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Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

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If we're not going to add anything impactful I'd rather we just sell. I could get behind a "punt but have an obvious off season retooling plan"

Maybe I've been hearing a bit too much @Ace lately but the thought of running back a very similar roster next year doesn't feel good.

This is all making me feel like we're not even a year away. Feels like the plan is to evaluate and wait for the next wave (Levi, Kulich, Savoie, Johnson, etc) to arrive and maybe start contributing by 25-26... By then we should know if Thompson can sustain and which of cozens/power/mitts/Quinn/Peterka/Krebs reach their potential and get added to the "core" group. (Cozens and power are core already but have growth left).
 
Dubi Doo said:
Oh my, that would make thise deadline even worse. A move just to make a move is weak sauce.
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Unless he pulls Lawson Crouse out of his ass, it is either something like this, or nothing.

I supposed he could go with a bottom 6 center. I have been on the Boone Jenner bandwagon, but he'd have to change his M-NTC.
 
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KrakenSabresMike said:
Also didn’t we pick kulich 28th in a weaker draft and now he’s essentially untouchable? He is not bedard but he is a stud for where we picked him. It is a good draft and the 2nds this year through 40s are supposed to be 1st quality ( and we have one of those picks).

Not thats it’s very likely but it eedo fall on out face our pick with be 12ish and that means we could luck into a stud in the top 3. I would’ve traded out pick with protection for chychrun but I’m not looking to sell it unless I’m getting a stud that is 25 or less with multiple years on their contract left at this point. To be honest, even chychrun I was a little hesitant bc of injuries ( and he got hurt tonight like a period into his sens career) - I worry that guy could become a little better Bogo very quickly with a couple more dings
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I wouldn’t move a top 20 1st in 23 unless I’m getting a player who is U24 with 4+ yrs of team control that fits a need AND is cap controlled like being an ELC or signed 5+ yr contract for $4M or so. I’m not tradingnit for a player who is expecting a $5M+ contract in 34 or 25.

a team drafted a RD in the 19-22 drafts who looks like they can play solid mid pair I’d trade the pick for or like the D the devils traded for Mriver who was drafted at 20. If he hasn’t soured and scouts really liked him, I would have traded for him with the 1st.
 
Sabretooth said:
If we're not going to add anything impactful I'd rather we just sell. I could get behind a "punt but have an obvious off season retooling plan"

Maybe I've been hearing a bit too much @Ace lately but the thought of running back a very similar roster next year doesn't feel good.

This is all making me feel like we're not even a year away. Feels like the plan is to evaluate and wait for the next wave (Levi, Kulich, Savoie, Johnson, etc) to arrive and maybe start contributing by 25-26... By then we should know if Thompson can sustain and which of cozens/power/mitts/Quinn/Peterka/Krebs reach their potential and get added to the "core" group. (Cozens and power are core already but have growth left).
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We don't have anything to sell. We have no pending free agents and I don't see them selling some one like Olofsson either. I do think they will make additions this offseason by way of trade. A lot of these teams that went all in will want to recoup some picks and will be willing to trade players for them.
 
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stealth1 said:
We don't have anything to sell. We have no pending free agents and I don't see them selling some one like Olofsson either. I do think they will make additions this offseason by way of trade. A lot of these teams that went all in will want to recoup some picks and will be willing to trade players for them.
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Okposo and Girgensons.
 
stealth1 said:
We don't have anything to sell. We have no pending free agents and I don't see them selling some one like Olofsson either. I do think they will make additions this offseason by way of trade. A lot of these teams that went all in will want to recoup some picks and will be willing to trade players for them.
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its not just pending free agents that have been moving.

If Adams doesnt know by now who has to go…then he’s the one who has to go.
 
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Jim Bob said:
They are not moving the two vets that wear the C or A (or their vet goalie) at the TDL.


My guess is that he has very different opinions on who needs to go than you do.
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Ok, I was just answering the question where the guy said Buffalo has no UFAs. Take it easy.
 
Ace said:
its not just pending free agents that have been moving.

If Adams doesnt know by now who has to go…then he’s the one who has to go.
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I know but the TEAMS that are making those moves are fighting for a cup this season. We are not close to that yet. You complain about how the room feels by not helping them. See how they feel when you move guys off the roster to make a trade.

toddkaz said:
Okposo and Girgensons.
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Those guys a key guys on this team this season.
 
I would just like to see something to improve the team whether for the short term or long term. This team should not be considered beyond that sort of request. There are plenty of areas they can improve upon. They have a young team, they have room to add veterans. They have a defense core that can be structured better, that can be added to.

If Adams can't find a way to address some holes on this team to improve the team, without needing to worry about impacting the future of the organization, then he's in the wrong position of management.

Teams we are currently in competition with, and in the future are making moves to attempt improve their team knowing there's a possibility of not working. But they know they can't sit still, that their teams need to constantly work on being better than the previous day.
 
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In regards to Chychrun can this team afford 3 dman making 8+ million long term? Power/Dahlin are most certainly getting that. What teams have that composition and are successful?

Our window starts next yr and continues for another decade. We are going to have to pay our young developed stars.
 
stealth1 said:
We don't have anything to sell. We have no pending free agents and I don't see them selling some one like Olofsson either. I do think they will make additions this offseason by way of trade. A lot of these teams that went all in will want to recoup some picks and will be willing to trade players for them.
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We keep hearing this every year from the Adams disciples. But the only major trades he has made are when the players have forced his hand (Eichel, Reinhart, Risto).

I also don't buy into the fact that we can grow into contenders just by maturing. None of Adams' precious prospects outside of Levi really provide us with what this team is lacking. And even if he does address the areas of weakness in this summer's draft - we're going to be waiting years for the results.

So while depressing - i can actually see Adams sitting on his hands all summer as a real possibility & us having these same conversations next year.

That said - a dumb trade for a player we don't have much of a need for would be worse than doing nothing.
 
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stealth1 said:
I know but the TEAMS that are making those moves are fighting for a cup this season. We are not close to that yet. You complain about how the room feels by not helping them. See how they feel when you move guys off the roster to make a trade.


Those guys a key guys on this team this season.
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Both guys are key guys on this team for this season, yet will be UFAs at the end of the season, but in the same post you are downplaying the importance of making moves because we're not fighting for a cup this season. Which is it? I'm so confused if I should care about this season and the guys on the roster, or just stick with focusing on the future.
 
EichHart said:
In regards to Chychrun can this team afford 3 dman making 8+ million long term? Power/Dahlin are most certainly getting that. What teams have that composition and are successful?

Our window starts next yr and continues for another decade. We are going to have to pay our young developed stars.
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It's completely moot now - but yes they could have afforded Chychrun as #3 salaried D. Quite easily.
 
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EichHart said:
In regards to Chychrun can this team afford 3 dman making 8+ million long term? Power/Dahlin are most certainly getting that. What teams have that composition and are successful?

Our window starts next yr and continues for another decade. We are going to have to pay our young developed stars.
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No, they can't. It would've been basically a two-year rental.
 
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OkimLom said:
Both guys are key guys on this team for this season, yet will be UFAs at the end of the season, but in the same post you are downplaying the importance of making plays because we're not fighting for a cup this season. Which is it? I'm so confused if I should care about this season and the guys on the roster, or just stick with focusing on the future.
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It's both. They are trying to make the playoffs but also focusing on the future.
 
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I wonder if signing Levi and Johnson play into Adams' thoughts on the trade deadline?

Assume he's got verbal agreements for both to join the team after their college seasons are completed. Those two players joining the organization on ELCs is a big deal. Levi is very much the goalie of the future, and Johnson has top 4 potential. High end, he has Samuelsson type impact.

If Adams makes a move (Saros, Demko, etc, high end defenseman), does that change the decision for Levi or Johnson?

I don't endorse Adams' position, if this is what he's doing. But it might be something to think about and talk about.
 
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Rowley Birkin said:
We keep hearing this every year from the Adams disciples. But the only major trades he has made are when the players have forced his hand (Eichel, Reinhart, Risto).

I also don't buy into the fact that we can grow into contenders just by maturing. None of Adams' precious prospects outside of Levi really provide us with what this team is lacking. And even if he does address the areas of weakness in this summer's draft - we're going to be waiting years for the results.

So while depressing - i can actually see Adams sitting on his hands all summer as a real possibility & us having these same conversations next year.

That said - a dumb trade for a player we don't have much of a need for would be worse than doing nothing.
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I wouldn't go that far.

Ryan Johnson has the potential to improve the D after the top 3. That is a need.

Kulich has the potential to be an overall upgrade over VO. That is a need.

Savoie has game breaking offensive potential that would allow them to push a current top 6 forward to the 3rd line. While not a need, it does make the team better.

I agree that Adams will need to eventually make some trades as the prospect pipeline is overly slanted towards offensive wingers and the D pipeline is woefully thin, especially when it comes to anyone that you could project as helping in 23-24 or 24-25.

I just think that Adams will continue to be more patient than many fans want.
 
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Still waiting for GMKA to pick up Beaulieu or Kulikov for pennies on the dollar.

"I will make no trades, unless it improves the team" - GMKA
 
What I would like Adams to do, based on what I think is within the realm of the possible (for him and his plan):

JVR. Sabres could use his hands around the net.
Fabbro. Need more defenseman.
 
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