Speculation: Trade Deadline

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Oskar Man

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I wouldn't be opposed to Puljujarvi, assuming he's not the only piece coming back. Like Tripod mentioned above, Pulju + a 1st for Simmonds and Hagg is a no brainer for me. IMO, even though he hasn't shown dick since being drafted, he's young enough and our prospect pool is deep enough that I'd feel comfortable rolling the dice on him. And if he craps out you still got a 1st and got rid of Hagg.
 

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I wouldn't be opposed to Puljujarvi, assuming he's not the only piece coming back. Like Tripod mentioned above, Pulju + a 1st for Simmonds and Hagg is a no brainer for me. IMO, even though he hasn't shown dick since being drafted, he's young enough and our prospect pool is deep enough that I'd feel comfortable rolling the dice on him. And if he craps out you still got a 1st and got rid of Hagg.

Not for me. EDM needs to add more imo.
 
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I wouldn't be opposed to Puljujarvi, assuming he's not the only piece coming back. Like Tripod mentioned above, Pulju + a 1st for Simmonds and Hagg is a no brainer for me. IMO, even though he hasn't shown dick since being drafted, he's young enough and our prospect pool is deep enough that I'd feel comfortable rolling the dice on him. And if he craps out you still got a 1st and got rid of Hagg.

I'd be all over that, but even Chia isn't that stupid.
 
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Pool Party would take away a spot for a multitude of wingers who project to be reasonable scorers in the NHL. I think this isn't the team that is going to get max value out of him or need to risk it for the upside.
 

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Pool Party would take away a spot for a multitude of wingers who project to be reasonable scorers in the NHL. I think this isn't the team that is going to get max value out of him or need to risk it for the upside.
In fairness, we need a #3RW next year so IF you believed in him, that top 9 spot is available. The dream of Allison making the jump and grabbing that spot looks to be gone with all his injuries. Laczynski...not sure. NAK...same.

Just playing devils advocate that if you believed he can still be that high end winger, we definitely have a RW spot available for him in our top 9 next year. And if you did grab him and he developed as hoped, he could be a steal.

But I do think he is more of what we already have.
 
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Edmonton's first (unprotected? but even with some level of protection on it) would be a coup. You're not going to get a better pick for Simmonds, and even if you don't have some other throw ins you might get in a different offer, I'd prefer the highest possible pick above all else. Hagg for Puljujarvi's a no brainer for me.
 

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I could see it. I'm also counting on a FA acquisition of a winger though.

I also really would prefer to rake Toronto over the coals in a Simmonds deal.
 
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I could see it. I'm also counting on a FA acquisition of a winger though.

I also really would prefer to rake Toronto over the coals in a Simmonds deal.
The difference though is that the Oilers pick has the chance of being a non-playoff pick vs the Leafs that could be around #23.
 

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We're not trading Ghost.

We're trading Simmer and Gudas. Nobody will take Weise or Amac. Amac should be bought out.

I don't see any GM making it worth Fletcher's while to trade Gudas. If it is any reflection of the mindset of NHL GMs, the announcers during the Flyers-Canadiens game briefly discussed Gudas as a TDL piece; although they readily said he would add "snarl" they expressed light-hearted concern that he wouldn't make it through a series without being suspended. They added that he is "1 of about 4 Jurassic defensemen in the league." Hopefully that is pretty accurate as a quote from memory. So Gudas = lunkhead tough / dirty defensive defenseman for a pair of announcers who were otherwise very complimentary of the Flyers lineup.
 

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I don't see any GM making it worth Fletcher's while to trade Gudas. If it is any reflection of the mindset of NHL GMs, the announcers during the Flyers-Canadiens game briefly discussed Gudas as a TDL piece; although they readily said he would add "snarl" they expressed light-hearted concern that he wouldn't make it through a series without being suspended. They added that he is "1 of about 4 Jurassic defensemen in the league." Hopefully that is pretty accurate as a quote from memory. So Gudas = lunkhead tough / dirty defensive defenseman for a pair of announcers who were otherwise very complimentary of the Flyers lineup.
He is our only rhd and our most experienced Dman in our top six. Only a GM that was under a lot of pressure to win NOW and need someone like him would overpay enough. Chia, Dubas and possibly Poile all have the assets to trade and are under a lot of pressure. Someone will go for Muzzin but the rhd pickings are slim.
 

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I don't think he is as good of a prospect as the draft process made it seem, but I do think there are tools there that could be valuable in the right hands. I would not trust EDM to develop any player, so the I am not convinced he couldn't become a valuable player and asset with proper development.

More of reach than trading for Voracek was, but IMO has similar upside given his tools. Either/or scenario...give me the draft pick, but I am not turned off by the JP idea

I actually think comparing his potential to Voracek, to any degree, is lazy, bb.

He has physical tools, but his hands are atrocious. Watch him handle the puck. It's like he's slapping at it, as it constantly rolls off his blade. Jake has some of the softest hands of any winger in the league navigating through traffic. And PJ's hockey sense is a disaster. People call Voracek a dumb player the way Hartnell was dumb because he took bad penalties. Neither are Patrice Bergeron, but you don't impact the game like they do/did and be dumb because of (in Jake's case) turnovers trying to make plays happen. Elite playmakers are not dumb; they dissect defenses for openings. You can also be intelligent in different ways. Jake is a smart player who does dumb things now and again. Yes, he is no Selke caliber player either.

This is a roundabout way of saying Puljujarvi has rocks for brains and stone hands. Why that is deemed "upside" to bet on is beyond me. He has more in common with Magnus Paajarvi than Jake Voracek. People can say he went 4th overall, point to his WJC playing with 2 actual stars, point at his physical tools, point to Edmonton being a poor developmental team, but you need things to work with that I am deeply DEEPLY skeptical Puljujarvi posseses.

Saying a future bust has potential is the oldest sell in the book. Edmonton has developed good players. Sometimes a Puljujarvi or Yakupov simply is what he is on his own merits.
 

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I’m excited to see what moves are made. Will be a big tell on the future of this team and how capable our new GM is at making big trades.

That’s only half the story though, should be a fun deadline/offseason
 

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I actually think comparing his potential to Voracek, to any degree, is lazy, bb.

He has physical tools, but his hands are atrocious. Watch him handle the puck. It's like he's slapping at it, as it constantly rolls off his blade. Jake has some of the softest hands of any winger in the league navigating through traffic. And PJ's hockey sense is a disaster. People call Voracek a dumb player the way Hartnell was dumb because he took bad penalties. Neither are Patrice Bergeron, but you don't impact the game like they do/did and be dumb because of (in Jake's case) turnovers trying to make plays happen. Elite playmakers are not dumb; they dissect defenses for openings. You can also be intelligent in different ways. Jake is a smart player who does dumb things now and again. Yes, he is no Selke caliber player either.

This is a roundabout way of saying Puljujarvi has rocks for brains and stone hands. Why that is deemed "upside" to bet on is beyond me. He has more in common with Magnus Paajarvi than Jake Voracek. People can say he went 4th overall, point to his WJC playing with 2 actual stars, point at his physical tools, point to Edmonton being a poor developmental team, but you need things to work with that I am deeply DEEPLY skeptical Puljujarvi posseses.

Saying a future bust has potential is the oldest sell in the book. Edmonton has developed good players. Sometimes a Puljujarvi or Yakupov simply is what he is on his own merits.
I actually knew it was a lazy comparison and knew you were going to yell at me for it, but did it anyway (I like when you yell at me). I didn't mean stylistically, I just meant who Voracek was when we traded for him vs who he is now. Please don't think I was trying to call JP a playmaker. JP is not even in the top 25 of guys I would like to receive in a trade for Simmonds, but given rumors and who we are working with here, I just consider it a realistic scenario we can be forced into. I acknowledge that you are very low on his hands and IQ. I don't care (or pay attention) as much about IQ as you, but he has speed and size which in my book are a good place to start.

My overall point is that I am okay with a project, especially one that has trended down, and that I would rather "swing for the fences" than take on a safer prospect so to speak. I am essentially taking the Matt Stairs approach to the Simmonds trade.
 
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