Trade Deadline 23/24

[OMG67]

And, to tack on to what I was saying about the goaltending, I think we all can agree that Simpson is the strongest OA goalie in the OHL. His current stats playing on a strong team are similar/same as Donoso. And before you point to Ottawa‘s “system” keep in mind that Ottawa has one competent centre and three, maybe four competent D-Men. It has been the goaltending (MacKenzie and Donoso) that has saved that team this year and bailed them out from their lack of depth. The team itself is not as good as its record. The goaltending has been the smoke and mirrors keeping them atop the conference.

So, if you are trying to suggest that Donoso is an average goalie, I think you are mistaken. He is a first save machine. He doesn’t give up soft goals. He is solid in tight. He doesn’t give up bad rebounds. He gives his team a chance to win most every game. If a team in need of goaltending has an Open OA spot or can sacrifice one of their skaters for the overall net benefit of a team, he would be a very good option.

 

[dirty12]

Imo Donoso puts up pretty good stats on a very defence oriented team, that’s all; and while it might make sense for the ‘67s, I doubt the wolves are interested in a Goure, Krawchuk for Donoso plus picks trade.
I doubt the wolves can even afford the extra cards needed to make that deal happen.

So unless the ‘67s are adding Mayich to the mix, or a Thorton and Punnet deal becomes available, I think there is no OA goalie discussion to be had.

 

[Petes]

I really don’t see Beck making as big a difference as a goalie and a D-Man. Sudbury seems to be mostly the sum of their individual parts because they don’t seem to play a defensive minded system. Throw Beck into that system and they still get hemmed down low and scrambled in front of the net.

Donoso may be the third best OA goalie but he isn‘t the third best AVAILABLE OA Goalie. Wolves are late to the trough. Late to the trough, you get the scraps. I don’t think there is a strong non-OA goalie available. That market seems thin. They needed to hop on Simpson at the start of the season. Unless they maybe want to roll the dice on DiVin, I am not seeing any other options than rolling with Vandenburg. Wolves need to hope he is the answer because throwing a ton of assets away only to watch a goalie let in a bad one every game may be very tough to stomach.

We get it, you don’t think Beck is very good. You spend more time talking about the Petes players than Petes fans do… I don’t get it

 

[OnlyUpFromHere49]

Where are the updated pre-World Juniors Owen Beck trade candidate power rankings?

 

[Bra Wavers]

We get it, you don’t think Beck is very good. You spend more time talking about the Petes players than Petes fans do… I don’t get it

@OMG67 has a sour "Beck" taste in his mouth thanks to the injury-riddled time that Jack Beck had with the 67s.
I thought OMG67 knew that OWEN Beck is not related to JACK Beck but I guess he is just triggered by the name .
Heaven forbid Owen is traded to SSM and the 67s face the Greyhounds in the OHL final.........OMG67 will be on tilt!!

 

[bobber]

We get it, you don’t think Beck is very good. You spend more time talking about the Petes players than Petes fans do… I don’t get it

If the Petes trade Beck it's obvious he will garner a bunch of assets. He is considered one of the best forwards in Canada in his age group at this point in time. Every deadline the HF prognosticators come out and throw possible trades around. Most of the time we are shocked at who wins or loses these deals and how many assets where given up. GMs have to know when it's time to sell and get the most value for their players. Petes are in that spot. Beck if he is traded won't come cheap.

 

[OMG67]

We get it, you don’t think Beck is very good. You spend more time talking about the Petes players than Petes fans do… I don’t get it

That is not what I said. I said that Beck isn’t an automatic fit for every team simply because he is Owen Beck. Some teams have different needs that he doesn’t fit, or they have similar enough players performing similar production that he is more redundant. Those teams may be bette riff with a more elite goalie or defender.

 

[OMG67]

@OMG67 has a sour "Beck" taste in his mouth thanks to the injury-riddled time that Jack Beck had with the 67s.
I thought OMG67 knew that OWEN Beck is not related to JACK Beck but I guess he is just triggered by the name .
Heaven forbid Owen is traded to SSM and the 67s face the Greyhounds in the OHL final.........OMG67 will be on tilt!!

The 67’s aren’t making an OHL Final unless they add 3-4 key players.

And as I stated in response to that misinterpretation of what I have said, Beck is not the be all end all of the trade deadline. HE will be a key player for a team that most needs his services. Not all teams seemingly in the hunt need Owen Beck. That is very evident. I don’t understand the fixation on every team wanting Beck when they have other gaps in their roster. It makes no sense at all. For some teams it would be like having the 3rd best goalie in the league and then trading half of their tradable assets for the best goalie in league to be marginally better while the other goalie sits on the bench opening the door.

 

[dirty12]

The 67’s aren’t making an OHL Final unless they add 3-4 key players.

And as I stated in response to that misinterpretation of what I have said, Beck is not the be all end all of the trade deadline. HE will be a key player for a team that most needs his services. Not all teams seemingly in the hunt need Owen Beck. That is very evident. I don’t understand the fixation on every team wanting Beck when they have other gaps in their roster. It makes no sense at all. For some teams it would be like having the 3rd best goalie in the league and then trading half of their tradable assets for the best goalie in league to be marginally better while the other goalie sits on the bench opening the door.

Is that a reference to the DiPeitro trade?
I would agree with that take on Beck to be true for Saginaw, Kitchener, and North Bay as there are easier and cheaper ways to fill areas of greater need.
For the rest though, the most impactful player available at possibly the most important position is the way to go, imo.

 

[OMG67]

Is that a reference to the DiPeitro trade?
I would agree with that take on Beck to be true for Saginaw, Kitchener, and North Bay as there are easier and cheaper ways to fill areas of greater need.
For the rest though, the most impactful player available at possibly the most important position is the way to go, imo.

That wasn’t a reference to DiPietro but I agree that would be a very good example. Many thought that deal was silly. Although, Andree was a rookie starter.

We agree on the rest regarding Beck though. Where we disagree is the overall impact. I don’t feel his impact compares to previous elite players of past years. He is the most impactful centre this year but compared to MacT two years ago, I don’t think the same balance exists. Too many people seem to point to that type of trade return as being comparable. I’m not convinced that is true. But, we shall see.

 

[dirty12]

That wasn’t a reference to DiPietro but I agree that would be a very good example. Many thought that deal was silly. Although, Andree was a rookie starter.

We agree on the rest regarding Beck though. Where we disagree is the overall impact. I don’t feel his impact compares to previous elite players of past years. He is the most impactful centre this year but compared to MacT two years ago, I don’t think the same balance exists. Too many people seem to point to that type of trade return as being comparable. I’m not convinced that is true. But, we shall see.

Well, ithose thinking the return will be #14 picked 16 yr old and #21 picked 17 yr old; plus 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4 picks might be out to lunch.

 

[OHLTG]

The 67’s aren’t making an OHL Final unless they add 3-4 key players.

And as I stated in response to that misinterpretation of what I have said, Beck is not the be all end all of the trade deadline. HE will be a key player for a team that most needs his services. Not all teams seemingly in the hunt need Owen Beck. That is very evident. I don’t understand the fixation on every team wanting Beck when they have other gaps in their roster. It makes no sense at all. For some teams it would be like having the 3rd best goalie in the league and then trading half of their tradable assets for the best goalie in league to be marginally better while the other goalie sits on the bench opening the door.

If I'm Saginaw, I'm either looking for a solid winger or an upgrade in goal. Do they want to run into the postseason with Oke and Lalonde? I'm not sold.

 

[belair]

Is that a reference to the DiPeitro trade?
I would agree with that take on Beck to be true for Saginaw, Kitchener, and North Bay as there are easier and cheaper ways to fill areas of greater need.
For the rest though, the most impactful player available at possibly the most important position is the way to go, imo.

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just does not belong.

 

[dirty12]

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just does not belong.

Saginaw, obviously.

 

[Kingpin794]

If I'm Saginaw, I'm either looking for a solid winger or an upgrade in goal. Do they want to run into the postseason with Oke and Lalonde? I'm not sold.

they can slide Haight out to wing for free. Better centers available than wings anyway. Already spent capital on Lalonde as backup. Not going to spend more at goalie.

 

[OHLTG]

they can slide Haight out to wing for free. Better centers available than wings anyway. Already spent capital on Lalonde as backup. Not going to spend more at goalie.

You traded a 5th for him and he's never had a season above .880. I respect him but do you *really* want him and Oke as your guys into the Memorial Cup?

 

[bcspragu]

You traded a 5th for him and he's never had a season above .880. I respect him but do you *really* want him and Oke as your guys into the Memorial Cup?

IMO Okes a top 5 goalie in the league. His numbers are artificially lower because of Saginaws play style. Not worth spending assets on an upgrade. Would be better off replacing Guo on D and bringing in a center to move Haight to wing

 

[Kingpin794]

IMO Okes a top 5 goalie in the league. His numbers are artificially lower because of Saginaws play style. Not worth spending assets on an upgrade. Would be better off replacing Guo on D and bringing in a center to move Haight to wing

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[Petes]

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Beck and Smith?

 

[Kingpin794]

Beck and Smith?

I’d be fine with a one stop shop

 

[beastintheeast]

My crystal ball has given me the answer to what the winning team in the Beck sweepstakes will pay.

the answer: Whatever this year's market determines he is worth.

There are a lot of teams that he would help and be a definite asset. some are so far out of the championnship picture it is not worth talking about. Some are already strong up the middle, and some do not have the assets to pay for him.

I still think the main buyers interested are Sag and Sud, but there are dark horses that might think they have a shot. Or the price offered could be unsatisfactory to the Petes adn they decide to just trad Mayer and keep beck.

This is the OHL anything could happen. The only thing guaranteed is that no matter where he plays, it will be a contending team. Sorry Niagara, Barrie, Windsor Sarnia, and Flint.

Kingston, Oshawa North Bay, and Ottawa, I think, are out of the picture.

I would include Erie and OS but teams do funny things in the west

 

[donjohnson]

IMO Okes a top 5 goalie in the league. His numbers are artificially lower because of Saginaws play style. Not worth spending assets on an upgrade. Would be better off replacing Guo on D and bringing in a center to move Haight to wing

I actually think his numbers are higher because of Saginaw's play style... I think that if he played for a more defensive team he'd be around 2.50 instead of 2.80. We still give up breakaways and odd man chances more than I'm comfortable with and we are still taking dumb clutch and grab penalties that leave us shorthanded.

Compared to what I've seen from the rest of the league, we're just fine with Oke...do I wish we still had Lennox? Absolutely... But with the offense we have and the way the defense will tighten up in the playoffs I'm totally good with Oke between the pipes.

As far as lalonde goes, he's had 2 good recent starts but I don't expect him to play much in the playoffs. Lennox played every minute of all 11 playoff games last year and I expect that Oke will be in a similar position.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

Where are the updated pre-World Juniors Owen Beck trade candidate power rankings?

Ssm number one now cause he’s playing with Allard. Has to be, right?

This

This is what we are saying in SSM too. No need to get a goalie when Charlie is playing great and a top 5 goalie in our opinions.

C and D in one spot is what we need. SSM has to be in on the Beck/Konnor Smith package too, imo.

 

[Section5Petes]

Ssm number one now cause he’s playing with Allard. Has to be, right?



This is what we are saying in SSM too. No need to get a goalie when Charlie is playing great and a top 5 goalie in our opinions.

C and D in one spot is what we need. SSM has to be in on the Beck/Konnor Smith package too, imo.

Owen Beck and Konnor Smith should be on their way up soon!

 

[OHLTG]

This is the OHL anything could happen. The only thing guaranteed is that no matter where he plays, it will be a contending team. Sorry Niagara, Barrie, Windsor Sarnia, and Flint.

I'll say this about Windsor - they better not think about it lol don't need him, especially for anything more than a 10th.