Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[Hunter368]

I think Nate is valued very lowly due to his cap hit. Not sure what his value is now, but I would guess it is between a 3rd round pick and a give away. Dvorak's value may have dropped from a 1st and a 3rd, but if you add to Schmidt, what you will add will have more value to another team than him for cap reasons, just as he was moved for cap reasons previously.

Dvorak has lost value, while many claim he's negative value I tend to believe he has some value but I doubt its a late 1st rd pick. Nate's value hasn't dropped or increased due to his cap hit, I suspect his value is around the 3rd pick. So the difference between the two players isn't significant, maybe 3rd round pick or a C level prospect? Stretching to say the difference is a 2nd rd pick or B level prospect. Either way not big difference in values, depends on what each teams needs are. IMO

 

[gojetsgo]

Fair question. I haven't followed his play in Vancouver. The Conor Garland in my mind is the one from his three seasons in AZ. He was a pure heart and soul, blood and guts type of player and was also blessed with high level vision, scoring touch and puck talent. He's the guy that was traded for a 9 OA pick. I'm not sure what has happened with him since but I suspect little has changed, other than the circumstance he finds himself in.

he wasn't traded for the 9th oa pick, he was part a trade that included 9th overall that got vancouver OEL and out of 3 bad contracts

 

[surixon]

Dvorak has lost value, while many claim he's negative value I tend to believe he has some value but I doubt its a late 1st rd pick. Nate's value hasn't dropped or increased due to his cap hit, I suspect his value is around the 3rd pick. So the difference between the two players isn't significant, maybe 3rd round pick or a C level prospect? Stretching to say the difference is a 2nd rd pick or B level prospect. Either way not big difference in values, depends on what each teams needs are. IMO

I'd even consider eating some 1 million of his cap to facilitate this.

Schmidt at $4.9 to Montreal for Dvorak.

We'd get Dvorak and an extra $400k In cap space.

 

[Hunter368]

I'd even consider eating some 1 million of his cap to facilitate this.

Schmidt at $4.9 to Montreal for Dvorak.

We'd get Dvorak and an extra $400k In cap space.

Thats another option to balance it out. Habs potentially have a need at RHD, we have a need for bottom 6 depth. GM's have options to balance it out via value or cap hit or a combo of both.

 

[Heldig]

Garland or Boeser likely available from Vancouver. Either would be an upgrade to the Jets top 6 / top 9.

I like Dvorak but he is a 3rd liner. Maybe he improves our third line scoring.

A guy I would love to acquire is Barrett Hayton. Doubt he is available but he is underutilized in the desert playing with scrubs.

 

[LowLefty]

I think we need to set our sights much higher then decent mid 20's AHL players to fix this issue. I like Mike but he's a tweener and we need a legit and proven middle 6 NHL talent or two.

Until we've signed the proven middle 6 talent, I'd like to see him up for a game or two - I thought he earned a look in preseason.

 

[lanky]

he wasn't traded for the 9th oa pick, he was part a trade that included 9th overall that got vancouver OEL and out of 3 bad contracts

I'm fully aware.
I think any Coyotes fan would accept the generalization that Garland was traded for 9OA, while OEL with retention was traded for Rousel,
Beagle and Ericsson. OEL's contract was definitely negative trade value.

 

[surixon]

Garland or Boeser likely available from Vancouver. Either would be an upgrade to the Jets top 6 / top 9.

I like Dvorak but he is a 3rd liner. Maybe he improves our third line scoring.

A guy I would love to acquire is Barrett Hayton. Doubt he is available but he is underutilized in the desert playing with scrubs.

The issue is we wouldn't have cap space to acquire Boeser who I would like as a trigger man for line two with Dubois and a Perfetti.

Garland or Dvorak would be good. Heck if you get both you have 2/3 of a modern third line.

Other options might be to grab players on expiring deals like Monohan/Drouin. I imagine both could be had for cheap.

 

[gojetsgo]

I'm fully aware.
I think any Coyotes fan would accept the generalization that Garland was traded for 9OA, while OEL with retention was traded for Rousel,
Beagle and Ericsson. OEL's contract was definitely negative trade value.

I don't agree with that at all considering vancouver was going after oel the summer before, garland also had a career high 39 points in zona....

 

[KingBogo]

Dvorak has lost value, while many claim he's negative value I tend to believe he has some value but I doubt its a late 1st rd pick. Nate's value hasn't dropped or increased due to his cap hit, I suspect his value is around the 3rd pick. So the difference between the two players isn't significant, maybe 3rd round pick or a C level prospect? Stretching to say the difference is a 2nd rd pick or B level prospect. Either way not big difference in values, depends on what each teams needs are. IMO

I hope you are right on the values as Schmidt would probably be the ideal player for us to move. Assuming of course Heinola actually come in and play the right side at the level most of us believe.

 

[Huffer]

0 interest in Boeser, but would be interested in Garland depending on the price (which should be lower).

 

[lanky]

I don't agree

Fine with me

 

[Hunter368]

I hope you are right on the values as Schmidt would probably be the ideal player for us to move. Assuming of course Heinola actually come in and play the right side at the level most of us believe.

The only thing no one has brought up is, would Nate ever waive to go to the Habs who are going to suck bad for the next few years still.

 

[KingBogo]

The only thing no one has brought up is, would Nate ever waive to go to the Habs who are going to suck bad for the next few years still.

I believe he has a 10 team no trade list, so chances are probably pretty good the Habs are on it.

 

[Hunter368]

I believe he has a 10 team no trade list, so chances are probably pretty good the Habs are on it.

If I was him the Habs would be #1 on my no trade list, hate to live or play hockey there, add to that the fact they are a horrible team for the next 2-3 years........I would sooner be traded to AZ (#2 on my list, nice place to live but terrible team).

 

[KingBogo]

If I was him the Habs would be #1 on my no trade list, hate to live or play hockey there, add to that the fact they are a horrible team for the next 2-3 years........I would sooner be traded to AZ (#2 on my list, nice place to live but terrible team).

Maybe he likes a certain types of adult entertainment establishments?

 

[SUX2BU]

Maybe we can pawn off Stanley on them haha

They have a giraffe already

 

[voyageur]

I hope you are right on the values as Schmidt would probably be the ideal player for us to move. Assuming of course Heinola actually come in and play the right side at the level most of us believe.

I haven't had a lot of issues with Schmidt's game this year. He's been among our best one on one defenders. He should get promoted above Morrissey on the PP.

If I were the Jets I'd say De Melo is the player to move. There's a shelf life for those type of players. I wonder if you could pull of a straight hockey trade of De Melo for Damon Severson based on contract term, maybe throw in a Russian prospect, if you know you can't sign them, and give Severson a shot to help this team, some of whom he had success with on Team Canada.

Morrissey-Severson
Dillon-Schmidt/Pionk
Samberg-Schmidt/Pionk
Stanley

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

he wasn't traded for the 9th oa pick, he was part a trade that included 9th overall that got vancouver OEL and out of 3 bad contracts

Really hard to evaluate that trade and individual parts. Van got stuck with OEL but you can't ignore the bad contracts they got rid of.

I'd even consider eating some 1 million of his cap to facilitate this.

Schmidt at $4.9 to Montreal for Dvorak.

We'd get Dvorak and an extra $400k In cap space.

Still think it would need an add, but it might not be much.

 

[jrs]

I think jets should take a look at JT Miller. He is a fantastic player who would fit in with this core and team. If Vancouver wants to get rid of him there is almost no one who could take this contract. I’m not worried about “the end” of his contract when the Jets need to win now.

Some kind of combination of Stanley, vesalainen, berdin, Harkins would do? Our serviceable players for their burden of a contract?

 

[Keystone]

I think jets should take a look at JT Miller. He is a fantastic player who would fit in with this core and team. If Vancouver wants to get rid of him there is almost no one who could take this contract. I’m not worried about “the end” of his contract when the Jets need to win now.

Some kind of combination of Stanley, vesalainen, berdin, Harkins would do? Our serviceable players for their burden of a contract?

Are u serious? The guy has outperformed schiefele since he got to Vancouver. That would be like us taking tucker poolman and a bunch of scrubs for 55.

 

[jrs]

Are u serious? The guy has outperformed schiefele since he got to Vancouver. That would be like us taking tucker poolman and a bunch of scrubs for 55.

When we’ve seen so many good players traded for future considerations or very little some form of this trade doesn’t seem too unreasonable. The only picks I would include would be for retention on this years contract if that’s possible, not sure if it is with another contract signed.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

If Canucks took wheels I'd do Wheels plus Ville for Miller

 

[mondo3]

I’d guess they’d ask for Perfetti and take back a medium salary dump

 

[tbcwpg]

When we’ve seen so many good players traded for future considerations or very little some form of this trade doesn’t seem too unreasonable. The only picks I would include would be for retention on this years contract if that’s possible, not sure if it is with another contract signed.

They're not looking to get out of his contract just yet. Those deals you refer to were cap trades, whereas a Miller trade would be part of a rebuild to get assets back.

You're out to lunch if you think a trade package with Stanley as the centerpiece and a mix of some players who aren't in North America would get a PPG player like Miller.