Trade, FA and Rumours 2022/23

[Huffer]

I like Horvat, but the cost to get him and contract uncertainly would have to be all addressed beforehand (which is very tough). No chance Jets give up a 1st, a good prospect & mid ranged pick (just rough values) for a rental who they lose in a matter of weeks.

Agreed. If the team knows that PLD is gone after this season I would be asking if I was Chevy. But like you said, no way I'm trading assets if he's not going to extend, and I don't think Horvat's camp is going to sign now, guessing they wait until FA and get all the offers.

Also depends if the Jets also think (and want) they can get Scheifele and Helle signed. If you lose those 3 and get mostly picks and prospects back, does getting Horvat make sense, or do you just embrace a youth movement at that point.

 

[RabidOne]

TBH I wouldn't of signed if I was PLD this past summer or this summer either (barring a great offer long term).......knowing I was coming off a not great year last year and knowing the NHL cap is moving up fairly significantly shortly. I would drag this to my UFA contract also and then get my big cash payday. People will say but, what if you get hurt before signing........thats why players buy insurance on themselves. I had a family member who used to be in the insurance business and sold insurance to NHL players. For me it would be nothing to do with Jets vs Habs or any other team...........its about money. That being said I have the ability to live anywhere I want and you couldn't pay me to live in Montreal or QC as a player or non-player. For me, Montreal is a place you visit once, purely from a historical POV and never go back. Everyone is different

Interesting. Please expand.
I have never been, not sure if I ever will.

 

[RabidOne]

No interest in Horvat. He is a decent 2/3c, but he is on a historic start in a contract year. He is literally Brian Little without the defence: he cant pk to save his life.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Horvat for Heinola might make sense. I'd add if extension agreed upon then you sign one of 55 or Dubois longterm and trade the other. Solid 1 2 center spot for years

 

[KingBogo]

Horvat for Heinola might make sense. I'd add if extension agreed upon then you sign one of 55 or Dubois longterm and trade the other. Solid 1 2 center spot for years

2 points. If Horvat is signed long term Heinola is the add to a bigger piece. And why would Horvat commit long term to the Jets over going to the open market where he can maximize his contract and pick his landing spot?

 

[bumblebeeman]

Interesting. Please expand.
I have never been, not sure if I ever will.

I live in MTL and love it, and most of my friends here love it. Maybe OP had some sort of bad experience when they visited. If I was looking for places to travel maybe I wouldn't go to MTL more than once, but for a place to live it's top notch imo

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I live in MTL and love it, and most of my friends here love it. Maybe OP had some sort of bad experience when they visited. If I was looking for places to travel maybe I wouldn't go to MTL more than once, but for a place to live it's top notch imo

Yes, Montreal is a world-class cosmopolitan city full of fantastic museums, art galleries and fascinating architecture. It's the true festival capital of Canada as well. I haven't been back to Montreal in over a decade but I would go back there several times if I could.

 

[Hunter368]

Agreed. If the team knows that PLD is gone after this season I would be asking if I was Chevy. But like you said, no way I'm trading assets if he's not going to extend, and I don't think Horvat's camp is going to sign now, guessing they wait until FA and get all the offers.

Also depends if the Jets also think (and want) they can get Scheifele and Helle signed. If you lose those 3 and get mostly picks and prospects back, does getting Horvat make sense, or do you just embrace a youth movement at that point.

Agreed



@RabidOne OT, so I’ll keep it very short

Architecturally & historically it’s great to see and worth a visit as I mentioned. Politically & culturally I have zero interest in living in QC, I’ll leave it at that. I don’t want this thread to go off topic discussing politics.

 

[Jack7222]

TBH I wouldn't of signed if I was PLD this past summer or this summer either (barring a great offer long term).......knowing I was coming off a not great year last year and knowing the NHL cap is moving up fairly significantly shortly. I would drag this to my UFA contract also and then get my big cash payday. People will say but, what if you get hurt before signing........thats why players buy insurance on themselves. I had a family member who used to be in the insurance business and sold insurance to NHL players. For me it would be nothing to do with Jets vs Habs or any other team...........its about money. That being said I have the ability to live anywhere I want and you couldn't pay me to live in Montreal or QC as a player or non-player. For me, Montreal is a place you visit once, purely from a historical POV and never go back. Everyone is different

Really? Montreal is my favourite city in Canada by far.

 

[Hunter368]

Really? Montreal is my favourite city in Canada by far.

That’s cool, I never spoke for anyone I said for me it’s zero interest

 

[snowkiddin]

Didn’t PLD’s agent say he would like to play in Montreal? Whether or not we like visiting/living Montreal doesn’t matter, why is it even being brought up

 

[DRW204]

Really? Montreal is my favourite city in Canada by far.

Agreed. Haven't been since pre-pandemic but MTL is awesome. The night life between there and winnipeg its not even comparable. Perhaps some boomers don't like it, but if you're young and affluent, MTL is a crazy good time.

 

[Upperdeckjet]

Didn’t PLD’s agent say he would like to play in Montreal? Whether or not we like visiting/living Montreal doesn’t matter, why is it even being brought up

I'm trying to remember, did PLD ever directly address the fact his agent made those comments? I don't recall that PLD ever denied or confirmed what was said.

On the other hand, if his agent is using every pressure point in his arsenal to maximize his clients next contract, well, PLD would be silly to publicly contradict him.

I'm also in agreement with a posting above in that if I were PLD, I wouldn't have committed long term to the Jets either. There was way too much turmoil at the end of last season.

 

[DRW204]

I'm trying to remember, did PLD ever directly address the fact his agent made those comments? I don't recall that PLD ever denied or confirmed what was said.

On the other hand, if his agent is using every pressure point in his arsenal to maximize his clients next contract, well, PLD would be silly to publicly contradict him.

I'm also in agreement with a posting above in that if I were PLD, I wouldn't have committed long term to the Jets either. There was way too much turmoil at the end of last season.

Yeah he had that interview from what It looked like was some basement around the time he accepted his QO.

 

[RabidOne]

Agreed



@RabidOne OT, so I’ll keep it very short

Architecturally & historically it’s great to see and worth a visit as I mentioned. Politically & culturally I have zero interest in living in QC, I’ll leave it at that. I don’t want this thread to go off topic discussing politics.

I hear ya,
go Jets, fire Maurice, trade em all, burn it down!
Is that back on topic?

 

[bumblebeeman]

Ok, so if Dubois insists on going UFA asap to sign with Montreal. Trade him for a 1st + at the draft and flip it to Ottawa for Debrincat, who seems like he might be available and is also a RFA this year. Dubois and Debrincat are obviously super different players, but if the Jets lose Dubois getting a top 6 forward back is essential I think. Hopefully Perfetti could slide over to center and the Jets could roll something like:

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Debrincat - Perfetti - Wheeler

 

[tbcwpg]

Ok, so if Dubois insists on going UFA asap to sign with Montreal. Trade him for a 1st + at the draft and flip it to Ottawa for Debrincat, who seems like he might be available and is also a RFA this year. Dubois and Debrincat are obviously super different players, but if the Jets lose Dubois getting a top 6 forward back is essential I think. Hopefully Perfetti could slide over to center and the Jets could roll something like:

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Debrincat - Perfetti - Wheeler

Debrincat is only available if he tells Ottawa he's pulling a Dubois and leaving ASAP.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Debrincat is only available if he tells Ottawa he's pulling a Dubois and leaving ASAP.

Stranger things have happened

 

[voyageur]

You also have Lucuis learning the Center role in the AHL this year as well. So if you do move PLD in the off season for futures

UFA maybe you convince Jonny Toews to play in Winnipeg a season but the chances of us getting a quality UFA are unrealistic

I just wonder what the time frame is for all our young players. I think more and more Chevy specifically drafts to fill holes. Do you think Mc Groarty could be ready in 2 years, because that would give the chance to keep Dubois as an own rental, or if the Jets aren't in contention a trade deadline move? Which honestly has more value than a draft move, because I don't think teams will be lining up to trade for Dubois at the draft if they know he won't re-sign. And if he and Brisson are being honest about playing in Montreal it sure seems like a Trouba return is coming back if they decide to trade him. I think that Chevy drafted Mc Groarty specifically because Dubois made it known he was going to hit the free agent market, and I think you want a power forward to play alongside a skilled player like Cole Perfetti. Seems like either of them could end up as a centre.

By a lot of accounts Lucius is also looking like a 2 year project from here out. Do the Jets go to the wire with Wheeler in that case? Further down the line I could see Torgersson-Gustafsson-Lambert being a real dynamo line.

Scheifele is the one I wonder about the most. He hasn't said anything since his criticism of the organization on his exit meeting last year. Seems to be happier. Do the Jets go to the bank for him, because it's really hard to see the organization letting their 2 top centres walk, they are going to need some prospects and draft picks to restock. And that smells rebuild all the way.

Hellebuyck's the other intriguing one. Finding a starting goalie isn't that hard, because it's a limited position, if you are not a starting goalie, you probably want to play anywhere you can, to get a good contract. Finding an elite starting goalie however is not something that's an easy task.

Would the Jets go to the end with Hellebuyck to keep that 2 year window alive? What's the confidence level to maybe have a tandem goaltending situation in the future, if Hellebuyck chooses to cash in on the free agent market, with Salminen getting promoted?

 

[GaryPoppins]

wonder if there would be any interest in bringing in Kapanen.

3.2M for a year after this. Would really round out our middle six and allow for a top 6 fill in a pinch. Price likely not a lot.

 

[surixon]

2 points. If Horvat is signed long term Heinola is the add to a bigger piece. And why would Horvat commit long term to the Jets over going to the open market where he can maximize his contract and pick his landing spot?

I'm also of the opinion we don't have what they'd want. They have Hughes and OEL taking the top 2 LD spots at a roughly 15 million cap hit for the next 4 years. They have a number of depth prospects or can easily acquire a third pair LD. So Ville is likely out as the main support piece.

They will likely be looking for an impact young RD for Bo as their right side is incredibly weak.

 

[surixon]

I just wonder what the time frame is for all our young players. I think more and more Chevy specifically drafts to fill holes. Do you think Mc Groarty could be ready in 2 years, because that would give the chance to keep Dubois as an own rental, or if the Jets aren't in contention a trade deadline move? Which honestly has more value than a draft move, because I don't think teams will be lining up to trade for Dubois at the draft if they know he won't re-sign. And if he and Brisson are being honest about playing in Montreal it sure seems like a Trouba return is coming back if they decide to trade him. I think that Chevy drafted Mc Groarty specifically because Dubois made it known he was going to hit the free agent market, and I think you want a power forward to play alongside a skilled player like Cole Perfetti. Seems like either of them could end up as a centre.

By a lot of accounts Lucius is also looking like a 2 year project from here out. Do the Jets go to the wire with Wheeler in that case? Further down the line I could see Torgersson-Gustafsson-Lambert being a real dynamo line.

Scheifele is the one I wonder about the most. He hasn't said anything since his criticism of the organization on his exit meeting last year. Seems to be happier. Do the Jets go to the bank for him, because it's really hard to see the organization letting their 2 top centres walk, they are going to need some prospects and draft picks to restock. And that smells rebuild all the way.

Hellebuyck's the other intriguing one. Finding a starting goalie isn't that hard, because it's a limited position, if you are not a starting goalie, you probably want to play anywhere you can, to get a good contract. Finding an elite starting goalie however is not something that's an easy task.

Would the Jets go to the end with Hellebuyck to keep that 2 year window alive? What's the confidence level to maybe have a tandem goaltending situation in the future, if Hellebuyck chooses to cash in on the free agent market, with Salminen getting promoted?

Good post. I think counting on any of our top forward prospects to be ready to carry the load as a 1B center in two years is very wishful thinking. It could happen but I wouldn't be banking on it it I were Chevy.

I think they either get Dubois for 3 years or they transition to Cole next year and live with the growing pains. He's the closest to ready to play the position successfuly that we will have at that time.

The.org really can't afford to let any of Scheifele, Dubois, Helle walk for nothing. I think they can get Mark to stay, Helle I'm not sure about.

 

[ERYX]

Really? Montreal is my favourite city in Canada by far.

As @Hunter368 wrote:

Everyone is different

So, yeah, to each their own. Personally I'm with Hunter, Montreal not my cup of tea at all. In terms of Quebec I much preferred Quebec City especially the old city.

 

[DRW204]

Ok, so if Dubois insists on going UFA asap to sign with Montreal. Trade him for a 1st + at the draft and flip it to Ottawa for Debrincat, who seems like he might be available and is also a RFA this year. Dubois and Debrincat are obviously super different players, but if the Jets lose Dubois getting a top 6 forward back is essential I think. Hopefully Perfetti could slide over to center and the Jets could roll something like:

Connor - Scheifele - Ehlers
Debrincat - Perfetti - Wheeler

so why does ottawa do that? is PLD more likely to sign long-term in Ottawa?

 

[bumblebeeman]

so why does ottawa do that? is PLD more likely to sign long-term in Ottawa?

I didn't say PLD to Ottawa, but flip his return for Debrincat