Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[macmaroon]

Are you a witch or a duck?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Okay I was thinking maybe a three way trade between Jets, Kings, and Sens?


Jets give up Dillon
Kings give up a good RHD.
Sens give up a forward.


Jets receive the forward.
Kings receive Dillon.
Sens receives the RHD.


Just curious what forward the Sens need to cough up for this trade to go through?

 

[Upperdeckjet]

Okay I was thinking maybe a three way trade between Jets, Kings, and Sens?


Jets give up Dillon
Kings give up a good RHD.
Sens give up a forward.


Jets receive the forward.
Kings receive Dillon.
Sens receives the RHD.


Just curious what forward the Sens need to cough up for this trade to go through?

I'm quite fond of the game that Dillon plays and the role he has on our team. Not a trade I would want to make.

 

[tbcwpg]

Okay I was thinking maybe a three way trade between Jets, Kings, and Sens?


Jets give up Dillon
Kings give up a good RHD.
Sens give up a forward.


Jets receive the forward.
Kings receive Dillon.
Sens receives the RHD.


Just curious what forward the Sens need to cough up for this trade to go through?

It's always tough to value 3 way trades. The value of the forward will depend on the RHD the Kings are giving up as well.

 

[Jet]

I'm quite fond of the game that Dillon plays and the role he has on our team. Not a trade I would want to make.

Yeah I'm not adding a forward by subtracting Dillon. I think we're starting to see the value of some of our D now that they're playing a system they can be successful in.

It is becoming increasingly evident that we are missing at least one F that can truly play up the lineup.

I'd be getting creative and trying to do a futures deal with one of these teams that's looking like they won't be competitive this year.

The guys I'd be ok moving in a 'futures' kind of deal would be Stanley, Chisholm, Gawanke, maybe even someone like Lucious. Maybe that would get us a vet with a couple of years left on a contract.

I'd also be open to trade Schmidt to a team looking for an offensive RD and retain a bit depending on who's coming back.

I have liked seeing 88 playing more of his game which really fits the aggressive style that Bowness has implemented, but I'd like to believe that Heinola could slot into the pair with Dillon and you wouldn't lose too much.

I'd even entertain trading Heinola but we'd need to get a young F who's at a similar career track as him.

 

[voyageur]

Yeah I'm not adding a forward by subtracting Dillon. I think we're starting to see the value of some of our D now that they're playing a system they can be successful in.

It is becoming increasingly evident that we are missing at least one F that can truly play up the lineup.

I'd be getting creative and trying to do a futures deal with one of these teams that's looking like they won't be competitive this year.

The guys I'd be ok moving in a 'futures' kind of deal would be Stanley, Chisholm, Gawanke, maybe even someone like Lucious. Maybe that would get us a vet with a couple of years left on a contract.

I'd also be open to trade Schmidt to a team looking for an offensive RD and retain a bit depending on who's coming back.

I have liked seeing 88 playing more of his game which really fits the aggressive style that Bowness has implemented, but I'd like to believe that Heinola could slot into the pair with Dillon and you wouldn't lose too much.

I'd even entertain trading Heinola but we'd need to get a young F who's at a similar career track as him.

I feel like the Jets have much of the bases covered with their defense. If Samberg goes down, Stanley can step up and play the PK effectively. Dillon goes down, Samberg can step up, Stanley can play the physical role. Heinola could step in for the loss of Morrissey, Pionk, or Schmidt, to some extent. De Melo would be a trickier one, I think Kovacevic was backing him up. Lundmark is probably getting closer, but I'm not sure this is his year. A 2nd year pro though may get a look, I think that's how the Jets have developed their defensemen, trying to get them ready for their 3rd pro season.

The way the team stepped up for Schmidt getting run shows that he is an integral part of the group. He's been good this year, both ends of the rink. We're getting a #3 d-man with him this year. Maybe a few more points would validate him, but he's been effective at generating offense.

The forward group is showing some signs of depth issues I agree. Appleton is the guy who has been called on to step up. I like him more than Gagner in a top 6 role, as Gagner, while a very smart player, doesn't have particularly good wheels. He knows his role is 4th line and PP. He hasn't looked bad on Lowry's line, when called upon.

Harkins and Eyssimont have both earned their promotions to get into the bottom six. But with both Ehlers out and Barron, there's some scoring that's missing. Eyssimont gave me a little bit of hope as a checking line replacement for Barron, once Ehlers comes back. Because I'm pretty sure the first move is to return Appleton back to Lowry's line.

I think both Maenalaenen and Jonsson-Fjallby are ideally 4th liners, but they've been able to step up onto Lowry's line and keep that trend going that Lowry's line isn't going to get scored on.

Let's hope that the freakish injuries to both Appleton and Harkins are short term, because the depth at forward is thin, no question. By my count the next one up is either Stenlund or Reichel, who have at least played NHL hockey. It's still better depth than last year. And there's 60 more games to work on development with Torgersson and Nikkanen, who are probably closer to promotion, and Lucius and Lambert, who need some fine tuning to become everyday pros.

If the Jets don't want to trade Heinola, and I could see a lot of reasons why they wouldn't, I'm not sure there are the means to acquire the necessary forward. It's an important role to be able to fit on a checking line, that doesn't give up goals, and chips in a few, and also play with high level skill players like Scheifele/Connor. Those guys aren't just low hanging fruit. Usually if a player comes available it's either A they can't score at the NHL level or B, they don't have the defensive awareness to play in the NHL.

Chisholm is an interesting one, because I honestly don't know what his value would be around the league. Don't think it would be all that high, as he hasn't proven himself in the NHL. Probably higher than the draft position he was taken in though.

 

[Heldig]

Dubois and Heinola to Carolina for Svechnikov.

No. Jets need the C.

 

[Jet]

No. Jets need the C.

If that deal becomes available you do it, position be damned.

Id hate to lose Dubois but Svechnikov is a special player

 

[surixon]

If that deal becomes available you do it, position be damned.

Id hate to lose Dubois but Svechnikov is a special player

I mean why would the Canes even consider it. Dubois has one year left and the last thing the Canes need is dmen, they are stacked at that position.

 

[Jet]

I mean why would the Canes even consider it. Dubois has one year left and the last thing the Canes need is dmen, they are stacked at that position.

I mean exactly.

I'd still jump at it if their GM got really drunk and made the call

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Toronto getting desperate for dmen. Likely get their first round exit first round pick.

 

[JetsFan815]

Toronto getting desperate for dmen. Likely get their first round exit first round pick.

I would not wanna help out Toronto. They don't even have any forward depth anymore that they can trade to us.

 

[Thechozen1]

If the Jets trade him this summer and its to the Habs, you are correct they either have a few good young players/prospects or nothing but trash. Again purely using your agenda of only to the Habs, we can assume none of those top prospects/young players would be included in a return. The only player IMO that has any value on that team outside of those young players is Dvorak and after this year he will have two years left on his contract vs PLD one year of team control. So Dvorak+ a decent but not great prospect (B level prospect, like Farrell, Roy, Beck, Kidney). People will rage, but Dvorak is a good 3C & great at FO's and those prospects are ok, not super exciting but ok, Chevy might also push for a mid range pick also. Small market teams operate at a disadvantage retaining players often.

Trouba returned a 1st rd and Pionk, at that time Pionk was not well thought of or liked by the Rangers. IMO Dvorak (2 years control) plus mid range (3rd - 4th rd pick) pick & one of those prospects I listed above is about similar value. Positive to it is let the Habs pay PLD 8.5-9.5 million per year after next season, frees up our cap. Of course the Habs could wait 1.5 years and then sign him as a UFA, but thats a big risk, bc we all seen players get lured by big money offered by other teams in the past.

That being said I don't buy into the idea Habs are the highest offer if PLD was traded this summer without some serious offers from other teams in need of a center.

If the Rangers fail to advance past round 2 again this spring I can see them trying to retool and Dubois would fit their timeline.

 

[Heldig]

If that deal becomes available you do it, position be damned.

Id hate to lose Dubois but Svechnikov is a special player

For starters, Carolina would not do that deal.

As good as Svechnikoff is, the Jets simply cant downgrade the C position IMO.

 

[DRW204]

For starters, Carolina would not do that deal.

As good as Svechnikoff is, the Jets simply cant downgrade the C position IMO.

long-term: if he is not willing to sign here, A. Svechnikov would be a tremendous coup for PLD. Not many teams would rival a set of wingers of svech, connor, ehlers, and then perfetti. Svech replaces some of the size and physicality aspect where i think we would be missing if we trade PLD, and is already a superior goal and point producer.

we would def need to find a serviceable 2C though, but given that wing talent, we might not need a super high end one? But if PLD is not signing here long term, getting a young, elite winger already on a long-term deal would be a great addition for us.

however, CAR wouldn't do that deal though imo.

I doubt the Jets trade PLD this season at all unless they severely fall off by TDL comes around.

 

[Jet]

For starters, Carolina would not do that deal.

As good as Svechnikoff is, the Jets simply cant downgrade the C position IMO.

I know they wouldn't

Yes we could.

Would anyone here pass that deal up?

A Svechnikov for Dubie and Stanley?

 

[RustyCat]

I really hope PLD sticks around. To me, he is a Getzlaf-lite type of player and can really accompany a diverse range of winger styles. That is hard to find and given the Jets offensive options, I really think he can do something special here.

It would be really fun watching him with Perfetti and Lambert, if Big Bad Brad can find his game in the NHL level some day.

 

[Jet]

I really hope PLD sticks around. To me, he is a Getzlaf-lite type of player and can really accompany a diverse range of winger styles. That is hard to find and given the Jets offensive options, I really think he can do something special here.

It would be really fun watching him with Perfetti and Lambert, if Big Bad Brad can find his game in the NHL level some day.

I really think it's not if but when for Lambert. He just has elite skill in key areas and his deficiencies can be mitigated with coaching

 

[Huffer]

I would not wanna help out Toronto. They don't even have any forward depth anymore that they can trade to us.

There isn't anything on the roster that I think fits either. Only forward I'd likely be interested in is Knies.

If the Rangers fail to advance past round 2 again this spring I can see them trying to retool and Dubois would fit their timeline.

Agreed, which is why I think some folks pretending like Montreal is the only option and resigning ourselves to some sort of crap return is pre-mature.

 

[JetsFan815]

I'm quite fond of the game that Dillon plays and the role he has on our team. Not a trade I would want to make.

Same... I'd rather move one of Pionk/Schmidt. The only way I move Dillon is if the team looks like it is missing the playoffs or otherwise look like an easy 1st round exit. Jets don't have a lot of what Dillon brings to the table while they have a lot of Pionk/Schmidt/Heinola type D.

 

[DRW204]

If the Rangers fail to advance past round 2 again this spring I can see them trying to retool and Dubois would fit their timeline.

i dont think the rangers will blow it up, retool or whatever you want to call it just off 1 year.

who are they rangers trading out elsewhere, & for what? they have 2 top-6Cs at a combined 14M for the next 5+ years. they arent moving Zibanjead, & Trocheck was just signed.... if they do move out trochek, and bringing in PLD they're adding 2-2.5m on the cap (+whatever they receive/spend in trade chips), while probably not gaining much more in production. i think the rangers are set. then there's the question if PLD is actually willing to sign long-term there.

 

[Hunter368]

If the Rangers fail to advance past round 2 again this spring I can see them trying to retool and Dubois would fit their timeline.

PLD would be a great fit to many teams, but that wasn't the premise from the poster I quoted, he said if PLD traded to the Habs and Habs only. It was a fictional trade to one team only, not unlike Trouba trade where the player was rumored to only resign with one team the Rangers. We all know what PLD and his agent have said, time will tell how it unfolds.

- If PLD resigns here, great.

- If PLD refuses to sign for more than one more year this summer. If the Jets are in a playoff push this year and next, that likely stops all TDL trades involving PLD. That means he likely gets traded this summer or walks to UFA during the summer of 2024 IMO.

- If PLD forces his way out and publicly says he will only resign long term with the Habs that hurts his return. Some will be disappointed by his return, like they were with Trouba and some will be fine with the return just like Trouba.

- If the Jets are in a playoff hunt, like they currently are PLD won't be traded this season. Chevy won't let it go into next season IMO, PLD will be resigned long term with the Jets or be traded this summer 2023.

IMO, not all will agree......but my opinion is based on actual history and Chevy's previous actions in a very similar situation and not just on personal opinion. Time will tell

 

[KingBogo]

Same... I'd rather move one of Pionk/Schmidt. The only way I move Dillon is if the team looks like it is missing the playoffs or otherwise look like an easy 1st round exit. Jets don't have a lot of what Dillon brings to the table while they have a lot of Pionk/Schmidt/Heinola type D.

Teams never think they are an easy first round exit. Once a team is in the playoffs it is a universal refrain that it is a new season and everyone needs to win 16 games.

I really think it's not if but when for Lambert. He just has elite skill in key areas and his deficiencies can be mitigated with coaching

Coaching and buy in on the player’s part.

 

[Weezeric]

i dont think the rangers will blow it up, retool or whatever you want to call it just off 1 year.

who are they rangers trading out elsewhere, & for what? they have 2 top-6Cs at a combined 14M for the next 5+ years. they arent moving Zibanjead, & Trocheck was just signed.... if they do move out trochek, and bringing in PLD they're adding 2-2.5m on the cap (+whatever they receive/spend in trade chips), while probably not gaining much more in production. i think the rangers are set. then there's the question if PLD is actually willing to sign long-term there.

If they sign PLD for 8M thats three good centres for 22M, less than what the Leafs are paying for two..

 

[RabidOne]

Ah yes the fun with aggregate numbers so early in the season when the sample size is not statically significant.

First two games the Jets saw off the expected goals and come out with 1 win and one loss.

They then steal a win against Colorado in which they get crushed in expected goals.

They then get crushed in expected goals and amd lose to Vegas

They slightly get beat by TO in that metric and lose to the Leafs.

They won the expected goal battle and beat the Blues.

They get crushed by the Kings and Helle steals the game.

We crush the Coyotes and win the game

They get crushed by the Knights and lose the game.

We crush each of our last three games and win each game.

Really Helle has only stolen us 2 of our 8 wins. We have been full marks for the other wins.

So the Athletic jumping in on aggregate values to talk about a team this early in the year isn't adding much value given this team has won their matchups more games then its lost their matchups.

Guy writing for the Athletic doesnt like the Jets and tries to use numbers to justify why? Colour me surprised!