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29Potvin

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Leafs don’t need a goalie
We also do not have 14-16mil in dead cap space after this season and only have this season as our window. Crazy that people cant see this! Outside of MAF who didn't want to play for a Canadian team what goalie was an up grade over what we have? Bring in MAF and Soup out plays him and they both walk this summer. making a move to make a move isn't always the best path forward
 

LionsHeart

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I’m very happy with what the Rangers did. Their forward group lacked depth and they got they in spades. They have a really Bottom 6 now, plus they’ll be getting Kakko back in a few weeks. I also like the Braun pickup. He’ll be really helpful in the playoffs.

Florida and Colorado are loooooaded. I think those two teams are a cut above the rest. I also like what Tampa and Carolina did. The Penguins getting Rakell is a good move too. The east is going to be an absolute bloodbath to get through. There’s no easy path to the cup finals.

I really like what Montreal did too.
 

Adam Michaels

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Canadiens trades heading to the TDL:

OUT: Toffoli, Chiarot, Kulak, Lehkonen & Hammond

IN:
2 x 1st round picks (2022 & 2023)
2 x 2nd round picks (2022* & 2024): the 2022 2nd could end up a 2023 2nd
1 x 4th round pick (2022)
1 x 5th round pick (2023)
1 x 7th round pick (2024)
Emil Heineman
Ty Smilanic
Justin Barron
Tyler Pitlick
Nate Schnarr
Will Lagesson


Very good job maximizing on expiring contracts. And also moving Toffoli, who still has term without retention.
 

Pongs21

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Jets are an odd one and we had a busy day. We are not contenders and sold our main piece in Copp, but we also bought replacements as backup in case we make the playoffs by accident. The Copp deal was okay, and we didn't trade Stastny (maybe he re-signs?). We still only have 7 draft picks this year, or 8 if NYR makes the 3rd round with Copp. Overall a lot of meh, so I give us a C+.

In:
Mason Appleton
Zach Sanford
Morgan Barron
2nd round pick (NYR, conditionally a 1st)
2nd round pick (NYR)
4th round pick (Arizona)
5th round pick (NYR)
7th round pick (Pittsburgh, conditional and probably not coming)

Out:
Nathan Smith
Bryan Little's contract
Andrew Copp
Nathan Beaulieu
4th round pick (Appleton trade)
5th round pick (Sanford trade)
6th round pick (Copp trade)
I give us a B+ simply for the fact we are now out of LTIR for the next few years, giving us lots of flexibility and cap space moving into the offseason. I would have gave us an A if stats was traded for a 2nd plus. We also got rid of boo.
If the Copp trade was suggested when it was believed to be a buyers market, we would been laughed at, even if we kept 50% of the contract. Chevy did well and gave people from the sell crowd and buy crowd a little something, all while fixing our LTIR mess for the future. Probably one of his best deadlines in a while
 
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flyfysher

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Just off the top, I’d say Panthers, Avs, Wild, Ducks (especially if the Dadanov deal goes through) and Bolts did really well.

As an Avs fan, I was relieved that a lot of the trades went out East where the POs will be a blood bath.
 

RationalExpectations

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For the East :
Don't hesitate to give me your thoughts : :)

The idea is for a contender : have I improved, if so was it cost efficient ?
The idea for a rebuilder : did I manage to sell enough ?
C is average, A great, E really bad

Atlantic :
FLA : A+ (they go all in but they are stacked Defensively with a good mix of PMDs an physical guys, best offensive depth in the NHL I'd say)
TBL : A+ (while your window is open, why close it ? they are stacked again with Hagel and Paul being added to their bottom 6, may be weaker w/o Palat next year but TBL always finds a way)
TOR : B (adding for a relatively low cost Giordano will make them better defensively and Blackwell is a great two way guy that should improve their PK and give them flexibility. However, they did not address the area of need : goaltending, also another scoring winger would have been nice for offensive depth)
BOS : B (great adding and signing Lindholm, however C depth still seem weaker than other contenders)
DET : C (not much to work with, got a 2nd back for Leddy, which they acquired for a 2nd, maybe they can make something out of Sundqvist and sell him at next TDL / make him part of their LT team)
BUF : D (did not manage to advertise their UFAs for mid picks)
OTT : D (puzzling moves and paying assets for Hamonic, I like Joseph though, hoped for more depth moves out)
MTL : A (great start to the rebuild but failed to trade some cap out)

Metro :
CAR : B+ (hard to see what they could improve, maybe defensive depth for the playoffs, maybe add another scoring forward or a center to put Staal on te 4th line, but adding Domi at a bargain cost was already a good cheap gamble, potential steal with KK next contract)
NYR : A- (Copp for 3C, Motte for 4th line grit, Vatrano are all great moves, I would have preferred somebody better than Braun as D reinforcements but eh their window just opened and maybe they trust Schneider enough but I am not convinced by Nemeth!)
PIT : C+ (Rakell is a nice add but this team should go all in, I would have loved a move for a scoring winger / a top 4D)
WSH : D (the trades don't make them better and they may have overpaid slightly, same as PIT I believe they should have gone all in)
CBJ : C (not much to say, maybe not much to sell in the second season of this rebuild, but disappointed by the Domi trade for CBJ)
NYI : E (no sell, despite not being able to contend and having so many middle six wingers, maybe the term prevented some moves but still...)
PHI : B+ (don't really like the Ristolainen deal, don't see where this team will go in the future but they're not contending and they managed to get a 1st for Giroux in spite of his NTC and managed to sell 2 other UFAs for picks, surprised Jones /yandle found no sellers)
NJD : C (no UFA to trade really, nothing happened)
 
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frederixx

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Leafs -B

Didn’t overpay for Gio
Upgraded the bottom 6

They apparently made an offer for Fleury but Fleury nixed it.

Let’s be honest, they aren’t winning the East…so I’m glad Dubas didn’t waste a bunch of assets.

They aren't winning the East cause their weaknesses weren't addressed by Dubas. It's that simple! They have top forwards and with the right pieces, they'd probably be as good any other contenders. Their GM failed to address their biggest need and also get some needed depth. A Perry kind of player who could taught them what sacrifices they need to do. Their fans deserve better than this, no?

I always thought Dubas was a failure since day 1, but that's only my opinion and he seems to be liked by most leafs fans
 

Jumptheshark

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The two teams who need a goalie the most, Oils and Leafs, didnt do shit to adress the position.

6th season of McDrai and 5th season of Matthews/Marner and both teams are stagnating.

Why not pony up the 1st rounder? Like... What do you have to lose? You won't finish low because of your elite players anyway.

Look at Minnesota. They have less elite talent than those teams and yet they are hungry and want to do damage in the playoffs while Dubas and Holland are dozing off at the wheel, steering a bit to the right towards the first exit...
MAF was never going to either Edmonton or the big smoke
 
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ManofSteel55

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The two teams who need a goalie the most, Oils and Leafs, didnt do shit to adress the position.

6th season of McDrai and 5th season of Matthews/Marner and both teams are stagnating.

Why not pony up the 1st rounder? Like... What do you have to lose? You won't finish low because of your elite players anyway.

Look at Minnesota. They have less elite talent than those teams and yet they are hungry and want to do damage in the playoffs while Dubas and Holland are dozing off at the wheel, steering a bit to the right towards the first exit...
I won't speak for the Leafs, but for the Oilers, the only goalie that was traded that was an upgrade on what we have is Fleury, and rumour is that he didn't want to go to Canada. Not much point in throwing a 1st at a guy who would be our new backup.
 

BLNY

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For the East :
Don't hesitate to give me your thoughts : :)

The idea is for a contender : have I improved, if so was it cost efficient ?
The idea for a rebuilder : did I manage to sell enough ?
C is average, A great, E really bad

Atlantic :

MTL : A (great start to the rebuild but failed to trade some cap out)
There's no rush here. Trading cap on contracts with term isn't easy to do during the season. That said, it appears they did come close with Weber and perhaps Petry. Hughes has been rather candid in that Petry is available, but he's not giving him away. These will likely be sorted out by the draft.
 

RationalExpectations

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There's no rush here. Trading cap on contracts with term isn't easy to do during the season. That said, it appears they did come close with Weber and perhaps Petry. Hughes has been rather candid in that Petry is available, but he's not giving him away. These will likely be sorted out by the draft.
I agree which is why I said A and not A+, would have been the cherry on the top :)
 

Mohar Ikram

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For the East :
Don't hesitate to give me your thoughts : :)

The idea is for a contender : have I improved, if so was it cost efficient ?
The idea for a rebuilder : did I manage to sell enough ?
C is average, A great, E really bad

Atlantic :
FLA : A+ (they go all in but they are stacked Defensively with a good mix of PMDs an physical guys, best offensive depth in the NHL I'd say)
TBL : A+ (while your window is open, why close it ? they are stacked again with Hagel and Paul being added to their bottom 6, may be weaker w/o Palat next year but TBL always finds a way)
TOR : B (adding for a relatively low cost Giordano will make them better defensively and Blackwell is a great two way guy that should improve their PK and give them flexibility. However, they did not address the area of need : goaltending, also another scoring winger would have been nice for offensive depth)
BOS : B (great adding and signing Lindholm, however C depth still seem weaker than other contenders)
DET : C (not much to work with, got a 2nd back for Leddy, which they acquired for a 2nd, maybe they can make something out of Sundqvist and sell him at next TDL / make him part of their LT team)
BUF : D (did not manage to advertise their UFAs for mid picks)
OTT : D (puzzling moves and paying assets for Hamonic, I like Joseph though, hoped for more depth moves out)
MTL : A (great start to the rebuild but failed to trade some cap out)

Metro :
CAR : B+ (hard to see what they could improve, maybe defensive depth for the playoffs, maybe add another scoring forward or a center to put Staal on te 4th line, but adding Domi at a bargain cost was already a good cheap gamble, potential steal with KK next contract)
NYR : A- (Copp for 3C, Motte for 4th line grit, Vatrano are all great moves, I would have preferred somebody better than Braun as D reinforcements but eh their window just opened and maybe they trust Schneider enough but I am not convinced by Nemeth!)
PIT : C+ (Rakell is a nice add but this team should go all in, I would have loved a move for a scoring winger / a top 4D)
WSH : D (the trades don't make them better and they may have overpaid slightly, same as PIT I believe they should have gone all in)
CBJ : C (not much to say, maybe not much to sell in the second season of this rebuild, but disappointed by the Domi trade for CBJ)
NYI : E (no sell, despite not being able to contend and having so many middle six wingers, maybe the term prevented some moves but still...)
PHI : B+ (don't really like the Ristolainen deal, don't see where this team will go in the future but they're not contending and they managed to get a 1st for Giroux in spite of his NTC and managed to sell 2 other UFAs for picks, surprised Jones /yandle found no sellers)
Poor NJD... Gone, reduce to atoms
 

gump116

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Habs had the best deadline. They got top dollar on all their moves. Have to hand it too Hughes, he clearly knows how to max a return on a player.
Jeff Gorton really knows what he's doing too. Put together half the Bruins core in less than 1 season and set the Rangers up with a nice, relatively short rebuild. Habs will be a good team in a few years.
 

shadow1

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Out: Justin Barron, Drew Helleson, Tyson Jost, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd, 2024 5th
In: Andrew Cogliano, Artturi Lehkonen, Josh Manson, Nico Sturm

Solid B+/A-

I thought the trade value was decent and the NHL roster is improved quite a bit.
 

Ace Card Bedard

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Feb 11, 2012
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Leafs -B

Didn’t overpay for Gio
Upgraded the bottom 6

They apparently made an offer for Fleury but Fleury nixed it.

Let’s be honest, they aren’t winning the East…so I’m glad Dubas didn’t waste a bunch of assets.


I don't believe Fleury nixed anything.

The offer supposedly was:

Hagel and Fleury
for
Mrazek, Knies, and two 1sts


Dubas declined.
It never made it any futher than that and Fleury was never asked about waiving for Toronto for this potential deal.
 

HarrisonFord

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Im sure he is intelligent, he just has no clue how to build a hockey team, wrong carreer.

Im giving Tampa a A+++ grade for setting up the market on Lehkonen, thank you Brisebois!!

He should have adressed the goaltending situation way before the trade deadline, giving away 2nd rounders for Giordano is pointless with poor goaltending.
I’d argue patience is possibly the correct move here. Especially if this rib injury has been bothering him for an extended period of time. He’s never had a stretch like this in his career. I’d put more importance into the first 100 games of his career vs the last 20. I think he’s better than how he has been the last 20 games, but not as good as the first 2 months of this year. And the leafs only need league average goaltending to win. They’ve gone 19-10-3 since Jan 1 with the worst goaltending in the league since that point
 

Habs Halifax

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Surprise to see they kept Byron, Hoffman

Habs will continue to look for deals and new teams for them. They got term left so we don't have to move them for meh offers. I think we will look to move Petry and Hoffman this summer. Weber as well so it gives us the cap flexilibty we prefer.

Then we might move Byron, Drouin, and maybe Dvorak at the next deadline.
 

Goldenhands

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I’d argue patience is possibly the correct move here. Especially if this rib injury has been bothering him for an extended period of time. He’s never had a stretch like this in his career. I’d put more importance into the first 100 games of his career vs the last 20. I think he’s better than how he has been the last 20 games, but not as good as the first 2 months of this year. And the leafs only need league average goaltending to win. They’ve gone 19-10-3 since Jan 1 with the worst goaltending in the league since that point
Thats right for the regular season, not for the playoffs. You rarely see teams succeed in playoffs with average goaltending.
 

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