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C'mon man, giving one anomalous example does not negate the fact that there is a less than, what, 2% chance that Cally follows that trajectory? How is it even relevant? Once upon a time, one guy who was kinds similar had his most points after age 30? Cally is clearly showing wear and tear. It's just not a good idea to give him this kind of contract. If the options, as you put it, are simply keep him or don't keep him, the smart answer is don't keep him. It's as simple as that.
 
SERE 24 said:
C'mon man, giving one anomalous example does not negate the fact that there is a less than, what, 2% chance that Cally follows that trajectory? How is it even relevant? Once upon a time, one guy who was kinds similar had his most points after age 30? Cally is clearly showing wear and tear. It's just not a good idea to give him this kind of contract. If the options, as you put it, are simply keep him or don't keep him, the smart answer is don't keep him. It's as simple as that.
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I think the point is that the "smart answer" is to not assume you can predict the future. For every person on this board who is certain that Callahan is damaged goods and past his prime, there's an actual GM willing to pay him. Him having a career trajectory like Langenbrunner might not be likely, yet, people find it gospel truth that he'll be the next Brendan Morrow.
 
TheDirtyH said:
I think the point is that the "smart answer" is to not assume you can predict the future. For every person on this board who is certain that Callahan is damaged goods and past his prime, there's an actual GM willing to pay him. Him having a career trajectory like Langenbrunner might not be likely, yet, people find it gospel truth that he'll be the next Brendan Morrow.
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Hate to chime in out of nowhere, but every decision you make is predicated on the assumption that you can "predict" the future. If Sather's prediction is that Cally will break down and continue to be ineffective, his decision should definitely be to spend the money elsewhere. The opposite is also true, and his ability to make accurate predictions is a key aspect of his job.
 
Callahan has still not accepted. I am still 90% sure this is all a game. Getting one of your most important players re-signed doesn't drag out to the deadline. Callahan is no longer that to this team anymore or this deal would have been done like Henrik. They're just trying to make it look like they tried.

Not long now. As far as Kesler goes, I would move Brassard for him in a package, but not Stepan. Brassard is playing better as of late, but I still don't like him long term on this team. Stepan will be here awhile unless his game continues to be rather uninspired.
 
Ail said:
Callahan has still not accepted. I am still 90% sure this is all a game. Getting one of your most important players re-signed doesn't drag out to the deadline. Callahan is no longer that to this team anymore or this deal would have been done like Henrik. They're just trying to make it look like they tried.

Not long now. As far as Kesler goes, I would move Brassard for him in a package, but not Stepan. Brassard is playing better as of late, but I still don't like him long term on this team. Stepan will be here awhile unless his game continues to be rather uninspired.
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Pretty sure we'd have to add quite a bit to that. At least a 2nd and a prospect. Probably more. Would you still do it?
 
SixGoalieSystem said:
Pretty sure we'd have to add quite a bit to that. At least a 2nd and a prospect. Probably more. Would you still do it?
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If they made a move on MSL as well, it would be worth it probably. It would at least look like they were trying to make a team that would stand-up against the other top teams in the playoffs.

Brassard, Kristo, 2nd. I wouldn't lose sleep over that.
 
Ail said:
If they made a move on MSL as well, it would be worth it probably. It would at least look like they were trying to make a team that would stand-up against the other top teams in the playoffs.

Brassard, Kristo, 2nd. I wouldn't lose sleep over that.
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Fair enough. I agree that trading for MSL and Kesler would be this team making a serious attempt at going for the cup. I doubt it would be enough, though, so wouldn't we just be giving up futures for another "almost good enough"-team?

I love Kesler, but he's breaking down and MSL while great is aging and probably had his stats padded big time by playing with Stammer the last couple of years. I'm just not sure about this.
 
Vancouver wants Stepan. They want a center between the ages of 20-25 to replace Kesler. Vancouver also wants a top prospect and a #1 pick. The Rangers can't make that deal. Brassard can be a group III next summer. Stepan,Miller and #1. The Rangers already gave up multiple assets for Nash.
 
It seems to me like if they wanted Cally traded they would have pulled the trigger by now. All just a part of negotiations, going to the last minute. If there really is a noon deadline today I really hope Teflon and company have an idea what his market is around the league, not the "oh we need 24 hours to gauge interest". Another deadline, yay.
 
Is it possible that Cally really doesnt want to get traded somewhere else and thus intentionally overstated his demands so that when Sather went to try and make a deal nobody would give him fair value due to Cally's demands and thus he wouldn't be able to make a trade? I know its supposedly at 6mil for 6yrs but if I was Sather I would make it clear if it gets to the summer that deal is off the table and market value could be less at that point. I would not trade Cally at the deadline for nothing of value just to say we made a trade. I still think it is possible he will sign for 5.5 or so during the summer and regret his decisions.
 
Today is interesting with 8 games and tomorrow only 4.

Is there a lot of activity today? Do the Islanders risk putting Vanek, Grabner, McDonald on the ice?

I still say nothing picks up until 10 AM tomorrow but we'll see.
 
RangerBoy said:
Vancouver wants Stepan. They want a center between the ages of 20-25 to replace Kesler. Vancouver also wants a top prospect and a #1 pick. The Rangers can't make that deal. Brassard can be a group III next summer. Stepan,Miller and #1. The Rangers already gave up multiple assets for Nash.
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Yeah but what the Pens are offering is not that. Sutter is young but is a third line player at best. Despres is not a top prospect and the Pens first will be very late.

Stepan is worth just about that entire package the Pens offered by himself.
 
SixGoalieSystem said:
Fair enough. I agree that trading for MSL and Kesler would be this team making a serious attempt at going for the cup. I doubt it would be enough, though, so wouldn't we just be giving up futures for another "almost good enough"-team?

I love Kesler, but he's breaking down and MSL while great is aging and probably had his stats padded big time by playing with Stammer the last couple of years. I'm just not sure about this.
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I would prefer they went after MSL as cheap as possible if that's the direction Sather wants to go. Marty is in no way padding his stats. Is playing with Stamkos benficial? Of course but not to the point that he isn't an elite player without him. He would still be the best forward on this team at age 38.

I don't particularly like the idea of Kesler, but he would certainly replace all of the intangibles we lose from Cally and the production from Brassard. It's a move that makes sense if they're all in. However assuming the rumors and asking prices are at least accurate the Rangers stand to lose:

Their first
Their second
Brassard/Stepan
Hagelin
Kristo
Fast/Lindberg/Duclair (one of)

Is that worth it? I'm not sure it is. That's also without including a return for Callahan unless he is somehow included in the deal for MSL or Kesler which would then change the aforementioned asset losses. Unless he decides to keep Callahan as a rental.

They would have very good scoring depth on the wing, even losing Hagelin. They would be deeper at center, perhaps deep enough to carry themselves through the post-season assuming no injuries. They still lack the blueline puck movement. The defense and goaltending are still very strong.

It would certainly make the team arguably poised to make a Cup run, but if the two roster players going are Stepan and Hagelin, that could be a disasterous mistake. Glen wants to win a Cup in NY. I don't rule this scenario out at all.
 
Ail said:
I would prefer they went after MSL as cheap as possible if that's the direction Sather wants to go. Marty is in no way padding his stats. Is playing with Stamkos benficial? Of course but not to the point that he isn't an elite player without him. He would still be the best forward on this team at age 38.
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Maybe "padded" was the wrong choice of words, but I'm fairly sure he would not be putting up the same points totals with Stepan or Richards as his center. He's obviously a great player and I agree (who wouldn't) he would be the best forward on this team with a significant margin.



Ail said:
It would certainly make the team arguably poised to make a Cup run, but if the two roster players going are Stepan and Hagelin, that could be a disasterous mistake. Glen wants to win a Cup in NY. I don't rule this scenario out at all.
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I'm with you. I think it's something Sather could do, but I don't think it would pay off and it would hurt the team in the future. I hope the only major deal the Rangers make this deadline is Cally for futures.
 
McKenzie said on tsn the price for Kesler is a center, top forward or d prospect and a 3rd rd pick
 
Lundsanity30 said:
McKenzie said on tsn the price for Kesler is a center, top forward or d prospect and a 3rd rd pick
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99.9% sure it was a 1st. Unless I heard and read incorrectly. Also regardless of that, the Pens supposedly have an offer on the table that includes a first. So it would have to be a first to match unless the center and prospect are signicantly better than Sutter and Despres.
 
Stepan is so vanilla it's not even funny ... Typical ranger ... We need less guys like him and more grit and size
 
NYR2007 said:
Stepan is so vanilla it's not even funny ... Typical ranger ... We need less guys like him and more grit and size
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agreed but Sather does not seem to think that way.


he will trade for Nathan Gerbe and Paul Byron so we can have the all under 6' line :help:
 
SERE 24 said:
C'mon man, giving one anomalous example does not negate the fact that there is a less than, what, 2% chance that Cally follows that trajectory? How is it even relevant? Once upon a time, one guy who was kinds similar had his most points after age 30? Cally is clearly showing wear and tear. It's just not a good idea to give him this kind of contract. If the options, as you put it, are simply keep him or don't keep him, the smart answer is don't keep him. It's as simple as that.
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The odds of Callahan improving within his 30's, for a player of his caliber and type is so rare, to take those odds is like buying a lottery ticket.

Can it happen, sure, should you bet your house on it, absolutely not.
 
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