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without knowing the official details of the Carlo trade and our involvement, I will still maintain that this deadline was a master class by Dubas. He got great value for Glass, great value for Schenn, great value for Beauvillier and great value for both Bunting and Desharnais.

Dewar is a better fourth-line player coming in than what we have in guys like Nieto and Acciari. Let's see how he is when he leaves, because typically they start sucking balls when they join the team and start learning how to play like Mike Sullivan the trash player.

Timmins is a solid third-pairing RD upgrade over both Desharnais and Schenn. His presence allows us to play Graves on the third pairing with a better partner, and allows guys like Brunicke and Harding (among others) to continue to develop without worrying about making the team.

This for me is putting your money where your mouth is. Dubas said he wanted to pull double duty in rebuilding quickly while maintaining a level of competitiveness. This does just that.

An accelerated rebuild is not about McKenna and DuPont. That's a full rebuild and years of pain. An accelerated rebuild is trying to bring in someone like Marner this summer, keep Rakell and Karlsson and see if you can improve the goaltending. If they falter again next season, you have the trade deadline to make more changes like this.

If you fire the coach, they won't falter though. So I think this was a very good day for Dubas.
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Just finished listening to Dubas' recording. I'm even more convinced on what his plan is going to be, so maybe I can help lay it out for @Empoleon8771 and others.

His answer to the last question, which was from Rossi, was the most revealing, but it ties into what he detailed early in the press conference. The Pens have an array of picks in the top three rounds for the next three years. They will use those picks to draft quality talent but also as leverage in trades. They also have substantial cap space.

What this does is give them options.

If there is a player who shakes loose or who they feel they can target as a young contributor, they have assets to acquire them via trade.

If there is a free agent who they think can speed up the timeline, they have the cap space to pursue them.

And in the meantime, they'll continue to use the draft picks they have to bring in quality, young talent to develop.

It allows them to make choices depending on how different scenarios unfold. If Marner, Chychrun, etc. make it to free agency, maybe they're big players there. If they don't, maybe trades are an option. And the back-up plan will always be to continue to draft and develop.

He's not backing himself into a corner. It's not, "Spend in 2025 free agency or bust." Instead, it's preparing to act when the opportunity presents itself. Marner available? Go for him. Buffalo hires a new GM and some attractive pieces are available via trade? Let's make a deal.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I think Dubas would love for guys like Marner and Chychrun to be available in free agency this year. He goes hard after them, maybe swings a Karlsson trade, then uses some assets to bring in one or two other young, talented players. That still allows them to preserve some assets for 2026 and 2027.

But he's preparing alternatives in case that doesn't happen.
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My concern is they don’t move on from the coach and the team goes out and makes minor moves to improve the roster only to finish with the eighth pick.

They need a new coach and then construct the roster around his preferred style.

Otherwise they’re going to waste cash and pick
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
Just finished listening to Dubas' recording. I'm even more convinced on what his plan is going to be, so maybe I can help lay it out for @Empoleon8771 and others.

His answer to the last question, which was from Rossi, was the most revealing, but it ties into what he detailed early in the press conference. The Pens have an array of picks in the top three rounds for the next three years. They will use those picks to draft quality talent but also as leverage in trades. They also have substantial cap space.

What this does is give them options.

If there is a player who shakes loose or who they feel they can target as a young contributor, they have assets to acquire them via trade.

If there is a free agent who they think can speed up the timeline, they have the cap space to pursue them.

And in the meantime, they'll continue to use the draft picks they have to bring in quality, young talent to develop.

It allows them to make choices depending on how different scenarios unfold. If Marner, Chychrun, etc. make it to free agency, maybe they're big players there. If they don't, maybe trades are an option. And the back-up plan will always be to continue to draft and develop.

He's not backing himself into a corner. It's not, "Spend in 2025 free agency or bust." Instead, it's preparing to act when the opportunity presents itself. Marner available? Go for him. Buffalo hires a new GM and some attractive pieces are available via trade? Let's make a deal.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I think Dubas would love for guys like Marner and Chychrun to be available in free agency this year. He goes hard after them, maybe swings a Karlsson trade, then uses some assets to bring in one or two other young, talented players. That still allows them to preserve some assets for 2026 and 2027.

But he's preparing alternatives in case that doesn't happen.
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I don't think "we have options" is particularly a plan.
 
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Jag68Sid87 said:
without knowing the official details of the Carlo trade and our involvement, I will still maintain that this deadline was a master class by Dubas. He got great value for Glass, great value for Schenn, great value for Beauvillier and great value for both Bunting and Desharnais.
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Pens' involvement is Dewar and Timmins for a 5th.

 
People are delusional if they think
Marner and his ilk are coming here…sure we can pay them but we’re not a desirable destination…we’re right up there with Buffalo and Winnipeg lol…I don’t think that’s the plan either…trading assets for Peterka makes more sense
 
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Christ I never want to hear the word “Program” again.

Dubas could have traded Rakell for McDavid and would still want to punch him in the face. He reminds me of every corporate shill I’ve ever met.

Certainly sounds like he’s going for a quick rebuild that will result in disaster.
 
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I will say that if this team keeps Rakell going forward, I don't think they're as far off from being good again as their record suggests. But the issues are that:

1. The coach is well past his expiration date.
2. I don't truly know how good Letang is at this point. He can be anything from "legit #2/3 D having a bad season" to completely washed and it wouldn't surprise me.
3. Beyond Letang, the team has such a bad defensive group that it's going to take years to fix.

A big part of this is dependent on whether you can rely on Novak in more 2-way/defensive usage, but I think you have an interesting base at forward with something like:

Rakell-Crosby-Rust
XXXX-Malkin-Koivunen
McGroarty-Novak-Tomasino

You need a top tier play driver to play with Malkin on L2, but the rest at least looks intriguing. If you can get Marner, that's absolutely perfect. The defense? I would replace every single defenseman on this team with no hesitation, unless Letang isn't completely washed. For me to think this team can do anything before Crosby retires, you basically need to acquire at least half of a legitimate top pair this off-season and a full top pair by the start of the 2027-2028 season.
 
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eXile3 said:
Christ I never want to hear the word “Program” again.

Dubas could have traded Rakell for McDavid and would still want to punch him in the face. He reminds me of every corporate shill I’ve ever met.

Certainly sounds like he’s going for a quick rebuild that will result in disaster.
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Except that his stockpiling of first to third round picks screams not looking for a quick rebuild.
 
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Except that his stockpiling of first to third round picks screams not looking for a quick rebuild.
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He acquired one 1st round pick and traded one since coming on.

The reality is Dubas is in the same holding pattern as Hextall with the advantage of having a team that has sucked for two years versus being in a playoff spot.

If Dubas makes some huge deals to further build draft capital this summer I’ll say we are ok to say “full rebuild”.
 
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