Speculation: Trade, FA & Rumours (Mod warning OP)

[Teemusalami204]

Still annoys me we overpaid for Stastny when they could have forced vg to give us the pick/ prospect to clear the cap space they needed for Piet.

For all we know Vegas has another team interested and Chevy acted accordingly to make sure we acquired him.

 

[robertocarlos]

It's not a Laine trade but it's a trade.

Roslo and a 3rd for Leddy (1m retained).

Leddy improves the Jet D. That's how bad it is.

 

[GumbyCan2]

I've felt that way for some time - the Jets have higher expectations for Samberg (and maybe Heinola) for this season than many fans or media. Samberg is exactly the type of D they need. He's played big roles at a high developmental level for three years.

I have envisioned this being the case with Samberg. I was thrilled when Jets picked because I had seen him play live in high school at Hermantown ( Duluth, Mn area). He was a skinny kid who started a couple growth spirts already at 15. But he had game in him and he carried the play often. I saw him over a year kater, at 16 and he was almost a man ( 6'2 and over 180+lbs) among quite afew kids out there still, outskating most with ease. He drove the play with smart puck control, had a near pro level shot already and was showing using his size to box opponents out and to overtake them in tight areas, along the boards,etc. He was showing some gifted scoring at times, too. Out skating opponents or dragging them with him over the blue line, then finding a teammate for a scoring chance.
He was being heavily scouted and coaching was working him hard to concentrate on strong defensive zone coverage and blocking out opponents and getting loose pucks out of danger scoring zones with starting plays up the ice to teammates. His senior high school year showed a big change in his play in that he was totally concentrating on defensive zone play, reading plays in front of him anticipating where the play was going and being in position to address, disrupt and break up the opposition. Then he would battle for pucks out hustling opponent to make a play up ice to a teammate. As the year progressed he did show more offensive prowess again but with more control and looking to set plays up with teammates. Not as much one-on-one attacking on his own. He learned to use teammates and look for openings to setup further plays for his forwards. Very cognitive and mature defensive play showing with ability to make plays and start breakouts. He still brought his puck control abilities and heavy shot from the point on the top-line PPly unit. And he was also a go-to shoe-in on the PK.
He had solidified his steady, solid, smart defensive zone player monicker while still showing some offensive smarts and "chops". I think he was their leading scorer in the Minnesota high School State tourney playoffs, in which his team won his senior year. I know he scored the game winning goal in the State Championship game! Then, when he advanced to College, U of Mn-Duluth, they won the division title 2 years in a row. He was farely quiet his freshman season but almost nobody ever gets top-line minutes and special teams favor as a freshman. He towed his time, learning to adjust to bigger, stronger, faster, more talented competition and advancing his defensive game and individual skills. He had a more prominent role his sophmore year and became an integral part of their roster every game, on the way to winning the division title again. Great experience for him, feeling being a part of a tight-knit winning unit and championship team. All the while he has his ultimate sights set on joining the Jets in the NHL future.
I believe he is ready for this next step. After 3 years in US College top-division hockey, playing against more men than kids, with stronger competition and coaching, he is likely very ready. The new age " bubble-controlled", no fans in the stands and lesser crowds entering/ leaving NHL rinks should deflect slightly from too many nerves and being overwhelmed by the glitter and glitz of NHL beginning.
I see some gradual improvement and him being a pleasant, steady surprise in his humble start. Sure hope there is a new season sooner-than-later and he is in the starting lineup!
I guess I am a fan of Samberg's, one could say! Sorry for the "over-load" here.

 

[10Ducky10]

Leddy improves the Jet D. That's how bad it is.

Leddy is a bona fide 2LHD.

 

[KingBogo]

Doesn’t matter who the jets have him to play with . The damage is done and laine wants out and will not stay past his rfa years IMO

No one knows what damage is done. Personally I don’t think most professional athletes are nearly as sensitive as some fans make them out to be. Because of a unique skill set they are in a very lucrative employment field but it is also a very competitive one where a thick skin and resilience is required.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Leddy is a bona fide 2LHD.

How do we snag him out of NYI tho'? Is he available? And what would he cost us?
Do you think, Roslovic and say, prospect ( fading) LD Logan Stanley would do it?
( kind of seems a bit meager return for 2 former 1st round picks, however...those 2 picks have not done much overall yet, and Leddy could solidify a need for our roster right away) NYI could save on Cap space, signing Roslo to a smaller "show me/ prove yourself contract & Stanley is ELC peanuts right now.
Jets would need to move or bury Perreault in this scenario tho'?
Leddy comes in at 5.5 mil per for 2 years!

 

[GumbyCan2]

• Interesting, I thought playing with grit was one of his calling cards. As someone who has seen him play a decent amount where do you see him slotting in on the roster?

This past summer play-in series against the Flames he sure showed just enough snarl to knock remaining Jets scorers off their game and controlled his own net front and zone, boards very effectively.
I recall him (#20 on Flames) riding Jets players into the boards and the ice a few times, in a few of the 4 games.
Hopefully he brings that regularly in a Jets uniform going forward++.
Never comparing him to a Buff "snarly" by any means. I don't think Forbort has the "rag-doll", "knock some heads together" thing down but...he can knock opponents off their play and ride them out of their intention.
He could slot into 2nd pairing, LS with Pionk? He did play with Doughty a fair bit in LAK, being the stay-at-home defender of the pair.
I feel he will have to step up out play young Samberg to earn that spot tho'.

 

[Easternbull]

Flyer fans believe Ghost is done in the league. I am not sure we need another guy like him on the team. Maybe if he was playing the way he did a couple of years ago.

I am more convinced we are going into this season(if there is one) with this roster and one of Samberg/Heinola gets a good shot at making it

IMHO a healthy Ghost is a 1pp powerplay quarterback with an elite shot, Pionk and Jomo are not.

 

[Heldig]

How do we snag him out of NYI tho'? Is he available? And what would he cost us?
Do you think, Roslovic and say, prospect ( fading) LD Logan Stanley would do it?
( kind of seems a bit meager return for 2 former 1st round picks, however...those 2 picks have not done much overall yet, and Leddy could solidify a need for our roster right away) NYI could save on Cap space, signing Roslo to a smaller "show me/ prove yourself contract & Stanley is ELC peanuts right now.
Jets would need to move or bury Perreault in this scenario tho'?
Leddy comes in at 5.5 mil per for 2 years!

NYI HAVE to move $ so they can sign Barzal. No way do I pay that kind of price. Look at the gift the Canucks got from Vegas. Then consider trading for Leddy means losing Pionk in the expansion draft.

 

[tbcwpg]

IMHO a healthy Ghost is a 1pp powerplay quarterback with an elite shot, Pionk and Jomo are not.

I'm not too interested in bringing in a guy making $4.5 million per year for the next 3 years who can't play his position just to be a powerplay quarterback.

 

[leer2006]

IMHO a healthy Ghost is a 1pp powerplay quarterback with an elite shot, Pionk and Jomo are not.

Jomo has been elite at every level he has played at. He has not been asked to be the 1pp guy yet for this team and that is PoMo’s fault. He has all the skill to be it.

 

[KingBogo]

Jomo has been elite at every level he has played at. He has not been asked to be the 1pp guy yet for this team and that is PoMo’s fault. He has all the skill to be it.

The Jets whole PP is designed to set up on the right and unless you are among the truly elite LHD in the game a team would prefer a RHD to help distribute the puck. I'd like to see a #2 PP designed to be a mirror image and have it set up from the left and have Morrissey QB that.

 

[surixon]

The Jets whole PP is designed to set up on the right and unless you are among the truly elite LHD in the game a team would prefer a RHD to help distribute the puck. I'd like to see a #2 PP designed to be a mirror image and have it set up from the left and have Morrissey QB that.

Yup, if Ves keeps it up we have the pieces with him, Conner, Ehlers and JoMo to ice a very strong second unit.

Having said that I wouldn't be opposed to coming up with something completely new on the top unit and that could involve Morrissey depending on how its set up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Or, the Jets could just keep Laine and re-sign him to play along Perfetti for the next decade.

Yes, if they can sign him long term.

Doesn't do a thing for the boredom.

How do the Jets fix the D corps though?

I wanted to sign DeMelo to play with Morrissey this year. But he is a band-aid fix, not a legit 1st pair Dman. Morrissey is not the ideal #1 Dman either. Ideally he should be #2. If we could get a Werenski, Morrissey would play 2nd pair.

We have Samberg, Heinola, Gawanke and Chisholm who will improve the overall strength of the D corps but it isn't likely that any of them become that true #1 guy or 1st pair partner for Morrissey. Gawanke is the only RHS in that bunch.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd rather be bored than come up with trades for laine that could backfire immensely lol.

Posting hypotheticals here can't actually affect the Jets.

Every trade has the potential to backfire. So does standing pat. 3 years from now you could be saying, damn, I wish we had traded Laine 3 years ago.

 

[surixon]

The question becomes can you win with a defense by committee? To me Vegas has been quite good with that type of model so it can be done imo.

 

[Easternbull]

Regarding possible available 1D i was listening to Antti Mäkinen's comments during a podcast a discussion with Kimmo Timonen regarding Aaron Ekblad's level of play.

I have not seen enough panthers games during the last two seasons to have an honest opinion, but Antti Mäkinen has covered most of Floridas games for the finnish networks since Barkov was drafted. According to him Ekblad and his contract is an absolute landmine and Timonen's good freind Bill Zito should trade him asap.

Stanley Cup -fiiliksiä ja treidihuhuja - Kimanttia - RadioPlay

Has Ekblad's play diminished so much due to his cincussions, has anyone here seen him play enough games during the last two season to be able to agree or disagree?



I still think the jet's need a BIG physical 1/2D a slick skating puckmoving 1D or 2D like Werenski/Ekblad won't cut it IMHO.

Morrisey /Demelo
Ristolainen /Pionk
Samberg/Heinola Forbort.

Pair Risto with a smooth skating defender who can either move or pass the puck cleanly out the dzone and leave the rest to him.

 

[tbcwpg]

Regarding possible available 1D i was listening to Antti Mäkinen's comments during a podcast a discussion with Kimmo Timonen regarding Aaron Ekblad's level of play.

I have not seen enough panthers games during the last two seasons to have an honest opinion, but Antti Mäkinen has covered most of Floridas games for the finnish networks since Barkov was drafted. According to him Ekblad and his contract is an absolute landmine and Timonen's good freind Bill Zito should trade him asap.

Stanley Cup -fiiliksiä ja treidihuhuja - Kimanttia - RadioPlay

Has Ekblad's play diminished so much due to his cincussions, has anyone here seen him play enough games during the last two season to be able to agree or disagree?



I still think the jet's need a BIG physical 1/2D a slick skating puckmoving 1D or 2D like Werenski/Ekblad won't cut it IMHO.

Morrisey /Demelo
Ristolainen /Pionk
Samberg/Heinola Forbort.

Pair Risto with a smooth skating defender who can either move or pass the puck cleanly out the dzone and leave the rest to him.

Ekblad has missed like 5 or 6 games in the past 3 seasons, and he's a top pairing guy. I'd have no issue with him.

Ekblad and Werenski are miles ahead of Ristolainen as far as talent and impact on winning.

 

[Easternbull]

Ekblad has missed like 5 or 6 games in the past 3 seasons, and he's a top pairing guy. I'd have no issue with him.

Ekblad and Werenski are miles ahead of Ristolainen as far as talent and impact on winning.

Mäkinen was not referring to the number of missed games, but to the huge drop in quality of his overall play during the last 2-3 seasons.

Don't get me wrong Mäkinen stated in the same podcast that he used to think Ekblad could maybe even win the norris trophy some day, but after the concussions he is not the same player in his opinion.

How many Panthers games have you watched during these past seasons if I may ask?

I'm not saying Ristolainen is even closely as skilled as Werenski/Ekblad, but those are not the type of players or atributes the Jets need IMHO.

 

[tbcwpg]

Mäkinen was not referring to the number of missed games, but to the huge drop in quality of his overall play during the last 2-3 seasons.

Don't get me wrong Mäkinen stated in the same podcast that he used to think Ekblad could maybe even win the norris trophy some day, but after the concussions he is not the same player in his opinion.

How many Panthers games have you watched during these past seasons if I may ask?

I'm not saying Ristolainen is even closely as skilled as Werenski/Ekblad, but those are not the type of players or atributes the Jets need IMHO.

Not a lot, but the word on him from several hockey writers and stat guys is that he's excellent in his own zone and gaining entry into the opposition zone. His play has been just fine over the past two seasons.

Ristolainen, on the other hand, is bad at both of those.

 

[Easternbull]

Not a lot, but the word on him from several hockey writers and stat guys is that he's excellent in his own zone and gaining entry into the opposition zone. His play has been just fine over the past two seasons.

Ristolainen, on the other hand, is bad at both of those.

Touche! I have on the other hand watched everone of Buffalos games during the last two seasons but I will take Mäkinens and hf florida fan's eye test over your "stat" guys opinion on Ekblad.

I'm not defending Risto's stats I'm just saying like many of Buffalo's hf fans, 55 is not a first pair D, but put hin on the second pair with a smooth skating and passing player like Pionk for example and you will get a player who will keep the other team's heads up and let Hellybuck see most of the shots coming his way, while also chipping in with some goals along the way.

Like a "light" version of Buff if that makes any sense.

 

[10Ducky10]

Touche! I have on the other hand watched everone of Buffalos games during the last two seasons but I will take Mäkinens and hf florida fan's eye test over your "stat" guys opinion on Ekblad.

I'm not defending Risto's stats I'm just saying like many of Buffalo's hf fans, 55 is not a first pair D, but put hin on the second pair with a smooth skating and passing player like Pionk for example and you will get a player who will keep the other team's heads up and let Hellybuck see most of the shots coming his way, while also chipping in with some goals along the way.

Like a "light" version of Buff if that makes any sense.

Risto is horrible in his own zone. I want no part of him for any money.

Hamilton is a free agent after this season. Is he a legit 1RD?
5 x 7.8m?

 

[surixon]

I would pay decent cash in FA for Hamilton.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Jomo has been elite at every level he has played at. He has not been asked to be the 1pp guy yet for this team and that is PoMo’s fault. He has all the skill to be it.

I disagree. Morrissey will never run a successful elite pp.

 

[Atoyot]

IMHO a healthy Ghost is a 1pp powerplay quarterback with an elite shot, Pionk and Jomo are not.

Why move a piece for a PP specialist when we could very possibly have one at a much cheaper caphit in Niku? Also Gostisbehere is left handed. Maurice has made it clear, regardless if I agree with it or not, that he does not want to play a LHD on the first powerplay unit.