Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

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Bertuzzi to Boston. I wouldve liked him in the top-9 even though he's been injured this year and isnt producing as well. Im assuming the cost will be pretty expensive, though.

Im surprised DET is dealing within the division. It seems like they're waiving the white flag, but maybe theyre getting ammo for a major move.

Edit: just saw Bertuzzi is a UFA after this season, so I understand skipping out on him. Id be intrigued about signing him in the offseason, though he'll probably command too much.
 
People expected NJ to be good because they've been adding their core through UFA and trades for 2-3 years, not sitting on their hands like Adams. Our drafted players are basically equal to NJ. But if you look at our UFA and trade acquisitions the past 3 years it's NJ by a landslide.

When Buffalo turns up a Graves or even better a Siegenthaler in trade, I may do a hand stand let alone a Vanacek or Meier
 
I think the biggest move Adams could make is goalie. Better than any defenseman.

Demko anyone?
 
Reason for no big trades is because adams building a team through draft if we would have our team like tampa etc then he Will make the trades But we arent in That situationen . Next season we are in a better position to make trades. You cant make any trades now because you dont trade rosen Kulich Ostlund Johnson Savoie and you dont trade first round picksBecause they are the players that adams is bringing into our lineup. So people here on forum have the wrong approach while adams have the correct mindset and when people here say he dont do anything he does so much and following the gameplan without doing stupid trades like for evander Kane and bogosian or trading 1 round picks for lehner just because we need a goalie. That is very stupid gm trades that set you back
"Building through the draft" is such bull**** and is an excuse for teams that don't want to put the 100% into an effort to win. It gives them a built-in excuse for not making moves to improve their team. Every year you're getting a draft, every year is you are making decisions to replenish players. It's a constant build for organizations. Most players, you're not going to see in the NHL. Do you honestly think that once Adams is ready to compete and become "aggressive" he's going to just flush draft capital down the drain, no.

Adams has made 33 Draft selections in 4 drafts. 6 of those were defenseman, 2 of them being drafted in the top 3 rounds; one being Power the other Johnson. A position that was very bare in our pipeline before he got here. A position that teams are constantly hurting for because of their value. If one is "building through the draft" one might want to make sure that position is strong in quality and quantity. And there's a question mark on the other defenseman that he drafted in the 1st round signing with us, which shouldn't be a thing , with how little drafted talent he probably would need to compete with. Our hopeful player, Joker, who was brought in via trade, that we hoped would help solidify a top 4, has regressed. What's left are 1 All-Star, 1 promising rookie, and a bunch of 5-6 defenseman on any other team.

When you are so weak at a position, you need to have placeholders in the meantime to allow your drafted prospects, that you want to "build with", to develop and not be rushed (and by rushed I mean not being given a spot within 2 years being drafted). But at the same time, you also need to oversee a competing roster, which Adams currently has. Right now, they are just outside the playoffs. They had an opportunity to improve their team today, and for the next two years at what appears to be a pretty cheap cost. Buffalo has the room, and assets to give up to acquire said placeholder, or at the very least acquire an asset to use down the line if they need to replenish said draft capital. If we're at a point where we are afraid of giving up assets because we need to worry about keeping those assets to deal with the holes that have existed before Adams got here, and he did absolutely nothing to solve that, then we are screwed. It's not stopping a NJ team that stated their rebuild around the time we started ours, and it's not stopping a team like Ottawa who is running things on the cheap.

Developing teams don't develop on a fixed timeline. There isn't a start or stopping point. They also aren't built 100% through the draft. Opportunities come and go. Right now, Adams best move he's made when an opportunity came up, was getting Jost. He hasn't jumped on many others and he just missed a really solid opportunity to help address short and long term issues.
 
I wonder if Adams did not really like Chychrun as a fit given that they have Power and Dahlin.

Chychrun wouldn't get the PP time he has been used to and is not a defensive D like Samuelsson.

So, while in a vacuum, Chychrun is better than their 3rd pairing guys and even Jokiharju and Boosh, I can also see the Sabres interest in him being overblown due to the fit not exactly being there.

:dunno:
I could get that, because that's what I think, but once Ekholm (who did fit the need) was traded, the price for Chychrun became a reasonable move.

Here is the thing. If they didn't think he was the right fit, then why were they even in on it?
 
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No you need to predict, Thompson and cozens was easy to know they would be good Dahlin and power is also , quinn and Peterka is also easy ti know. Do you cant go out trade for meir when you know someone else needs that cash in 2 years, that is bad gm
No that's a pro-active GM, a GM that has a plan but can deviate from said plan when the need arises. A GM who can make the team better now and in the future is better than a GM who doesn't.
 
I think the biggest move Adams could make is goalie. Better than any defenseman.

Demko anyone?
I am wary of Demko's injury history and his performance this year, but I would respect the move, even if it doesn't work out.

I still wonder if Saros is actually off the table or if he is off the table.....except for a great offer. Vejmelka is also still a possibility but he has less track record.
 
No you need to predict, Thompson and cozens was easy to know they would be good Dahlin and power is also , quinn and Peterka is also easy ti know. Do you cant go out trade for meir when you know someone else needs that cash in 2 years, that is bad gm

Watching how Tampa, Carolina and Boston have done business shows teams that make it fit. Watch how the best operate and emulate them. If they had to bridge one of the kids, do it then. If it pushes someone out, flip them for more futures to use in trade for specific contract and style fits. Or they stratify their salary structure and enroll people in taking payroll at a level of where they fit in.

Waiting because of fear of what they might one day make is not prudent either. It's wasteful.
 
I'm all for patience if waiting can lead to a better result. In this case though, there is no amount of development or patience that's going to make the back half of our D as good as it needs to be to compete. And you can't count on getting a better opportunity to acquire a top defenseman than we missed this week.

A good leader needs to be agile, understand the teams needs, and capitalize on opportunities to address those needs. Maybe Adams does it in the future, sure. Maybe this summer he'll have a change of heart and realize what he needs to do and the perfect player will become available for a reasonable price.

Maybe he'll be forced to do it after we're mired in mediocrity for another year or two because, despite being one of the top scoring teams in the league, we still can't keep the puck out of our own net. Something to look forward to I guess. Just be patient!
 
I am wary of Demko's injury history and his performance this year, but I would respect the move, even if it doesn't work out.

I still wonder if Saros is actually off the table or if he is off the table.....except for a great offer. Vejmelka is also still a possibility but he has less track record.
Didn't he play recently against Dallas? Not a bad game for just getting back. His age and experience is what we need. Bigger impact potentially than anything else Adams could do.

Yeah, I would respect that move big time!
 
This is a bit revisionist. Their pre-season power rankings for multiple sources had them floating between 24 and 26 out of 32. Them being good was so unexpected it spawned multiple main boards threads of people asking when they will inevitably collapse. People definitely didn't expect them to be good before the season started.
Sorry, I was being extra heavy on the sarcasm.

NJ was expected to be where we are. They were expected to be in competition for a playoff spot.
 
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