Post-Game Talk: TRADE DEADLINE 2024

[le_sean]

It’s a shame that Max doesn’t seem to have that drive in him. As a 3rd liner on a Cup contender he might have made a massive difference for a team.

 

[The Real Timo]

Bro really doesn’t want anything to do with the playoffs

Lol... what exactly did he start? Patch is just collecting pay at this point I think. I'd do the same if I could.

 

[Scotianhab]

I just need people to stop saying we got great value for Allen. Trading him without retention for future considerations would have been better for us. The reason we got a 3rd is to take on 1.9M dead cap and to burn a retention spot.

We freed up almost 2m in cap for next season and gained a 3rd rd pick. Solves the goalie carousel as well. After next season we only have Gallagher & Anderson with anchor contracts. We are in good shape.

 

[Chili]

In general, the returns seem average this deadline. Not many prospects moved, mostly later draft picks. Get the sense that there were enough sellers that the buyers could be choosy. The cap may have handcuffed a few playoff bound teams from making any moves.

 

[Runner77]

 

[Runner77]

 

[sandviper]

The f*** Brady Tkachuk crowd should publicly apologize to the board for their toxicity in 2018.

Or, we could just let it go… 5 years is a long time to be bitter.

 

[Runner77]

Quite the impressive list of timely LTIR forays for Mr. Stone …

 

[waffledave]

It's a microlacerated spleen, you see.

 

[Runner77]

Star of the show.

 

[TheViperOne]

It's a microlacerated spleen, you see.

The youngins here don’t get this one but it’s gold

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

The youngins here don’t get this one but it’s gold

Those Ottawa series when WhiskeySeven was around were chaos

 

[waffledave]

The youngins here don’t get this one but it’s gold

People forget that Mark Stone has a history of being a faking little bitch.

 

[Kimota]

Looking at the Islanders, man with the exception of Horvat, Lou Lamoriello has not helped his coaches a lot in recent years. Even when Trotz was there, they could have been a lot better but they essentialy had nothing up front to score goals.

 

[26Mats]

People forget that Mark Stone has a history of being a faking little bitch.

Yet it seems he gives up a 1st every year except this year:

- Palmieri
- Pageau
- Romanov
- Horvat

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Strange comparison with Savard who was never a top pairing dman and simply who never had this potential. Much respect for his career but he always was a second pairing, pk specialist at best.

Reinbacher upside is a stratosphere away from it. (Not a guarantee he reaches it but he has ainec top 1-2D upside.)

To put things into perspective,

Do you think Toronto would trade a 26YO Marner for a 34YO Pietrangelo? A piece they critically miss and can't simply find nor trade for.

If you answer yes to this question, which i think is a yes, it should put into perspective how Reinbacher(Pietrangelo) is not a reach relative to Michkov(Marner).

I know Marner and Pietrangelo are players that reached their upside and they are stylistically different but i use this as a comparison to highlights the importance and scarcity of this type of dman, therefore reinforcing my argument/opinion that Reinbacher was not a reach at 5.

I think Pietrangelo as a ceiling for Reinbacher is really, really a high-end reach, whereas I think Kucherov would be very not shocking for Michkov. Obviously David Savard was an extreme example. My point was that just because someone's a right D that eats minutes, doesn't mean they have the potential to be Drew Doughty. I don't see that in Reinbacher, from what I've seen of him.

Yes but the Flyers offered Gauthier and wanted the 5th and 7th picks. Arizona was taking RB. He was going no later than 6th. Saying ‘shit franchise’ is not an argument. And I gave you two teams that wanted him, not one.

Not at all. You’re saying we don’t have any stars, I’m saying we don’t know yet but have candidates who could be.

World of difference.

Spare me the echo chamber stuff, you’re not debating a cheerleader. I’ve been one of the most negative fans on this board for years.

There aren’t that many teams with the volume of good young talent that we’ve got. We’ve also got 24 picks coming over the next two drafts including four number ones.

Do we have Bedard? No. But we’ve got some really good young talent that look promising. And if even one of these guys turns into a dupe we’ll be in great shape.

We’re in better shape than you think we are. That doesn’t mean we’re a contender in waiting but the cupboards are far from bare. I know it sounds like a cop out but… we really do need to wait and see a bit to know what we have.

-It doesn't matter where teams draft someone. All it takes is one scouting dept to like a player for them to reach for him. Overall consensus was not for RB at 5. McKenzie's list, which is consolidated, had him at 8, and he rose there throughout the year. I personally would have been ok with him at 8, but at 5, there were better options.

-We might eek out some stars (small s), but I don't think anyone is a dominant gamebreaker. A McDavid, a Pastrnak, a Kopitar, a Kucherov, a Hedman, a Kane, a Draisaitl, a Chara. We don't have that up front or on D. Players who can singlehandedly take over and win you games. You NEED that. Cup winners almost ALWAYS have that. Do you really see any of our guys being that dominant? Do you see Suzuki being Kopitar? Do you see Reinbacher, who's having a terrible D+1 and was never that offensively gifted, being Doughty? Slaf might (MIGHT) become a Rantanen, but who's his Mackinnon?

-I don't follow the posting career of everyone on here. Every time we get a new management, people generally go full cheerleader for a while and then ignore warning signs, wanting to hope for the best. This org under Gorton and Hughes seems more competent than previous regimes in general, but I think they're making mistakes and I think there are warning signs, such as nepotism, old boys club hires, not dealing with the medical evaluation problems more quickly, not properly tanking, prioritizing culture over talent (the Bergevin special), playing injured players instead of sitting them in lost seasons, etc.

I don't want baseline competence. I want THE BEST.

-There are plenty of teams with volumes of young talent. The Atlantic is going to be murderer's row for a while. Buckle up.

-I don't think we're in good shape yet. If we draft a really, REALLY good forward this year, I think we might save things. If we continue to f*** up and draft 8th or something, I don't think things will go well.

Agreed... dealing with f***ed up shoulder for close to a year now. That being said though...if his shoulder is still bad he should not be playing. I mean... what do we need... win more games?

Yeah, it's very no bueno. Whoever's decision it was to play him with a shoulder injury instead of sitting him (probably Marty) should not be allowed to make those types of decisions.

 

[RationalExpectations]

If Bystedt Edstrom both pan out, SJS will have two Swedish control towers at C1 and 2, put Eklund, Smith on their Wings. Not too bad. But the tank may be long and painful…

 

[26Mats]

I just need people to stop saying we got great value for Allen. Trading him without retention for future considerations would have been better for us. The reason we got a 3rd is to take on 1.9M dead cap and to burn a retention spot.

Ok, but no one wanted him for future considerations without retention. So while that would have been better value than what we got I agree, it wasn't available. We got the next best thing.

Washington got a 3rd for eating close to 4M of Kuznetsov's salary next year. We got a 3rd, which could become a 2nd, for eating close to 2M of Allen's salary next year. Which is better value?

 

[Jaynki]

I think Pietrangelo as a ceiling for Reinbacher is really, really a high-end reach, whereas I think Kucherov would be very not shocking for Michkov. Obviously David Savard was an extreme example. My point was that just because someone's a right D that eats minutes, doesn't mean they have the potential to be Drew Doughty. I don't see that in Reinbacher, from what I've seen of him.

Well, i am not arguing if you are right or wrong but with such preconceived notion, i can understand why you think Reinbacher was a reach and that you are angry we skipped Michkov.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Well, i am not arguing if you are right or wrong but with such preconceived notion, i can understand why you think Reinbacher was a reach and that you are angry we skipped Michkov.

Yes, of course. We'll all see how right or wrong we are about such things. I'd be perfectly happy eating crow

 

[417]

I just need people to stop saying we got great value for Allen. Trading him without retention for future considerations would have been better for us. The reason we got a 3rd is to take on 1.9M dead cap and to burn a retention spot.

I mean who expected “great” value for trading a guy whose essentially been a #3 goalie in a 3 man rotation and who is still signed beyond this year at close to 4M?

But it's hard to argue, with a straight face, that future considerations are better than a 3rd round pick, that can potentially be a 2nd.

 

[Skip Bayless]

It's a microlacerated spleen, you see.

microlacerated peen

 

[Wateredgarden]

Seeing Dumba traded, made me realize that Normand Flynn was a better talent evaluator than all of us. In 2012 we made fun of him for wanting Dumba over Galchenyuk, we all thought he was a joke... We were the joke...

Je préférais Dumba à Galchenyuk

J'aime la sélection d'Alex Galchenyuk comme premier choix pour le Canadien, mais j'aurais préféré que le Tricolore choisisse le défenseur Mathew Dumba.

www.rds.ca

 

[Jaynki]

Seeing Dumba traded, made me realize that Normand Flynn was a better talent evaluator than all of us. In 2012 we made fun of him for wanting Dumba over Galchenyuk, we all thought he was a joke... We were the joke...

Je préférais Dumba à Galchenyuk

J'aime la sélection d'Alex Galchenyuk comme premier choix pour le Canadien, mais j'aurais préféré que le Tricolore choisisse le défenseur Mathew Dumba.

www.rds.ca

Well, out of all the pick in 2012... Dumba is one of the worst... Rielly, Lindholm, Trouba, Forsberg... so that dont say much about Flynn.

On the other end,

He would have traded Suzuki for Simmonds. Caufield for Palmieri. Slaf for Dubois and i am missing another one.

So yeah, we indeed are terrible talent evaluator, like borderline blind tier talent evaluator. But Flynn is even worst than that.

 

[Wateredgarden]

Well, out of all the pick in 2012... Dumba is one of the worst... Rielly, Lindholm, Trouba, Forsberg... so that dont say much about Flynn.

On the other end,

He would have traded Suzuki for Simmonds. Caufield for Palmieri. Slaf for Dubois and i am missing another one.

So yeah, we indeed are terrible talent evaluator, like borderline blind tier talent evaluator. But Flynn is even worst than that.

He was right, we were wrong. BTW, have you seen the 2012 draft? As bad as Dumba is, he's still one of the bests.