TSN: Trade Deadline: what do we do!

[surixon]

Banking on recouping picks is bad asset management, We aren't Toronto or New York, Great players don't just fall out of the sky and into our lap.

Pics are worth more in the summer anyhow so we likely don't come close to recouping them.

 

[Daximus]

Pics are worth more in the summer anyhow so we likely don't come close to recouping them.

Yeah I just hope this org has the intelligence to throw away one year of potential playoff revenue to stabilize our future.

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah we'll see how they navigate this.

I do wonder if Chevy has ran his course at the helm and if we are entering a rebuild maybe it's time for a new leader.

I've thought that as well, but I doubt it. I think Chevy will be given the opportunity to navigate through it. I still think only PLD is moved because he doesn't want to extend long term. I expect both Helly and Scheifele and most of the rest of the core to sign UFA contracts with the Jets. Our picks now and our prospects will then be important to provide cheap talent to supplement that group over the next 5 years or so.

 

[Daximus]

I've thought that as well, but I doubt it. I think Chevy will be given the opportunity to navigate through it. I still think only PLD is moved because he doesn't want to extend long term. I expect both Helly and Scheifele and most of the rest of the core to sign UFA contracts with the Jets. Our picks now and our prospects will then be important to provide cheap talent to supplement that group over the next 5 years or so.

I don't think Helle and Scheif plan on sticking it out here. Both can get large sums of money in FA and both are likely looking at locking themselves up long term 7-8 years at as much money as they can get.

 

[surixon]

Yeah I just hope this org has the intelligence to throw away one year of potential playoff revenue to stabilize our future.

I think they try to get that revenue this year but I can see a hard reset on the summer depending on what happens. This year has 14-15 vibes to me.

 

[Yogi141]

Chevy IMO did the right thing at this time. The team is not playing well and may never recover to the play they had earlier. Is it worth giving away future assets ( picks and or players ) to maybe move the goal posts a few feet better?

More so when the REAL work to be done is coming up. Over the next 2 seasons this team is going to look drastically different than it does now, And trying to stay competitive and keep the fans happy, while the core you are used to having is walking out the door, is going to take all of Chevy's magic.

Keep in mind that good players won't come to Winnipeg in free agency, so we are unlikely able to replace any top players who leave with equal type players. If PLD, Helly and Scheifs leave, how do we replace them?

 

[KingBogo]

I don't think Helle and Scheif plan on sticking it out here. Both can get large sums of money in FA and both are likely looking at locking themselves up long term 7-8 years at as much money as they can get.

You don't think the Jets will do that?

 

[surixon]

Keep in mind that good players won't come to Winnipeg in free agency, so we are unlikely able to replace any top players who leave with equal type players. If PLD, Helly and Scheifs leave, how do we replace them?

The same way we replaced, Kane, Ladd, Little, Toby, Laine etc.

 

[Daximus]

You don't think the Jets will do that?

I think both have really debated sticking around with us. I do think the Jets will throw whatever they can at them. I think both will test FA anyways.

 

[surixon]

You don't think the Jets will do that?

I'm sure they will but both will have a say in that as well.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I've thought that as well, but I doubt it. I think Chevy will be given the opportunity to navigate through it. I still think only PLD is moved because he doesn't want to extend long term. I expect both Helly and Scheifele and most of the rest of the core to sign UFA contracts with the Jets. Our picks now and our prospects will then be important to provide cheap talent to supplement that group over the next 5 years or so.

Excellent chance Helly won't sign with the Jets if he deems them non-competitive. A first round exit and the loss of PLD may be enough to deem it so in his mind.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Banking on recouping picks is bad asset management, We aren't Toronto or New York, Great players don't just fall out of the sky and into our lap.

We have the players already. The ones who most likley wont be resigning due to the org not showing the will to seriously try and win a cup. Its those players we would be trading to recoup the losses. At least it would if given us a shot this year. Isnt the point of playing to win? Don't the fans and players deserve to be given every opportunity? We are not going to have this good a chance for many years now. And it was wasted

 

[KingBogo]

Yeah I just hope this org has the intelligence to throw away one year of potential playoff revenue to stabilize our future.

The thing is whoever we got, likely only make a minimal impact anyways. PLD playing like he did in the 1st half of the season is way more important then whoever we picked up today. And if the rest of our top 6 is firing and with Helly we are good enough for a dark horse run in the playoffs anyways.

 

[Daximus]

We have the players already. The ones who most likley wont be resigning due to the org not showing the will to seriously try and win a cup. Its those players we would be trading to recoup the losses. At least it would if given us a shot this year. Isnt the point of playing to win? Don't the fans and players deserve to be given every opportunity? We are not going to have this good a chance for many years now. And it was wasted

I think being realistic about your chances to win should also be a factor. People always say anything can happen in the playoffs but the stats don't bare that out. The NHL has the lowest number of different league champions out of the big 4 NA sports and the 2nd lowest number of different finalist teams over the last 20 years. The odds point to a team that has been to the finals and won a Cup before to do it again.

 

[KingBogo]

We have the players already. The ones who most likley wont be resigning due to the org not showing the will to seriously try and win a cup. Its those players we would be trading to recoup the losses. At least it would if given us a shot this year. Isnt the point of playing to win? Don't the fans and players deserve to be given every opportunity? We are not going to have this good a chance for many years now. And it was wasted

I don't think the players will be as disappointed as you think they will be. None of their teammates were sold off for picks and prospects and there were a couple decent veteran adds. There are guys in that room that know they now need to step up.

 

[tbcwpg]

I don't think Helle and Scheif plan on sticking it out here. Both can get large sums of money in FA and both are likely looking at locking themselves up long term 7-8 years at as much money as they can get.

I think Chevy and TNSE will give Scheifele and Helle the term and money they ask for, it'll be up to them if they want to stick around here.

 

[Daximus]

I think Chevy and TNSE will give Scheifele and Helle the term and money they ask for, it'll be up to them if they want to stick around here.

Yeah I just think both will look to win Cups elsewhere and will be paid just as handsomely to do it.

 

[Yogi141]

We have a lot of ammo to move out guys like Scheif, PLD, Ehlers, Helle, Pionk can all fetch 1sts+ or equivalent. Guys like DeMelo, Dillon, Schmidt, Nino can all get middling assets. Wheeler will be tough to move but it's possible.

If we can nab like 4 1sts over the next 2-3 years and a number of prospects and assets to contenders for these players we could have a decently quick turnaround. The worst part about all of this is we are starting it after what is likely to be the best draft of the 2020's.

What is a decently quick turn around? Generally picks are sent back to junior's for a year or two, and then spend another year playing in the AHL. Then they come to the NHL and spend 2 to 3 years learning how to succeed there. Thus they don't really become true top line players until they are 23 to 25. That is five years after they were drafted. A rebuild usually takes 5 to 7 years. Ours took 7 years when they first arrived here.

 

[surixon]

I don't think the players will be as disappointed as you think they will be. None of their teammates were sold off for picks and prospects and there were a couple decent veteran adds. There are guys in that room that know they now need to step up.

Yup, Chevy pretty much said as much. It's up to them get back to the structure and effort that made them a top 5 to 10 team. Adding another third liner doesn't move the needle unless PLD, Ehlers and others pick their games up.

 

[KingBogo]

Excellent chance Helly won't sign with the Jets if he deems them non-competitive. A first round exit and the loss of PLD may be enough to deem it so in his mind.

And maybe it turns out differently? What would have destroyed moral is if Chevy sold of players which he didn't do. These guys aren't sitting around crying like a lot of their fans are. They will believe in each other and be happy the team wasn't dismantled. Any add on top of that is a good add.

 

[Daximus]

What is a decently quick turn around? Generally picks are sent back to junior's for a year or two, and then spend another year playing in the AHL. Then they come to the NHL and spend 2 to 3 years learning how to succeed there. Thus they don't really become true top line players until they are 23 to 25. That is five years after they were drafted. A rebuild usually takes 5 to 7 years. Ours took 7 years when they first arrived here.

5 years is what you hope for really. Potentially sooner if you can land a real impact player at the draft. It won't be easy. It's gonna be painful.

 

[Yogi141]

The same way we replaced, Kane, Ladd, Little, Toby, Laine etc.

I agree with you - through the draft. That is a 5 to 7 year process. It took us 7 years from the time the Jets got here until they were ready to compete.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

What is a decently quick turn around? Generally picks are sent back to junior's for a year or two, and then spend another year playing in the AHL. Then they come to the NHL and spend 2 to 3 years learning how to succeed there. Thus they don't really become true top line players until they are 23 to 25. That is five years after they were drafted. A rebuild usually takes 5 to 7 years. Ours took 7 years when they first arrived here.

Yes, and some would say longer since the team in Atlanta was terrible in its final 3 or 4 years bringing in the likes of Wheeler and Buff and Ladd for draft picks and young assets.

 

[MarkWheeler]

Everything about this team is just bleh lately. Core players that seem to disappear when the going gets tough. GM and owner that never really seem to know what they’re doing, or can’t commit one way or the other. Draft and develop is fine and dandy, but for what? Nothing ever seems to be paying off.
I’ve lost all faith in Chevy, I don’t think Chipman actually has a clue about building a winning hockey team, and shouldn’t be making any hockey ops decisions. Just happy to be here. Old boys club is Alice and well. At least we have a team. 12 years in and we’ve got what, 1 good year to show for it, and that doesn’t warrant any significant changes? What could Chevy Possibly do to have his job on the line? We’re going to be stuck with him and Chipman for life, the way True North does business. We’re a crappy organization, but hey, at least we’re loyal! What does that blind loyalty get you? Over the hill player on bad contracts, and still half the players in the league probably have the Jets on their no trade list. I thought my interest couldn’t have been any lower last year, but it’s quickly becoming even lower now. Not even the great star Namestikov can help that.
I feel sorry for anyone who buys season tickets for this constant display of mediocrity.

 

[hockeyarena]

We have the players already. The ones who most likley wont be resigning due to the org not showing the will to seriously try and win a cup.

Ya THATS why players don't sign in Winnipeg. Lol