Value of: Trade deadline grades

[Boss Man Hughes]

Nah.... tearing down and selling the juiciest bits to the highest bidder isn't that hard. Yes, he got good assets in return, but this was the easy part.

If even one long-term contract like Petry or Hoffman was gone without a bad contract coming back, I'd be far happier. I mean, I like the trades, but the tough part is yet to come.

Where are you going to find a team with cap room at the trade deadline. Moving players with term is an off season job unless you give them away. And some of them (Gallagher) you won't even be able to give away.

 

[pth2]

Where are you going to find a team with cap room at the trade deadline. Moving players with term is an off season job unless you give them away. And some of them (Gallagher) you won't even be able to give away.

Hey, I don't give top grades for just doing things which are easy enough.

 

[Glorydays22]

Arizona - Solid B

I surprisingly liked the Arizona moves....Good for them.

 

[OneSniffTwoSniff]

Leafs A+++++++++++++++++++++++ (Gio trade)

Habs A +
Chicago A+
Rangers A
Florida A-

Seattle D
Dallas D
Lighting E
NYI E


Vegas F

 

[ponder719]

Flyers: Fire Chuck Fletcher/10. Extending Ristolainen instead of trading him, given what defensemen were going for at the TDL, was malpractice. Mayhew going away was irrelevant. Braun brought back slightly less than I expected, Brassard brought back slightly less than I expected, Jones should have been traded and wasn't, and while the return for Giroux was, at worst, a bit underwhelming, everything I've heard surrounding the deal (Schmuck immediately shutting down multiple teams rather than using those offers as negotiating tactics, the offer from Florida being apparently worse than at least Colorado and Boston's offers, G reportedly offering to expand his list to destinations beyond Florida if Fletcher would guarantee a return to Philly, which he refused to do, rumors that they don't even want him back at all because they want "a more vocal captain") leaves me furious with the franchise.

 

[kinghock]

Leafs A+++++++++++++++++++++++ (Gio trade)

Habs A +
Chicago A+
Rangers A
Florida A-

Seattle D
Dallas D
Lighting E
NYI E


Vegas F

LA A+

They had no need to make trade for JC or Garland

Hopefully they will make trade or two for elite goalie prospects at the draft

 

[GuerinUp]

I personally think the wild got an A. They shored up nearly all their weaknesses, and should be a much stronger team at a very minimal cost

 

[57special]

Hopefully Gorton has been working on finding more scouts, building an analytics dept, and on almost every dept as they are all undermanned or non existent.

Absolutely. Nice to have picks, but if you make shitty ones... it's hard enough guessing which 18 yo is going to be a good NHL'er even when you have great scouts. Look at Lafreniere on the one hand, Lundell on the other. Would ANYONE have foreseen that Lundell would be the better player only two years after the draft?

 

[stator]

Sharks- D
Bought high on Kahkonen, didnt deal UFA Barabanov, didnt deal unimportant guys like Nieto or Bonino, got fair value for Cogliano, traded for a useless AHLer

I would have given them a D- or F+. In the Sharks defense, their front office is in disarray. It's worse than their defense on the ice. They were not really in much of a position to make very good trades with their GM out for several months now.

 

[Daz28]

We also do not have 14-16mil in dead cap space after this season and only have this season as our window. Crazy that people cant see this! Outside of MAF who didn't want to play for a Canadian team what goalie was an up grade over what we have? Bring in MAF and Soup out plays him and they both walk this summer. making a move to make a move isn't always the best path forward

What is this $14-16m in dead cap space you're talking about? Also, it's a fact that the longer a team spends in the middle, the worse off it is for them. Other than the $1.2m coming off the books for Kessel, there's nothing positive about the cap situation for them next year.

 

[Double Dion]

LA A+

They had no need to make trade for JC or Garland

Hopefully they will make trade or two for elite goalie prospects at the draft

What would you think of a trade like Dustin Wolf and Sean Monahan for a 2nd in 2022 and 3rd in 2023? Monahan is a cap dump, but Wolf is a pretty exciting goalie prospect. Definitely top 3 in the league. He's 20 and the top goalie in the AHL. You might be able to recoup a 3rd for Monahan at the TDL.

 

[29Potvin]

What is this $14-16m in dead cap space you're talking about? Also, it's a fact that the longer a team spends in the middle, the worse off it is for them. Other than the $1.2m coming off the books for Kessel, there's nothing positive about the cap situation for them next year.

We have contracts that are very movable and that would open space and could be replaced by ELC. Gio has said he wants to play two more year and be in TO so he will sign for cheap and i'm sure Boosh could be had for a cheaper deal and replace Holl if trade

 

[Daz28]

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We have contracts that are very movable and that would open space and could be replaced by ELC. Gio has said he wants to play two more year and be in TO so he will sign for cheap and i'm sure Boosh could be had for a cheaper deal and replace Holl if trade

Not sure what MIN cap problems have to do with the Leafs, but ok. The "moveable" contract would be Willy, I'm guessing, but you're getting good production for that contract. Boosh will be looking for a decent contract, he's 27. Gio will be 39, and while he may come cheap, you might not be getting value there. Bottom line for me is Dubas had a glaring need, and didn't address it, because he'd rather stick around the middle longer as Tavares and Muzz age. If he sneaks into the playoffs in 7th or 8th, then gets bumped, because of poor goaltending, then as a fan that wouldn't be good enough for me, just to save a late 1st.

 

[29Potvin]

Not sure what MIN cap problems have to do with the Leafs, but ok. The "moveable" contract would be Willy, I'm guessing, but you're getting good production for that contract. Boosh will be looking for a decent contract, he's 27. Gio will be 39, and while he may come cheap, you might not be getting value there. Bottom line for me is Dubas had a glaring need, and didn't address it, because he'd rather stick around the middle longer as Tavares and Muzz age. If he sneaks into the playoffs in 7th or 8th, then gets bumped, because of poor goaltending, then as a fan that wouldn't be good enough for me, just to save a late 1st.

I responded to a poster saying the Leafs didn't need a goalie and i agreed that we didn't to pay the higher price for what maybe a lateral move. I stated that having 12-14mil in dead space and a better chance for a run this year made sense.
The point is Minny had more reason to offer what could be a first for MAF as they have a smaller window to go for it and what many believe and easier path. They also had the fact that he was willing to go to them. Same reason the Burins paid so little for Hall last year is because thats the only place Hall wanted to go.
Say MAF sucks and plays the first two games and Soup or Petr replace him is the pick still worth it because he did something? No people will say he wasted a first.

 

[Daz28]

I responded to a poster saying the Leafs didn't need a goalie and i agreed that we didn't to pay the higher price for what maybe a lateral move. I stated that having 12-14mil in dead space and a better chance for a run this year made sense.
The point is Minny had more reason to offer what could be a first for MAF as they have a smaller window to go for it and what many believe and easier path. They also had the fact that he was willing to go to them. Same reason the Burins paid so little for Hall last year is because thats the only place Hall wanted to go.
Say MAF sucks and plays the first two games and Soup or Petr replace him is the pick still worth it because he did something? No people will say he wasted a first.

A whole bunch of teams are going to not win the cup. That doesn't mean they all wasted picks, because it gave them a chance. Now if the particular guy you traded the first for was the problem, then yes. Otherwise, it could very much be a case of only taking half measures being the real problem. Myself, I don't think Gibson is going to be wanting to stay in Anaheim, while Verbeek toils away with late 2nd round picks. If I were Dubas, I'd have looked at throwing the kitchen sink at a signed franchise goalie. In the end, if the Leafs goaltending is clearly the issue, it's going to be a REALLY bad look on him, and the way the team is set up, the "there's always next year" mantra won't cut it.

 

[kinghock]

What would you think of a trade like Dustin Wolf and Sean Monahan for a 2nd in 2022 and 3rd in 2023? Monahan is a cap dump, but Wolf is a pretty exciting goalie prospect. Definitely top 3 in the league. He's 20 and the top goalie in the AHL. You might be able to recoup a 3rd for Monahan at the TDL.

Kings cannot afford $6,375,000 per year of Sean Monahan contract for 2 years.

They need to resign their own free agents (Kempe, Durzi, Vilardi, etc.).

Good luck to your team with moving his contract.

 

[Double Dion]

Kings cannot afford $6,375,000 per year of Sean Monahan contract for 2 years.

They need to resign their own free agents (Kempe, Durzi, Vilardi, etc.).

Good luck to your team with moving his contract.

1 year, not 2. But point taken. Seravelli said several teams were interested, but I can't fathom it. He's played like a 4C for a full season now and like a 3C last season.

 

[29Potvin]

A whole bunch of teams are going to not win the cup. That doesn't mean they all wasted picks, because it gave them a chance. Now if the particular guy you traded the first for was the problem, then yes. Otherwise, it could very much be a case of only taking half measures being the real problem. Myself, I don't think Gibson is going to be wanting to stay in Anaheim, while Verbeek toils away with late 2nd round picks. If I were Dubas, I'd have looked at throwing the kitchen sink at a signed franchise goalie. In the end, if the Leafs goaltending is clearly the issue, it's going to be a REALLY bad look on him, and the way the team is set up, the "there's always next year" mantra won't cut it.

i agree that trading for a clearcut upgrade you max out for if he has term and i posted on the leaf board he was the only golie i would risk futures for

 

[hockeyplayer999]

I wouldn’t give the Rangers an A. They didn’t get a replacement for Nemeth. He is terrible and they needed something better on the bottom pair.

 

[BLONG7]

Leafs A+++++++++++++++++++++++ (Gio trade)

Habs A +
Chicago A+
Rangers A
Florida A-

Seattle D
Dallas D
Lighting E
NYI E


Vegas F

Thinking if the Leafs got a goalie, you could go with A +++++++++++++++++
Grabbing an aging, vet will help, Gio is a good guy to have, but the goaltending issue almost screams at ya....

 

[Kaners PPGs]

Wrong. Campbell was real good, the best of toronto in the playoffs last season. Not a problem, but an assett. Mrazek has also won playoff series. These two will only get better. Toronto don't need goalies nore do they WANT ANY OF THEM MORE. Period.
Toronto's giordiano and blackwell bring intensity and charisma. Making them better. Lybucshkin is also a thuggish one. Killer really. Dubas and toronto gets B from me. Period.

Vancouver D. Columbus D. Colorado A-. Florida A. Calgary A-. Calgary and Minnesota are going to be tough monkeys in the west. Minny = A.

Love your optimism. Hope you're right.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Leafs A+++++++++++++++++++++++ (Gio trade)

Habs A +
Chicago A+
Rangers A
Florida A-

Seattle D
Dallas D
Lighting E
NYI E


Vegas F

I get that the Gio trade wasn't great but a D is quite strange.

Out:
Mark Giordano
Collin Blackwell
Calle Jarnkrok
Mason Appleton
Jeremy Lauzon
Marcus Johansson

In:
2022:
2nd round pick Toronto
2nd round pick Florida
2nd round pick Nashville
4th round pick Washington

2023:
2nd round pick Toronto
3rd round pick Calgary
4th round pick Winnipeg
6th round pick Washington

2024:
3rd round pick Toronto
7th round pick Calgary

Thanks to this trad deadline the Kraken now have 12 picks(6 of them in the top 70) in 2022, 13 picks in 2023(six in the top 3 rounds) and nine picks in 2024.

Those can be used to either move up, just select players or move picks(combined with the cap space we have) to bring in already established NHL players.