GDT: Trade Deadline Day

[Stephen]

It's 100% loser mentality. He chose this path and the team is in the mix for first in the Atlantic. What a terrible GM if that's his conclusion. This is a fast paced situation. Year 2 means you know what your team is. He shouldn't have bet on them in the off-season if he wasn't ready to chase a cup with them/

If he doesn't like what he see's, that's on him. And if that's his conclusion, he should blow it up, right? Right.

I don’t agree Dave. I’m not sure what to make of Treliving’s abilities as a GM but I do know Marner and Tavares have bullet proof contractual protection so blowing it up last summer was simply not an option available to to the organization.

So who knows what the determination was internally with those constraints in place? Maybe they decided to just run down the clock and let whatever play out play out.

We also have to move off this idea that “oh no we need to do something during this Matthews window” because there’s only X number of years left. It’s not a winning recipe. It’s debatable whether this window is open at all.

So I’m not that worried if we don’t get B. Schenn, Laughton or Ristolainen. Just like Foligno, L. Schenn, Giordano, O’Reilly, those guys can’t carry water for the Big 4. All we have on empirical evidence is Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and Rielly are big effing losers. Either individually or collectively. It’s not on anyone else.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

That or Rantanen is well aware of our habit of overpaying star forwards and figures that if any franchise is going to give him a $14 million AAV it’s the Leafs.

I don't believe it.

I believe Rantanen has FL in mind and we are being cucked in order to raise Florida's price, kind of like how the Jays are used in baseball.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Th


Our asset management really is atrocious.

Imagine letting Marner walk and gaining nothing.

Lol.

Its called Opportunity Cost in business. Which is why he needed to be moved before the NMC kicked in and no team would overpay for such a high salary

The big ticket replacement for his $13M asking price in the offseason will be who in effect the Leafs traded him for.

 

[Nineteen67]

Asking price from Florida - $10M AAV.

Asking price from Toronto - $14M AAV.

That’s about right but I think a little more from either team - 11.75 and 15

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[Divine]

Throughout this whole fan created saga, it's been widely reported that no, they have not and that they don't want to.

That's not what Bob said. Supposedly the Leafs know he's going to UFA, but he's unwilling to waive his NTC in a Rantanen trade so the Leafs will likely wait until the offseason and see if they can use Rantanen as Plan B - that's what Bob just said at least.

 

[Da Mash]

They asked him - he won't waive his NMC.

Thank Dubas for that.

So if they ask Mathews and Willy to waive and they say no .....is that Tre fault seeing how he also hands our NMC in contracts?

And why would Marner waive? He wants to be a leaf. Has always said so and if the leaf management cant agree to terms then Marner is a free agent and he has all the rights to be one. He owes the Leafs and Management nothing.

 

[Confucius]

Why would Knies take a bridge? It's more risk for him and he's already proven he's a powerforward who will score beside your best players

Why did Mathews sign a short deal? Besides Knies is an RFA and will be for 3 more years so he doesn’t have much choice. Then again we ARE talking about MLSE management negotiating this.

Better question is why would we walk him to UFA at the earliest moment possible?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

That or Rantanen is well aware of our habit of overpaying star forwards and figures that if any franchise is going to give him a $14 million AAV it’s the Leafs.

That...

OK honestly that checks out.

 

[X66]

Just look at the 'key' acquisitions we've made over the years compared to our Atlantic rivals. Only 2 years I'd say get an easy pass, ROR/McCabe and Muzzin years - but nothing else compares especially on the forward end...

Tampa

McDonagh
JT Miller
Coleman
Goodrow
Hagel
Paul
Duclair
Gourde
Bjorkstrand



Boston

Rick Nash
Coyle
Johansson
Kase
Hall
H.Lindholm
Orlov
Bertuzzi

Florida

Sam Bennett
Vatrano
Grioux
Tarasenko
Seth Jones

Leafs

Boyle
Plekanec
Muzzin(Big win at the time)
Foligno
Lybuskin x2
Giordano
O’Reilly (Big win at the time)
McCabe(Great)
Edmundson

 

[Community]

You don’t build a team at the trade deadline. You add pieces to an already great team to take a run

The leafs have far too many issues to successfully add here without destroying their draft/prospect pool.

They need a big summer of key additions and subtractions and reset it like Florida did a few years back.

Out:
Reilly
Domi
Reaves
Dewar
One of Marner or Tavares
Jarnkrok

That’s over $40 million in cap space freed up!!!!

In:
- a solid 3-4 defenseman or two
- 2-3 big forwards with scoring ability - Bennet as an example
- a solid 3rd line Center (if you keep Tavares)

Bonus:

- don’t spend to the cap and limit yourself. Keep some space to acquire assets when teams need to move pieces at a bargain. Give yourself $5 million as a buff

This leaves our defense with only one potential top pairing dman (Tanev, who could easily be a mediocre #4 in a year or two).

I'm strongly against trading Rielly given hes easily been our playoff MVP when you look at the entire Matthews era. However, if we do move on from Rielly, we NEED a top pairing dman (preferably a #1) coming back. OEL-Tanev is a not a contending top pairing and it's not crazy to think they may be better suited for the bottom pairing within a few years.

 

[tuckerintensity]

I read it as they would either do the following

1) Knies for Rantanen extended, but then they would go to Marner and ask him to waive so they can trade him today.

But they don't have to do that, so I'm not buying that it's holding them back. If you're prepared to let Marner walk without getting Rantanen, then you're prepared to let him walk with Rantanen.

Either they must have Marner as part of the deal (and then you don't need to trade Knies as part of the deal), or you don't have to ask him to waive his NMC.

 

[Leafsfan74]

No way Marchand costs less that a 1st Imo. I'd love for him to join though

A 36 year old headed to UFA?

I don't know.

 

[sxvnert]

AND a second from the sabres.

 

[Commander Clueless]

That's not what Bob said. Supposedly the Leafs know he's going to UFA, but he's unwilling to waive his NTC in a Rantanen trade so the Leafs will likely wait until the offseason and see if they can use Rantanen as Plan B - that's what Bob just said at least.

Oh great. Thanks Mitch. That's just great.

 

[cyris]

LMAO. How are the Sabre’s the team that is adding the pick?

They really are the worst run team in sports. I hate that it ultimately will make the Sens better tho

 

[Rare Jewel]

Well Bob said Marner is unwilling to waive his NTC - I assume that to mean they've at least asked him about the possibility.

I mean, that could be true, but it doesn't seem like they asked him to waive or even consider waiver last summer.

 

[Sypher04]

AND a second from the sabres.

I have no idea how they got a 2nd with Cozens for what they gave up.

 

[Divine]

So if they ask Mathews and Willy to waive and they say no .....is that Tre fault seeing how he also hands our NMC in contracts?

And why would Marner waive? He wants to be a leaf. Has always said so and if the leaf management cant agree to terms then Marner is a free agent and he has all the rights to be one. He owes the Leafs and Management nothing.

Yes, you can blame Treliving for the contracts he signed. You also blame Dubas for the contract he signed. I thought it was simple enough.

Marner wants to test UFA according to Bob McKenzie, doesn't seem he wants to remain a Leaf unless you know something the insiders don't?

 

[weems]

This leaves our defense with only one potential top pairing dman (Tanev, who could easily be a mediocre #4 in a year or two).

I'm strongly against trading Rielly given hes easily been our playoff MVP when you look at the entire Matthews era. However, if we do move on from Rielly, we NEED a top pairing dman (preferably a #1) coming back. OEL-Tanev is a not a contending top pairing and it's not crazy to think they may be better suited for the bottom pairing within a few years.

What happened to McCabe?

I'm assuming the McCabe - Tanev pairing will be kept together as they've had excellent results.

 

[Tony Romo]

If Rantanen is actually interested, I’d probably trade for his rights this offseason. Early.

 

[Divine]

So if they ask Mathews and Willy to waive and they say no .....is that Tre fault seeing how he also hands our NMC in contracts?

And why would Marner waive? He wants to be a leaf. Has always said so and if the leaf management cant agree to terms then Marner is a free agent and he has all the rights to be one. He owes the Leafs and Management nothing.

Yes, you can blame Treliving for the contracts he signed. You also blame Dubas for the contract he signed. I thought it was simple enough.

Marner wants to test UFA according to Bob McKenzie, doesn't seem he wants to remain a Leaf unless you know something the insiders don't?

 

[Ports]

The worst

Cowan + Minten/1st + Danford for Schenn at 4.5 m
or
1st/Minten for Laughton

I'd be fine with either of those deals.

I think the worst outcome is doing nothing though. Even Laughton + a depth RD would be a fine deadline.

I think they should pick one of the three. Marner has a Mem Cup and a 4N so he would be my choice if he has a decent playoffs. I’m not convinced any of them are good enough to lead a team but could be OK as secondary players.

Unfortunately they’re all paid to be front line players.

 

[JKG33]

If Rantanen wants to come to Toronto, tell Mitch to #PackYourShit. Either accept a trade now to Carolina and get acclimated with a new team, or walk as a UFA on July 1, but you won't be back next season regardless

[MOD]

 

[ULF_55]

Everything doesn't exist in a vacuum though. If Treliving proposes a 1st & Minten, etc. it also comes with cost of retention.

We'll see in a few hours how good Toronto's assets are, but my guess is that GMs are not buying what Tre is selling.

Retention hasn't been that costly.