Trade Deadline Thread (March 3)

[Dubi Doo]

No. No Savoie, no Ostlund.

I would not be willing to give up Savoie.


I wouldn't be willing to give up 3 early rounds picks and Rosen in a deal for one guy.

Kulich would also be tough for me to see us part with. I havent watched him a ton, but what he's doing in the AHL is amazing to see for such a young kid.

So, it bodes the question- would you guys be willing to part with one of Kulich, Savoie, Rosen, or Ostlund + a 1st for Chychrun because Im assuming Arizona will want one of our big-4 forward prospects + a 1st.

 

[Chainshot]

Kulich would also be tough for me to see us part with. I havent watched him a ton, but what he's doing in the AHL is amazing to see for such a young kid.

So, it bodes the question- would you guys be willing to part with one of Kulich, Savoie, Rosen, or Ostlund + a 1st for Chychrun because Im assuming Arizona will want one of our big-4 forward prospects + a 1st.

Kulich is also a big no. I was operating from that being a given.

They can ask all they want, make the deal using draft picks and a more b-list prospect. No need to dip into the high-end guys at all.

 

[Jim Bob]

Kulich would also be tough for me to see us part with. I havent watched him a ton, but what he's doing in the AHL is amazing to see for such a young kid.

So, it bodes the question- would you guys be willing to part with one of Kulich, Savoie, Rosen, or Ostlund + a 1st for Chychrun because Im assuming Arizona will want one of our big-4 forward prospects + a 1st.

I am operating under the assumption that Adams is unwilling to move Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund, or Kulich at this point.

I would probably be willing to put Rosen and the '24 BUF 1st as the main two pieces of a deal for Chychrun. But, I don't know if Adams would be willing to go there.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Kulich is also a big no. I was operating from that being a given.

They can ask all they want, make the deal using draft picks and a more b-list prospect. No need to dip into the high-end guys at all.

Off topic- but that 2022 draft is looking legit, and could reap big-time benefits when we're *hopefully contending in 3 years or so. Cheap, young talent will be vital when paying our big name players.

I have to give Adams credit on his drafting- he's brought in Quinn, Peterka, Kulich, Savoie, Ostlund, etc...

Not bad at all.

 

[LetsGoBuffalo1126]

I am in complete agreement that a '24 1st and Rosen being the main pieces of a Chychrun deal are perfect. Play with the smaller pieces as you wish, but that would be perfect to me. Of course Armstrong is asking for one of the Big 3 from the last draft, but if I'm Adams, there's no way any of those three are on the table.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Kulich would also be tough for me to see us part with. I havent watched him a ton, but what he's doing in the AHL is amazing to see for such a young kid.

So, it bodes the question- would you guys be willing to part with one of Kulich, Savoie, Rosen, or Ostlund + a 1st for Chychrun because Im assuming Arizona will want one of our big-4 forward prospects + a 1st.

Rosen is the one I'd be most willing to part with. Buffalo already has a ton of young middle 6 wings right now and moving forward. I think Rosen could be a very solid 2nd or 3rd line wing in a few years, but I don't think he's going to push any of Skinner, Tuch, JJ, Quinn, Krebs or even Mittelstadt on the current roster, and think Kulich, Ostlund and Savoie are a bit more versatile in their ability to play either center or wing in the future along with Krebs and Mittelstadt also being able to play either position.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

I am in complete agreement that a '24 1st and Rosen being the main pieces of a Chychrun deal are perfect. Play with the smaller pieces as you wish, but that would be perfect to me. Of course Armstrong is asking for one of the Big 3 from the last draft, but if I'm Adams, there's no way any of those three are on the table.

This is also consistent with other trades this deadline…No one’s prime prospects have moved, even for Timo Meier. Rosen might be the best/highest picked one that would move

 

[toddkaz]

I am in complete agreement that a '24 1st and Rosen being the main pieces of a Chychrun deal are perfect. Play with the smaller pieces as you wish, but that would be perfect to me. Of course Armstrong is asking for one of the Big 3 from the last draft, but if I'm Adams, there's no way any of those three are on the table.

To be honest I don't think Adams is getting a better offer if thats whats on the table. If he was, Chyrchrun wouldn't be a coyote right now.

 

[Zman5778]

To be honest I don't think Adams is getting a better offer if thats whats on the table. If he was Chyrchrun wouldn't be a coyote right now.

I think Kaplan last night in one of the intermissions said straight out that two teams (or three maybe) have met Armstrong's asking price and now Armstrong is just holding out for the best deal......and that some other GMs don't understand WTF Armstrong is doing.

Armstrong sure seems like he's trying to extract every last drop of blood he can out of whoever he trades JC to.

 

[toddkaz]

I think Kaplan last night in one of the intermissions said straight out that two teams (or three maybe) have met Armstrong's asking price and now Armstrong is just holding out for the best deal......and that some other GMs don't understand WTF Armstrong is doing.

Armstrong sure seems like he's trying to extract every last drop of blood he can out of whoever he trades JC to.

If someone was offering up 4 pieces like the ask was at the beginning of the season, I think it was 2 1sts, A prospect young roster player and he doesn't pull the trigger then I hope they make a trade elsewhere and burn his greedy ass.

 

[Mattilaus]

I think Kaplan last night in one of the intermissions said straight out that two teams (or three maybe) have met Armstrong's asking price and now Armstrong is just holding out for the best deal......and that some other GMs don't understand WTF Armstrong is doing.

Armstrong sure seems like he's trying to extract every last drop of blood he can out of whoever he trades JC to.

It doesn't seem to be working as suitors keep dropping out and going with alternatives. People don't like playing games.

 

[Fezzy126]

I am in complete agreement that a '24 1st and Rosen being the main pieces of a Chychrun deal are perfect. Play with the smaller pieces as you wish, but that would be perfect to me. Of course Armstrong is asking for one of the Big 3 from the last draft, but if I'm Adams, there's no way any of those three are on the table.

That's where I'm at as well.

My base offer would be:
1) Rosen
2) 2024 1st (top 10 protected)
3) 2023 2nd (preferably not Philly's)

If they demand more, my throw-ins would be:
4) Roster player - VO/Bryson/Asplund
5) Any future picks after 2023 - R3 or lower
6) Any of the unsigned C-level prospects

I'd also consider a UPL for Vejmelka swap as part of the package.

If that's not good enough I'm walking away.

 

[stokes84]

So, take it FWIW, but I was texting with a friend who used to work with Adams, and I said “I would package those 1st rounders from last year in a package for Meier, Saros or Chychrun in a heartbeat” and the response was “I think KA would too”. So, just saying. I don’t think Adams is wedded to those prospects the way people think he is.

 

[Mattilaus]

So, take it FWIW, but I was texting with a friend who used to work with Adams, and I said “I would package those 1st rounders from last year in a package for Meier, Saros or Chychrun in a heartbeat” and the response was “I think KA would too”. So, just saying. I don’t think Adams is wedded to those prospects the way people think he is.

If this was the case I feel like a deal would be done already.

 

[LetsGoBuffalo1126]

That's where I'm at as well.

My base offer would be:
1) Rosen
2) 2024 1st (top 10 protected)
3) 2023 2nd (preferably not Philly's)

If they demand more, my throw-ins would be:
4) Roster player - VO/Bryson/Asplund
5) Any future picks after 2023 - R3 or lower
6) Any of the unsigned C-level prospects

I'd also consider a UPL for Vejmelka swap as part of the package.

If that's not good enough I'm walking away.

Agreed, and my guess is that's what's holding-up any potential deal is Armstrong just playing the field with any type of offer that's already on the table. He's in no hurry to make the trade as he really doesn't have to at this deadline anyway. He's just waiting to see if someone blinks in the last moment. Thankfully, teams that could've been in on this are starting to look at other options.

 

[stokes84]

If this was the case I feel like a deal would be done already.

I mean, he has a duty to play hardball. But I wouldn’t clutch those picks (especially Savoie and Ostlund) as untouchable. I do think Kulich is the best of the three.

 

[Dingo44]

He’s playing hardball. Better than giving them the whole farm like Murray.

I don't even want to know what a Murray trade for Chychrun would look like.

 

[Beerz]

Just noticed we can see embedded Twitter links while using DuckDuckGo browser again .. not sure what happened but I like it.

 

[Chainshot]

Stokes, you know better than to try to claim unsubstantiated insider info. Come on, man.

 

[Selanne00008]

I don't even want to know what a Murray trade for Chychrun would look like.

Rosen, 2023 1st, 2024 1st, Ostlund + Kulich. BUT Savoie is OFF the table!!!!! lol

 

[stokes84]

Stokes, you know better than to try to claim unsubstantiated insider info. Come on, man.

I mean, it’s not really insider as he doesn’t work for the team and was just offering his opinion because he knows him. But if it’s bad, please delete, and sorry.

 

[Gabrielor]

So, take it FWIW, but I was texting with a friend who used to work with Adams, and I said “I would package those 1st rounders from last year in a package for Meier, Saros or Chychrun in a heartbeat” and the response was “I think KA would too”. So, just saying. I don’t think Adams is wedded to those prospects the way people think he is.

I'd SERIOUSLY bet it depends on the prospect. He's going to hold much tighter to Levi (his only goalie plan), Kulich (insane season), and Savoie (his last top 10 prospect likely) moreso than the others.

Also, I dk if I buy that in general. If Adams is willing to do 1st-23+Rosen, this deal was done months ago.

 

[Dingo44]

I think Kaplan last night in one of the intermissions said straight out that two teams (or three maybe) have met Armstrong's asking price and now Armstrong is just holding out for the best deal......and that some other GMs don't understand WTF Armstrong is doing.

Armstrong sure seems like he's trying to extract every last drop of blood he can out of whoever he trades JC to.

If this is the case he's playing himself. I bet a couple of those teams were Edmonton and LA and they both were like F this - I can't play games - and went in other directions. I think this is what Adams is betting on - he's not desperate like those teams so he can afford to wait. Unlike a lot of these other teams he's playing the long game and that allows him patience.

In two years if we're on the brink of a Cup it's a different story but this year we can wait and get the right deal.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I wonder if this is the basis of Adams' offer to Armstrong:

'24 BUF 1st
Ryan Johnson (2nd 1st round equivalent)
NHL Roster D [Bryson or Clague]
Portillo
B or C tier prospect [Kisakov as an example]

And Armstrong wants 2 of '23 BUF 1st and Rosen, Savoie, Ostlund, or Kulich instead of the '24 1st and Johnson.

Probably right. And I'd consider moving something like the '24 pick & Adams choice of those former first rounders as a sensible / fair compromise...

 

[stokes84]

Suddenly Provorov’s name is being floated, and I wonder if this is happening to make Arizona flinch.