Speculation: Trade Deadline

[Striiker]

My favorite example is, and may always be, Paul Gaustad garnering a 1st round pick.

The corpse of Timonen got two 2nds too.

 

[AdamParrot]

I'd rather rather keep Gudas too.

Move Hagg!

And Simmonds to Edmonton! For package like Pool + Talbot or something comparable. Chia is an idiot. Do it Chuck!

 

[Bigkarl]

I'd rather rather keep Gudas too.

Move Hagg!

And Simmonds to Edmonton! For package like Pool + Talbot or something comparable. Chia is an idiot. Do it Chuck!

That would be a horrendous return for Simmonds.

 

[46zone]

Gudas is worth more to this team than a late 1st round pick, who likely wouldn't sniff the lineup for 3-4 years.

 

[Les Averman]

Whoa! I thought he had one more year. This makes it all the better.

I'd rather have him for another year. Fletcher already said he wants a reliable vet to back up/pair with Hart next year. If we could bring in a guy of Talbot's quality to pair with him for another year, I'd be all for it. Realistically, based on Fletcher's comments, it seems pretty clear that Stolie/Lyon will not be those guys. Elliott and Neuvy are as good as gone, so it's either taking your chances in FA or offseason trade if we acquire an expiring contract.

 

[TheKingPin]

If gudas could get a first + id do it now. Mostly because I don’t see him having a spot by the end of next year anyway. And I see his current value as under that. If he has that value, Simmonds should get a 1st plus A prospect. Maybe even more, IMO anyway.

If the leafs are down on Nylander I’d love to get him for gudas and Simmonds. Ideally Hagg and Simmonds in the event that they think Hagg can be a top 3 guy. Never know. Gudas is more of a known. Full court press!

 

[AdamParrot]

That would be a horrendous return for Simmonds.

Horrendous? Really?

Like Forsberg for Erat? TOP Prospect for rental?

Oh, OK...

 

[deadhead]

Fletcher would take a 1st rd pick as a trade asset, not to actually use.
Given the Flyers will probably draft 10th and 41st at worse, a #25 pick has more value to them as trade bait.

But if you can add a 1st, a 2nd and maybe a couple mid-round picks along with the 10 picks they already have, and the second tier prospects they can throw into a deal, Fletcher can land a couple starters and still have 9-10 draft picks this summer and not touch the top half dozen prospects in the system.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'd rather have Gudas next season then a late first rounder that might bust.

I have always been pro-Gudas, but I would take a 1st for him. It's time to get Myers in the NHL lineup, and Morin has to be on the NHL roster.

 

[landsbergfan]

Horrendous? Really?

Like Forsberg for Erat? TOP Prospect for rental?

Oh, OK...

I think that has made McPhee a bit hesitant to deal some of his top prospects (he did trade Suzuki to MTL). Fletcher seems to have learned his lesson about Leddy. A lot of these guys recognize that it isn't worth giving up a prospect like that for a cup run.

Then you have Chiarelli...

 

[AdamParrot]

I think that has made McPhee a bit hesitant to deal some of his top prospects (he did trade Suzuki to MTL). Fletcher seems to have learned his lesson about Leddy. A lot of these guys recognize that it isn't worth giving up a prospect like that for a cup run.

Then you have Chiarelli...

This.

That's why I believe in Pool for Simmer.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I think that has made McPhee a bit hesitant to deal some of his top prospects (he did trade Suzuki to MTL). Fletcher seems to have learned his lesson about Leddy. A lot of these guys recognize that it isn't worth giving up a prospect like that for a cup run.

Then you have Chiarelli...

I still disagree with that (both the statement and the idea behind the statement). You should always be looking to improve your team and if you are playoff team that can add a big piece, even at the cost of a top prospect, you have to do it. There has always been this idea around here that prospects are more valuable than current NHL players because there is a chance that they will be better than the NHL player a few years down the road. Certainly possible for that to happen but just as possible (if not moreso) that the prospect is as good or worse than the NHL player you are acquiring. That's not to suggest that all prospects should be traded for veteran rentals...they shouldn't. But if you are a team that is in the playoffs and you have a young guy that maybe is not making an impact this year and you can get someone you think will make an impact and put your team over the top, you are insane to think "no we shouldn't do that because in a couple years this player may be better" because I would bet dollars to donuts a couple years down the road you will be thinking, "damn we were close in 2019, if only we had another piece or two that could have put us over the top" and not "glad we didn't trade that prospect, now we have a chance to win a Cup in a couple years!"

There are obviously bad deals (Forsberg for Erat being one of the most glaring). But can you think of any others? The list is probably not that long. I would bet there are at least a similar number of trades where the prospect didn't turn out the way the other team wanted than there are ones where the prospect made the original team look bad. And again, not suggesting that every year every team should trade all their prospects for veteran rentals. But if you are a playoff team and you can get a player you think puts you over the top, you are a bad GM if you decide to hang on to a player because he MIGHT be better down the road (with obvious exceptions...no one is suggesting that Toronto should trade Nyalnder for Martin Erat).

 

[Ruck Over]

Wouldn't even buy him out unless we really need the cap space

If Fletcher is responsible enough to bury him in the AHL, buying him out would be unnecessary. If Fletcher is honest with himself, and would carry AMac on the NHL roster, buying him out is the absolute best thing to do.

My ex and her rich ass family live there. No thanks. That city is all glam and business type folk. Maybe I got the wrong feel or am just jaded.

I had an en ex, who became an ex, because she moved to Calgary.

But yeah, you may be jaded, what with the ex being the lead intro to your statement.

 

[wuf]

We're not trading Ghost.

We're trading Simmer and Gudas. Nobody will take Weise or Amac. Amac should be bought out.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

We're not trading Ghost.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

 

[landsbergfan]

I still disagree with that (both the statement and the idea behind the statement). You should always be looking to improve your team and if you are playoff team that can add a big piece, even at the cost of a top prospect, you have to do it. There has always been this idea around here that prospects are more valuable than current NHL players because there is a chance that they will be better than the NHL player a few years down the road. Certainly possible for that to happen but just as possible (if not moreso) that the prospect is as good or worse than the NHL player you are acquiring. That's not to suggest that all prospects should be traded for veteran rentals...they shouldn't. But if you are a team that is in the playoffs and you have a young guy that maybe is not making an impact this year and you can get someone you think will make an impact and put your team over the top, you are insane to think "no we shouldn't do that because in a couple years this player may be better" because I would bet dollars to donuts a couple years down the road you will be thinking, "damn we were close in 2019, if only we had another piece or two that could have put us over the top" and not "glad we didn't trade that prospect, now we have a chance to win a Cup in a couple years!"

There are obviously bad deals (Forsberg for Erat being one of the most glaring). But can you think of any others? The list is probably not that long. I would bet there are at least a similar number of trades where the prospect didn't turn out the way the other team wanted than there are ones where the prospect made the original team look bad. And again, not suggesting that every year every team should trade all their prospects for veteran rentals. But if you are a playoff team and you can get a player you think puts you over the top, you are a bad GM if you decide to hang on to a player because he MIGHT be better down the road (with obvious exceptions...no one is suggesting that Toronto should trade Nyalnder for Martin Erat).

a bit TLR there

It is a different time than it used to be. Draft picks, prospects, and young players are far more important than they ever have been due to the CBA. It is a judgement call, because you never know just how much of an impact a guy you acquire at the deadline will have. There are prospects that were traded for rentals that never amounted to anything but there are also plenty of rentals that never made an impact. The best team doesn't always win the Stanley Cup, and no one player is going to guarantee that your team is "put over the top". Basically the only situation where it would make sense is if you have few prospects and an aging core where you just say screw it let's go for it. There is no free lunch in these scenarios. The trade deadline causes GMs to pay a premium on whatever is being acquired.

Just off the top of my head VGK got Tatar and WPG got Stastny last season and neither made an impact. A more fun exercise is to try to pick out the acquisition that locked up a cup at the trade deadline.

 

[hatcher]

I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

HAHAHAHA right.

 

[Johnk0728]

We're not trading Ghost.

We're trading Simmer and Gudas. Nobody will take Weise or Amac. Amac should be bought out.

I believe the Flyers main need is a top pairing NHL vet D-man. if its possible to get one; one of the Flyers d-men would have to be moved. I would it rather be Gostisbehere. He really is rounding out to be a 3rd pairing/PP specialist. I believe Sanheim can take his spot on the PP.

 

[Tripod]

This.

That's why I believe in Pool for Simmer.

What has Pool done since being drafted to show that he will be a good NHLer?

He plays on a team STARVED for talent and with no winger depth, yet has not produced.

For all Oilers forwards, the only 2 players he plays more than....are the 2 guys that just got waived yesterday in Spooner and Rattie. No one else plays less than him.

I just have not seen anyone post anything worthwhile showing his glimpses or stretches of good play to suggest that good play is on the way. I would be open to seeing it.

At this point for me, I think I would trust our scouts to find a better player than Pool if drafting 15-18(Oilers pick). But I also admit I could be wrong on Pool. Now Simmonds+Hagg for Oilers 1st and Pool....then sign me up.

 

[landsbergfan]

What has Pool done since being drafted to show that he will be a good NHLer?

He plays on a team STARVED for talent and with no winger depth, yet has not produced.

For all Oilers forwards, the only 2 players he plays more than....are the 2 guys that just got waived yesterday in Spooner and Rattie. No one else plays less than him.

I just have not seen anyone post anything worthwhile showing his glimpses or stretches of good play to suggest that good play is on the way. I would be open to seeing it.

At this point for me, I think I would trust our scouts to find a better player than Pool if drafting 15-18(Oilers pick). But I also admit I could be wrong on Pool. Now Simmonds+Hagg for Oilers 1st and Pool....then sign me up.

I don't think he is as good of a prospect as the draft process made it seem, but I do think there are tools there that could be valuable in the right hands. I would not trust EDM to develop any player, so the I am not convinced he couldn't become a valuable player and asset with proper development.

More of reach than trading for Voracek was, but IMO has similar upside given his tools. Either/or scenario...give me the draft pick, but I am not turned off by the JP idea

 

[bennysflyers16]

Simmer -95 %
Raffl - 90%
Haag - 40%
Gudas - 25%
Laughton - 25%

Trade predictions before deadline.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

What has Pool done since being drafted to show that he will be a good NHLer?

He plays on a team STARVED for talent and with no winger depth, yet has not produced.

For all Oilers forwards, the only 2 players he plays more than....are the 2 guys that just got waived yesterday in Spooner and Rattie. No one else plays less than him.

I just have not seen anyone post anything worthwhile showing his glimpses or stretches of good play to suggest that good play is on the way. I would be open to seeing it.

At this point for me, I think I would trust our scouts to find a better player than Pool if drafting 15-18(Oilers pick). But I also admit I could be wrong on Pool. Now Simmonds+Hagg for Oilers 1st and Pool....then sign me up.

I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to avoid Puljujarvi. I’m undecided myself.

On one hand, I would like an NHL-ready top prospect instead of a 1st rd pick from a playoff team.

On the other hand, Puljujarvi has really struggled in the NHL so far & it’s hard to gauge how he’ll develop. I still think of his incredible WJC, that he’s still very young, & that sometimes big guys take longer for their offense to translate to the NHL. But I also very rarely get to see the Oilers, & I think there were some questions about his hands pre-draft that seem accurate so far.

I probably would rather go for Vesalainen or Fabbro right now.

 

[Tripod]

I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to avoid Puljujarvi. I’m undecided myself.

On one hand, I would like an NHL-ready top prospect instead of a 1st rd pick from a playoff team.

On the other hand, Puljujarvi has really struggled in the NHL so far & it’s hard to gauge how he’ll develop. I still think of his incredible WJC, that he’s still very young, & that sometimes big guys take longer for their offense to translate to the NHL. But I also very rarely get to see the Oilers, & I think there were some questions about his hands pre-draft that seem accurate so far.

I probably would rather go for Vesalainen or Fabbro right now.

Well when you see some Nashville fans saying they would go a 1st+Fabbro for Simmonds, it's easy to want that deal instead.

At this point, I just want Simmonds traded so we can see how good the return is...lol.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Well when you see some Nashville fans saying they would go a 1st+Fabbro for Simmonds, it's easy to want that deal instead.

At this point, I just want Simmonds traded so we can see how good the return is...lol.

I don’t see Poile giving up Fabbro & a first, but if he’s willing that would be a heck of a deal.

 

[deadhead]

Hagg won't be traded at the TDL, he has more value in June.
Most teams would prefer a veteran like MacDonald if they need playoff depth, but his contract is a no-starter, even with half retained, so you''d have to take a bad contract back.
Folin is a good bet as a depth addition.

Many of the best TDL acquisitions were relatively low cost, depth veterans that had good playoff series.