The list of teams making offers on Eichel would be much longer then list not making offers.
Yes part of the whole Laine, late 1st and Copp is not only its bad value, but it also is a horrible fit for the Sabres. One simply doesn't trade a franchise centre for a complimentary PPG winger. That's why both my offers included some kind of centre replacement in them, Mark or Cole......of course Cole isn't close in value to Mark but that's why I added more to the Cole offer and took out Reinhart.
Plus what will the difference in contracts be between Laine vs Eichel after next season and Laine maybe signs 5-6+ years? Not much I'm guessing and Eichel is much much better.
Sorry anything other Mark & Laine for Eichel & Reinhart.....IMO is wilding bad value & fit for Sabres. PS Im not advocating that trade, just saying Laine, late 1st and Copp is really bad.
Silly stuff like what? I didn't say Jack = Laine. I said a much improved Laine, plus a 1st, + another piece = Jack, if Jack is forcing his way out of Buffalo. You are putting words in my mouth there.
Yes, you used the real totals. Why would you do that, given the criteria that I made very plain to start with? Nothing biased about it at all. It is a
hypothetical. The entire question was hypothetical based on a scenario where Laine has his breakout year - which would not be any kind of a surprise. If he is going to do that, this would be the year for it.
I've said several times that the 2 players both want out. So that is a wash. But the question of what would anyone else give for the players under the circumstances still applies. If Buffalo doesn't take our offer who would make a better one? What team would be willing and able to give Sabres a 1C in exchange? Keep the flat cap in mind. We will still be in unusual circumstances next off-season. I could have asked the same question in regards to Laine but it wasn't necessary since you were rejecting the offer I proposed from the Jets.
I didn't say that Laine
will have that breakout season. I asked the question based on
if he has that season. Doubling his value was a little hyperbole directed at your low evaluation of him now, which you have made plain for some time. You value him lower than I do. Lower than many others do. Toward the bottom part of the range. But the whole thing, once again, is based on a hypothetical.
Laine's totals falling and Eichel's rising is another story. Not altogether unlikely, but Eichel has played with the best linemates Buffalo could give him. Laine has not had the same benefit, most of the time. But market value tends to go by the scoring numbers without fully allowing for context. Look at Skinner's contract, for example. It also tends to be weighted heavily toward the most recent data.
The list of teams wanting Eichel would be 31 long. But how many of those teams could make serious offers, all things considered?
Will our 1st be late? We are better with Laine out and Eichel in, but we still have a weak D corps. I don't think Perfetti does it as a C replacement. They already have
prospect C replacements.
I agree that including Scheifele is the most direct way of making a fair offer. Like I said, I would try very hard to find some other way of making up the value. Would adding Heinola help? I don't see him as filling a need for Buffalo. They already have Dahlin on the left side. Probably similar in style and Dahlin is better.
If I had just wanted to ask what would it take, added to Laine, I would have started with Scheifele myself. But that is not the question I was interested in because I don't want to swap 1C's. I want to have 2 of them. Therefore, the question in the hypothetical scenario where Laine has a breakout year first.
If you are not interested in that speculation, you are free to decline to do so. You are also free to say you reject that scenario and state that nothing less than Scheifele would do. But it doesn't work if you just ignore the criteria and plow ahead as though you were answering the question as asked. It just leads to this kind of exchange.
