Post-Game Talk: TRADE DEADLINE 2024

[Boss Man Hughes]

The moment they trade Matheson is the moment they start getting serious about winning games.

Once a few of the prospects are on the team and Matheson is on the 2nd pairing they can see if he makes less mistakes. If they think he is too big a risk they will move him.

 

[HomaridII]

Once a few of the prospects are on the team and Matheson is on the 2nd pairing they can see if he makes less mistakes. If they think he is too big a risk they will move him.

Matheson is top 10 in the nhl with like 26 minutes per game.

He is being exposed and overplayed. He is a decent second pairing, second pp qb type of player but not a shutdown first pairing guy. Ideally 17-19 mins per game.

 

[dinodebino]

Speaking for myself, I'm not sure if I believe in a rebuild with this core, which is quite dejecting. If Suzuki, Slaf, and Caufield are our best forwards, is that enough? I'm starting to doubt it. Is our defense going to be enough? Huge question marks with Hutson, Reinbacher, and Mailloux. Is our goaltending going to be enough? Huge question marks with Monty.

What I really don't want to see is us waste another 2-3 waiting for prospects only to realize they don't have what it takes.

I see ways for our future to look a lot brighter, most of which revolve around us drafting Demidov and Hutson-Reinbacher reaching their full potential.

Two more years of sucking, sorry.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Are you a doctor????? As long as Caufield can't make the shoulder worse it does not matter if he plays. And you can't keep Monahan out for an extended period this season or no one will take him. Why the hell do you think he was moved early? Hughes was taking no chances.

Have you ever had a shoulder injury? Let me tell you, that strenuous physical activity can make it worse.

 

[Adam Michaels]

That's a good clearance year next year. Your list is 2 tons of deadwood. There is still 2 tons more to move but that substraction helps a lot in the 'sheme'.

Gallagher will be left. Anderson could be added on that, but he's at least either had 20+ goals or on pace for 20+ every year except this year. so if he can go back to that next year, his contract isn't as much deadwood.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Coyotes and Flyers both tried to trade up to get him.

I agree with this.

But, you can’t ignore what happens after a draft. Superstars are more common in higher picks. But that doesn’t mean Robitaille or Hull or Hasek weren’t superstars themselves. Roy, CC and Hutson all killed it after their drafts.

Moreover, you can look at drafts in retrospect and see why a player may have been taken lower than they otherwise might’ve been.

And Slaf was drafted 1st overall. Right now he’s looking like a strong pick. It’s still extremely early but I don’t hear the name ‘Cooley’ around very much anymore.

Maybe. Maybe not.

But he’s like 10 games into his career. He killed it everywhere he went in junior and was a late birthday in that draft.

Doesn’t it make sense to at least give it a bit of time before writing him off as a non star talent?

Draft is packed with great players. If we draft Eiserman he could turn out to be the best forward we’ve had in decades. Catton could be a superstar… Again, you’re drawing conclusions on questions that won’t be answered for years.

Right. And that team has nowhere near the talent this club has coming up front.

Flyers wanted Michkov. Think that's pretty obvious. Arizona is a shit franchise lol.

As for what's in bold, so are you.

I'm just looking at our talent pool, comparing it to other talent pools that we're competing with outside of the Montreal Canadiens fan echo chamber, and I find our forward core wanting. Other teams in the league have High end talent on their teams and obvious high-end talent coming up. And we do not. And we could have, if we tanked a little better and went for talent instead of culture when we made player personnel decisions.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Gallagher will be left. Anderson could be added on that, but he's at least either had 20+ goals or on pace for 20+ every year except this year. so if he can go back to that next year, his contract isn't as much deadwood.

Next year not promising.

Still lots of dead wood to clear.
Dach will probably get to 100% gradually.
Players still making jump to the pros, or from AHL to NHL, or from Europe.

My hope is that the team can be good enough that Savard, Dvorak and Anderson are marketable.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Why does every tv show that Marinaro is a part of, degenerate into a shouting match?

Saw him on TVA Spanre’s deadline show and sure enough, it got out of control real fast.

That’s his whole Schtick. Without all the antics he wouldn’t get as many viewers. That’s all he wants.

 

[Jaynki]

I'm skeptical of both, because a riser could indicate hot streaks that aren't sustainable, while fallers are as you said.

I like consistency in prospects. I find that's something that translates well in the rest of their careers.

I'm aware of what's happened regarding D in previous drafts. But what's happened has no bearing on Reinbacher's talent or where he should have gone. David Savard is a big righty that eats minutes. Doesn't mean he should go top 5 in a draft.

Strange comparison with Savard who was never a top pairing dman and simply who never had this potential. Much respect for his career but he always was a second pairing, pk specialist at best.

Reinbacher upside is a stratosphere away from it. (Not a guarantee he reaches it but he has ainec top 1-2D upside.)

To put things into perspective,

Do you think Toronto would trade a 26YO Marner for a 34YO Pietrangelo? A piece they critically miss and can't simply find nor trade for.

If you answer yes to this question, which i think is a yes, it should put into perspective how Reinbacher(Pietrangelo) is not a reach relative to Michkov(Marner).

I know Marner and Pietrangelo are players that reached their upside and they are stylistically different but i use this as a comparison to highlights the importance and scarcity of this type of dman, therefore reinforcing my argument/opinion that Reinbacher was not a reach at 5.

I'm skeptical of both, because a riser could indicate hot streaks that aren't sustainable, while fallers are as you said.

I like consistency in prospects. I find that's something that translates well in the rest of their careers.

I'm aware of what's happened regarding D in previous drafts. But what's happened has no bearing on Reinbacher's talent or where he should have gone. David Savard is a big righty that eats minutes. Doesn't mean he should go top 5 in a draft.

Strange comparison with Savard who was never a top pairing dman and simply who never had this potential. Much respect for his career but he always was a second pairing, pk specialist at best.

Reinbacher upside is a stratosphere away from it. (Not a guarantee he reaches it but he has ainec top 1-2D upside.)

To put things into perspective,

Do you think Toronto would trade a 26YO Marner for a 34YO Pietrangelo? A piece they critically miss and can't simply find nor trade for.

If you answer yes to this question, which i think is a yes, it should put into perspective how Reinbacher(Pietrangelo) is not a reach relative to Michkov(Marner).

I know Marner and Pietrangelo are players that reached their upside and they are stylistically different but i use this as a comparison to highlights the importance and scarcity of this type of dman, therefore reinforcing my argument/opinion that Reinbacher was not a reach at 5.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Why does every tv show that Marinaro is a part of, degenerate into a shouting match?

Saw him on TVA Spanre’s deadline show and sure enough, it got out of control real fast.

To be fair to Tony, he was on a panel with other yellers like Morissette, Bergie, and host of the panel JiC. All of them talking over the others. Mapper was the only one who was calm and patient.

 

[GloryYrs70s]

I’m not totally disappointed in this trade deadline. Would have liked to see Anderson moved but that wasn’t going to happen and there is still much to look forward to at the draft. The games are still competitive and fun to watch so I’m happy.

 

[Runner77]

To be fair to Tony, he was on a panel with other yellers like Morissette, Bergie, and host of the panel JiC. All of them talking over the others. Mapper was the only one who was calm and patient.

It just seemed to me that they were all firing at Marinaro for some reason.

 

[26Mats]

I'm surprised no one picked up Pacioretty.

 

[OnTheRun]

I'm surprised no one picked up Pacioretty.

It's the other way around. He refused to waive his NMC.

 

[26Mats]

It's the other way around. He refused to waive his NMC.

Who tried?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Flyers wanted Michkov. Think that's pretty obvious. Arizona is a shit franchise lol.

Yes but the Flyers offered Gauthier and wanted the 5th and 7th picks. Arizona was taking RB. He was going no later than 6th. Saying ‘shit franchise’ is not an argument. And I gave you two teams that wanted him, not one.

As for what's in bold, so are you.

Not at all. You’re saying we don’t have any stars, I’m saying we don’t know yet but have candidates who could be.

World of difference.

I'm just looking at our talent pool, comparing it to other talent pools that we're competing with outside of the Montreal Canadiens fan echo chamber, and I find our forward core wanting. Other teams in the league have High end talent on their teams and obvious high-end talent coming up. And we do not. And we could have, if we tanked a little better and went for talent instead of culture when we made player personnel decisions.

Spare me the echo chamber stuff, you’re not debating a cheerleader. I’ve been one of the most negative fans on this board for years.

There aren’t that many teams with the volume of good young talent that we’ve got. We’ve also got 24 picks coming over the next two drafts including four number ones.

Do we have Bedard? No. But we’ve got some really good young talent that look promising. And if even one of these guys turns into a dupe we’ll be in great shape.

We’re in better shape than you think we are. That doesn’t mean we’re a contender in waiting but the cupboards are far from bare. I know it sounds like a cop out but… we really do need to wait and see a bit to know what we have.

 

[OnTheRun]

Who tried?

Unspecified.

 

[le_sean]

Hischier, Seider, Makar and Pettersson were risers. Its a term that doesn't mean much of anything. Like, are scouts supposed to ignore an NHLer 17-18 year olds incredible rise during his most important year ? How does that make sense ? People regularly reassess how players are viewed post draft, why would their draft year be any different ?

It’s even more prevalent when the riser is a younger draftee (ie born May or later).

 

[26Mats]

Unspecified.

Sounds like he's Patio ready.

In all seriousness he is a loyal guy

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I'm surprised no one picked up Pacioretty.

There were offers. He refused to go to those teams.

 

[red devil]

Who tried?

Larry Brooks was saying the Rangers were trying to get Pacioretty this morning

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I just need people to stop saying we got great value for Allen. Trading him without retention for future considerations would have been better for us. The reason we got a 3rd is to take on 1.9M dead cap and to burn a retention spot.

 

[Guiness time]

I just need people to stop saying we got great value for Allen. Trading him without retention for future considerations would have been better for us. The reason we got a 3rd is to take on 1.9M dead cap and to burn a retention spot.

We got solid value, he's just a mediocre back up goalie. We needed to make space for Primeau and everyone knows this, There was maybe 4 or 5 teams looking for a backup goalie. Honest question, would you give up more for him knowing this?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Unspecified.

Bro really doesn’t want anything to do with the playoffs

 

[The Real Timo]

Have you ever had a shoulder injury? Let me tell you, that strenuous physical activity can make it worse.

Agreed... dealing with f***ed up shoulder for close to a year now. That being said though...if his shoulder is still bad he should not be playing. I mean... what do we need... win more games?