Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[DRW204]

I don't watch enough of other teams to say

How many teams, notably top 16 teams, have a top 9 line that's all defense no offense?

 

[None]

I don't watch enough of other teams to say

How many teams, notably top 16 teams, have a top 9 line that's all defense no offense?

Maybe the Bruins 3rd line with Greer-Coyle-Smith/Frederic. They seem to come out at least even against top competition though and feast against bottom 6 comp.

The Leafs are feast or famine with regards to offensive zone starts. Their top 6 gets 100% of the Off. ZS%. Their 3rd/4th lines are thrown to the wolves.
Here's Kerfoot's all situations TOI against the Capitals where the Leafs had last change:

Without looking I'm also pretty sure that the Stars deploy whoever-Faksa-Glendening almost exclusively in defensive matchups.

 

[Hunter368]

Nate S for Dvorak (Habs need RHD)

Jets could also add a guy like Kerfoot, Leafs likely only want a pick. Leafs have cap issues.

Another option is adding Garland for Stanley plus a pick.

 

[surixon]

Nate S for Dvorak (Habs need RHD)

Jets could also add a guy like Kerfoot, Leafs likely only want a pick. Leafs have cap issues.

Another option is adding Garland for Stanley plus a pick.

All good suggestions. I'd like a two/way third line and Dvorak would be a good modern 3C.

If we can also add a Garland we could then ice a good balanced top 9.

 

[Hunter368]

All good suggestions. I'd like a two/way third line and Dvorak would be a good modern 3C.

If we can also add a Garland we could then ice a good balanced top 9.

Jets can do it cap wise:

Dvorak for Nate S

Garland for Stanley & pick.

Slide in Heinola on the Jets 3rd pairing for now and see if he can play himself up.

Jets bottom six gets significantly better

 

[lanky]

Jets can do it cap wise:

Dvorak for Nate S

Garland for Stanley & pick.

Slide in Heinola on the Jets 3rd pairing for now and see if he can play himself up.

Jets bottom six gets significantly better

Dvorak is 26 and Schmidt is 31. That 5 year gap matters A LOT for trade value.

Stanley has no trade value, so the pick would need to be a 1st for Vancouver to be interested. Not sure if you're cool with that, but I wouldn't be, even though I have a major man-crush on Garland.

 

[Jet]

Nate S for Dvorak (Habs need RHD)

Jets could also add a guy like Kerfoot, Leafs likely only want a pick. Leafs have cap issues.

Another option is adding Garland for Stanley plus a pick.

I would do the first one for sure - I think that works for the Jets in a few different ways

 

[Jetland162702]

I'm drunk

That does not disqualify people from posting their opinion.

 

[Hunter368]

Dvorak is 26 and Schmidt is 31. That 5 year gap matters A LOT for trade value.

Stanley has no trade value, so the pick would need to be a 1st for Vancouver to be interested. Not sure if you're cool with that, but I wouldn't be, even though I have a major man-crush on Garland.

Dvorak has TOI 16:36 YTD
Nate has TOI 20:42 YTD, top 4 RHD are more valuable then 3C's, maybe Jets add a mid range pick.

 

[surixon]

Dvorak is 26 and Schmidt is 31. That 5 year gap matters A LOT for trade value.

Stanley has no trade value, so the pick would need to be a 1st for Vancouver to be interested. Not sure if you're cool with that, but I wouldn't be, even though I have a major man-crush on Garland.

Does Garland have any trade value as well, he's been scratched plenty this year.

 

[ERYX]

Dvorak has TOI 16:36 YTD
Nate has TOI 20:42 YTD, top 4 RHD are more valuable then 3C's, maybe Jets add a mid range pick.

If Habs are tanking for Bedard, though, why would they want to make any deal that involves taking a roster player back? Or are we thinking that they may do well enough this season that they decide to not tank and try to make the playoffs?

Or I suppose Schmidt being a good vet/locker room guy the selling point would be to mentor the young guys?

 

[Hunter368]

If Habs are tanking for Bedard, though, why would they want to make any deal that involves taking a roster player back? Or are we thinking that they may do well enough this season that they decide to not tank and try to make the playoffs?

Or I suppose Schmidt being a good vet/locker room guy the selling point would be to mentor the young guys?

Fans think the Habs are tanking for Bedard, that might not be managements plan. Habs are 3-3-0 and sit 20th OA right now, what are the chances they get 1st OA? Early in the season I get that.

Plus to your point they need someone on D, giving up Dvorak and getting Nate to fill that role plus a pick to boot isn't bad. Lets not act like Dvorak is great or is having a good start to his year with 16:36 TOI, zero points and is -3. Nate comes in helps the kids, fills the need and keep the locker room from getting too negative.

 

[lanky]

Does Garland have any trade value as well, he's been scratched plenty this year.

Fair question. I haven't followed his play in Vancouver. The Conor Garland in my mind is the one from his three seasons in AZ. He was a pure heart and soul, blood and guts type of player and was also blessed with high level vision, scoring touch and puck talent. He's the guy that was traded for a 9 OA pick. I'm not sure what has happened with him since but I suspect little has changed, other than the circumstance he finds himself in.

 

[KingBogo]

Dvorak has TOI 16:36 YTD
Nate has TOI 20:42 YTD, top 4 RHD are more valuable then 3C's, maybe Jets add a mid range pick.

Wasn't Schmidt twice traded for a 3rd round pick and since then his value would appear to have dropped. I think his cap hit for this season and 2 more makes his value next to nothing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I dont mind the Lowry line not scoring if they can shut down the other team's top line.

When was the last time they did that? Are they shutting down any opposition lines?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I would do the first one for sure - I think that works for the Jets in a few different ways

I doubt it works for Habs though. IF they have interest in Schmidt, they would still need an add.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Does Garland have any trade value as well, he's been scratched plenty this year.

He's been scratched once in 6 games. Same number of scratches as Stan.

Nucks have cap issues so there is that.

 

[Jet]

I doubt it works for Habs though. IF they have interest in Schmidt, they would still need an add.

Yeah I think that the Habs are going to roll young and cook their prospects - though they might be having some delusions as you know the first 5 games of the year are exactly how the rest of the season is going to go

 

[Hunter368]

Wasn't Schmidt twice traded for a 3rd round pick and since then his value would appear to have dropped. I think his cap hit for this season and 2 more makes his value next to nothing.

Dvorak was traded for a 1st & a 3rd pick.......does that make his value now a 1st & 3rd rd picks?

Nate was traded twice bc of cap reasons, not sure if he value can be judged by what he was traded for in the past anymore then Dvorak can be valued at a 1st & 3rd pick just bc he was once traded for that. Whatever the values are with GM's now, if Nate was valued a bit less Jets could add a pick/prospect.

 

[DRW204]

Maybe the Bruins 3rd line with Greer-Coyle-Smith/Frederic. They seem to come out at least even against top competition though and feast against bottom 6 comp.

The Leafs are feast or famine with regards to offensive zone starts. Their top 6 gets 100% of the Off. ZS%. Their 3rd/4th lines are thrown to the wolves.
Here's Kerfoot's all situations TOI against the Capitals where the Leafs had last change:

Without looking I'm also pretty sure that the Stars deploy whoever-Faksa-Glendening almost exclusively in defensive matchups.

dallas was heavy faksa under bowness, but w/ deboer theyve been going with benn-johnston-gurianov/dellandrea as a 3rd. faksa's line id see in similar mold as ours for sure.

kerfoot is ~0.5 PPG player, Coyle is around that range too. imo we need better players/producers in the bottom-6, notably on the 3rd line.

 

[None]

dallas was heavy faksa under bowness, but w/ deboer theyve been going with benn-johnston-gurianov/dellandrea. faksa's line id see in similar mold as ours for sure.

Yeah, by 5 on 5 TOI the Faksa-Glendening pair has been their 3rd/4th line on most nights. Their line usage is pretty even across the board though.

 

[surixon]

dallas was heavy faksa under bowness, but w/ deboer theyve been going with benn-johnston-gurianov/dellandrea as a 3rd. faksa's line id see in similar mold as ours for sure.

kerfoot is ~0.5 PPG player, Coyle is around that range too. imo we need better players/producers in the bottom-6, notably on the 3rd line.

Yup this org needs to stop trying to force a third line around Lowry and do waht every good team is doing now and build a third line that can chip in offensively.

This would require having to make trades to get more forward talent though and redeployment Lowry to 4C

 

[Bigfish]

Yup this org needs to stop trying to force a third line around Lowry and do waht every good team is doing now and build a third line that can chip in offensively.

This would require having to make trades to get more forward talent though and redeployment Lowry to 4C

I'd like to see Eyssimont, Baron and Gagner as a third line. I think Baron has some offensive upside that is being wasted playing with Lowry. Eyssimont is great on the forecheck. Not sure why he hasn't been givien an opportunity.

 

[KingBogo]

Dvorak was traded for a 1st & a 3rd pick.......does that make his value now a 1st & 3rd rd picks?

Nate was traded twice bc of cap reasons, not sure if he value can be judged by what he was traded for in the past anymore then Dvorak can be valued at a 1st & 3rd pick just bc he was once traded for that. Whatever the values are with GM's now, if Nate was valued a bit less Jets could add a pick/prospect.

I think Nate is valued very lowly due to his cap hit. Not sure what his value is now, but I would guess it is between a 3rd round pick and a give away. Dvorak's value may have dropped from a 1st and a 3rd, but if you add to Schmidt, what you will add will have more value to another team than him for cap reasons, just as he was moved for cap reasons previously.

 

[surixon]

I'd like to see Eyssimont, Baron and Gagner as a third line. I think Baron has some offensive upside that is being wasted playing with Lowry. Eyssimont is great on the forecheck. Not sure why he hasn't been givien an opportunity.

I think we need to set our sights much higher then decent mid 20's AHL players to fix this issue. I like Mike but he's a tweener and we need a legit and proven middle 6 NHL talent or two.