Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[Daximus]

if you want to clear cap the easy start is the D which is the most expensive group in the league behind Boston, and it certainly doesn't perform like it.

id like schmaltz, but removing someone from the top-6 to insert schmaltz does not help us that much this year. it doesn't address what's been a weakness for nearly 40 games.

Yeah I was just piggy backing off the Ehlers comment but I'm just as fine moving Pionk.

We could swing some kind of deal with Arizona for Schmaltz+Bjugstad and then another with Philly for Sanheim.
Stanley, Pionk and Kuhlman out.

Connor - Scheif - Schmaltz
Nino - PLD - Ehlers
Barron - Lowry - Wheeler
Manny - Bjugstad - Stenlund
Gus, Apples

Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Sanheim
Samberg - Schmidt
Capob

Or something to that effect looks pretty solid to me.

 

[Jets 31]

You guys are really pissing @Mortimer Snerd off right now with all these posts he has to get through already today.

 

[Buffdog]

So then we move Pionk. I really don't care who we move just that we clear the little over $5m in cap to do it.

Is it really that easy to move somebody who has term?

I think one of the reasons we see so few mid-season (and even out of season) trades period is because it's very difficult to do a deal like that in the cap era

Clearing 5M in cap is going to cost you

 

[Daximus]

Is it really that easy to move somebody who has term?

I think one of the reasons we see so few mid-season (and even out of season) trades period is because it's very difficult to do a deal like that in the cap era

Clearing 5M in cap is going to cost you

It wouldn't be easy at all but it would definitely be fun. Pionk would likely have to go back to Philly in that kind of deal.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah I was just piggy backing off the Ehlers comment but I'm just as fine moving Pionk.

We could swing some kind of deal with Arizona for Schmaltz+Bjugstad and then another with Philly for Sanheim.
Stanley, Pionk and Kuhlman out.

Connor - Scheif - Schmaltz
Nino - PLD - Ehlers
Barron - Lowry - Wheeler
Manny - Bjugstad - Stenlund

Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Sanheim
Samberg - Schmidt

Or something to that effect looks pretty solid to me.

The problem is I don't think there would be much of a market for Pionk. If you are trading with Arizona Pionk would be treated as a cap dump and you would have to add for them just to take him and then you would start the negotiations on Schmaltz. I don't think it would be much different in Philly.

 

[Huffer]

So then we move Pionk. I really don't care who we move just that we clear the little over $5m in cap to do it.

Exactly, but that's a massive, fundamental difference than throwing around Ehlers name.

We already have an expensive D, so if we're adding to the D, IMO we need to subtract from there. Spending assets that should be used to help up front to add to the D, and then sit Samberg and keep playing Pionk makes no sense IMO. If they want to add to the D, they should be looking to move Pionk first.

What I floated earlier about Chcyrun was moving him to the Sens. But he could have moved to say the Canucks for what they traded for Hronek. And then you use those pieces and maybe add a bit for Sanheim (or Chychrun in the other example). Then the D is actually improved, the overall cap hit of the D isn't even more out of whack, and the Jets have pieces they can move to help up front. And keep Ehlers because we need to add upfront, not shuffle.

 

[BigZ65]

Disagree, but we’ll have to see.

Cole is a very smart, talented and driven player. If any kid was going to make himself into an NHL centre by sheer force of will, then he’s the one to do it.

But we’ll see. They tried with Roslo, who had some of the tools but maybe lacked the toolbox. Why wouldn’t they give Cole a shot?

I also think the game is changing a bit, and the possibility for a small centre with supporting wings may be more plausible going forward.

Small isn’t the issue. The skating is.

 

[tbcwpg]

 

[Daximus]

The problem is I don't think there would be much of a market for Pionk. If you are trading with Arizona Pionk would be treated as a cap dump and you would have to add for them just to take him and then you would start the negotiations on Schmaltz. I don't think it would be much different in Philly.

Yeah it makes it tough though Pionk at least just slots in for the hole Sanheim leaves so a bit easier justifying that deal there.

 

[Jets 31]

The problem is I don't think there would be much of a market for Pionk. If you are trading with Arizona Pionk would be treated as a cap dump and you would have to add for them just to take him and then you would start the negotiations on Schmaltz. I don't think it would be much different in Philly.

They can have Schmidt and Pionk on a 2 for 1 Winnipeg sale.

 

[KingBogo]

They can have Schmidt and Pionk on a 2 for 1 Winnipeg sale.

We'd have to give them our 1st round picks for the next decade for them to do that.

 

[BigZ65]

I don't know about that , if Scheifele could become a better skater i think Perfetti could too. Perfetti definitely seems like a guy that will continually work at getting better.

I don’t doubt he’ll work at it and keep getting better…but the ceiling on where he can get as a skater won’t be the same as a guy who is 6’3 who just had to learn balance and how to conserve his stride. Perfetti doesn’t have the gear to find to kill Jake Evans as a blatant example.

 

[Huffer]

Yeah I was just piggy backing off the Ehlers comment but I'm just as fine moving Pionk.

We could swing some kind of deal with Arizona for Schmaltz+Bjugstad and then another with Philly for Sanheim.
Stanley, Pionk and Kuhlman out.

Connor - Scheif - Schmaltz
Nino - PLD - Ehlers
Barron - Lowry - Wheeler
Manny - Bjugstad - Stenlund
Gus, Apples

Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Sanheim
Samberg - Schmidt
Capob

Or something to that effect looks pretty solid to me.

This is what I was proposing earlier in regards to Chychrun. We'd need to move out Pionk (to clear room in the D both positionally and cap wise), and use those assets plus some of our own to end up with Chychrun (now say a guy like Sanheim) and Schmaltz. Forwards are improved because we didn't subtract up front, and the D is improved because we've replaced Pionk.

 

[surixon]

Perfetti at centre is scary as hell to me. Don’t see his skating as improved enough for that. It’s going to kill his offence as he tries to keep up defensively. As much as we struggle in transition with Schiefele and Dubois and generally with say the Avs top 6 and many other teams…Perfetti in that role is hard to see as anything but an unmitigated disaster.

As I said him being able to improve his footspeed is a requirement. But I disagree with most of this. Perfetti is already one of our best transition players in our end. He is often down low helping our d retrieve the puck and is probably the best forward on the team at presenting himself to the D for easy relief passing options. Him being down low more then our other wingers hasn't at all hurt his ability to keep up with the play. Jets are also not a fast break transition team and more of a reload team so speed isn't as much a factor in our nz attack anyhow.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah it makes it tough though Pionk at least just slots in for the hole Sanheim leaves so a bit easier justifying that deal there.

Pionk also has an actual salary of $7.5 M next season. Arizona would much prefer just about any player other than Pionk. I would guess they wouldn't accept anything less than a 1st round pick to take on Pionk's salary, and even then we would need to retain. Doubt Philly has much appetite for it either.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Some will disagree but this another example of dubious management conduct in terms of what you divulge to the media. Very seldom is it a good idea to single out a specific player on promises made between Gm and player. If for whatever reason Chechryn doesn't fit in OTT, now your potentially directing blame (fair or not) to yourself and/or a veteran player. First part of his statement is fine.

 

[KingBogo]

This is what I was proposing earlier in regards to Chychrun. We'd need to move out Pionk (to clear room in the D both positionally and cap wise), and use those assets plus some of our own to end up with Chychrun (now say a guy like Sanheim) and Schmaltz. Forwards are improved because we didn't subtract up front, and the D is improved because we've replaced Pionk.

Problem is with Pionk's cap hit, rising salary and years of term there is little to no market for him.

 

[voyageur]

Yeah I was just piggy backing off the Ehlers comment but I'm just as fine moving Pionk.

We could swing some kind of deal with Arizona for Schmaltz+Bjugstad and then another with Philly for Sanheim.
Stanley, Pionk and Kuhlman out.

Connor - Scheif - Schmaltz
Nino - PLD - Ehlers
Barron - Lowry - Wheeler
Manny - Bjugstad - Stenlund
Gus, Apples

Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Sanheim
Samberg - Schmidt
Capob

Or something to that effect looks pretty solid to me.

Interesting enough, but you didn't include the assets that it would take to make those moves...then you have Sanheim getting traded? Why is Sanheim getting traded after signing long term in Philly? The guy they probably want to move is Provorov but that is like inviting Satan here. Pionk doesn't fit a team that has D'Angelo and Ristolainen either.

 

[DRW204]

Perfetti at centre is scary as hell to me. Don’t see his skating as improved enough for that. It’s going to kill his offence as he tries to keep up defensively. As much as we struggle in transition with Schiefele and Dubois and generally with say the Avs top 6 and many other teams…Perfetti in that role is hard to see as anything but an unmitigated disaster.

eventually there going to have to see if he's a long-term solution at C. i've been a bit wary since he's been drafted of him being C, and it's been nearly 2 years since he's played consistent minutes there (and that came in the AHL).

another small injury prone winger doesn't do much for us. if PLD doesn't return a legitimate Center prospect, id look at moving Perfetti in a package for a legitimate top-6C for sure.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Yeah I was just piggy backing off the Ehlers comment but I'm just as fine moving Pionk.

We could swing some kind of deal with Arizona for Schmaltz+Bjugstad and then another with Philly for Sanheim.
Stanley, Pionk and Kuhlman out.

Connor - Scheif - Schmaltz
Nino - PLD - Ehlers
Barron - Lowry - Wheeler
Manny - Bjugstad - Stenlund
Gus, Apples

Morrissey - DeMelo
Dillon - Sanheim
Samberg - Schmidt
Capob

Or something to that effect looks pretty solid to me.

I'd love to move Pionk, but don't see it happening.

He's making a ton next year, has term and has been uneven to utter crap since the lockdown. Any possible suitor who did their homework would think twice at least, IMO.

 

[tbcwpg]

Some will disagree but this another example of dubious management conduct in terms of what you divulge to the media. Very seldom is it a good idea to single out a specific player on promises made between Gm and player. If for whatever reason Chechryn doesn't fit in OTT, now your potentially directing blame (fair or not) to yourself and/or a veteran player. First part of his statement is fine.

I disagree. He's not directing any blame to Giroux and people who would blame Giroux if Chychrun doesn't work in OTT probably have plenty of other bad takes in their lives.

 

[Buffdog]

Some will disagree but this another example of dubious management conduct in terms of what you divulge to the media. Very seldom is it a good idea to single out a specific player on promises made between Gm and player. If for whatever reason Chechryn doesn't fit in OTT, now your potentially directing blame (fair or not) to yourself and/or a veteran player. First part of his statement is fine.

A devil's advocate may say that by divulging that, you're sending a message to players across the league that your management group's word means something

 

[Jetsfan79]

I would be open to a hockey trade being done involving Pionk and /or Ehlers to shake things up. Return is key though. Unfortunately hockey trades are rare especially at the deadline

 

[Hunter368]

More and more I'm hoping Chevy is not out looking for rentals and doesn't want to use up his 1sts and top prospects. He is looking at remaking his roster and using the frenzy around the TD, to get players he wants and with as much term as possible. I do wonder if we see roster players moved as part of that. @Hunter368 mentioned PLD, I doubt Chevy goes that far but now would be the time to get the biggest return if you knew there was zero chance of him re-signing long term.

Agreed

I'm of course partly joking about PLD, but if I was Chevy and I got a phone call from another GM saying they are very interested in PLD and offer the right deal (a deal thats much stronger then what the Habs rumored to offer last summer and really filled some of our roster holes) I would seriously consider it. Now thats unlikely at this stage, albeit not impossible. But there are other longer term trades I would do now if I could to address our needs now and moving forward (especially if I know PLD is gone this summer).

 

[Huffer]

Problem is with Pionk's cap hit, rising salary and years of term there is little to no market for him.

Don't disagree in principle as it would likely be a longer shot to find a team that is that desperate for a D and can take on the cap.

But the point still remains. I don't see how adding to our D (without subtracting from the D) and taking up more of the cap space that we need to upgrade the true issue (forward depth) makes the Jets any better.