GDT: Trade Deadline 2017

[Breakdowns]

Without a doubt. Like I said, I don't love all the negativity at the moment, but it will mostly pass, and I certainly get where it's coming from. Man we really need Francis to make things happen this offseason. We deserve it.

I think this offseason will be crazy for the whole league, so good thinks might happen for us, I trust in Francis, even though it`s really not easy to wait year after year.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Quitting Facebook was the best thing I've ever done.

Talked my wife into getting off of there recently, and she's pretty darn happy. I'm glad I never really got into either.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Having a Facebook was kind of a necessity for people in my age group. I still use it to stay in touch with friends and for the groups, but I never really used it for that much in the first place. Social media is just awful. People getting their news from Facebook, it's ridiculous.

But back on topic, hope Francis has learned from this season. He's still relatively new to running a team, hopefully he sees the team won't succeed as it's constructed right now.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Having a Facebook was kind of a necessity for people in my age group. I still use it to stay in touch with friends and for the groups, but I never really used it for that much in the first place. Social media is just awful. People getting their news from Facebook, it's ridiculous.

But back on topic, hope Francis has learned from this season. He's still relatively new to running a team, hopefully he sees the team won't succeed as it's constructed right now.

He tempered expectations before the season. I think he knew. To his credit, it sounds like he would have tried to improve them in the short term had they lasted a bit longer. But they didn't.

 

[raynman]

He tempered expectations before the season. I think he knew. To his credit, it sounds like he would have tried to improve them in the short term had they lasted a bit longer. But they didn't.

I agree, I think the best evidence of that was going with the same goalie combo as last season. Plus didn't he kind of allude to tempered expectations in interviews before the season?

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I'm fine with a patient "draft and develop" approach (as long as it doesn't end up causing relocation), but I can also recognize that the team, as constructed isn't competitive enough and shouldn't even consider buying..unless that buying is something huge and more long term, like Duchene/Landeskog.

At some point though, the team will need to make a move with some of these assets, or via UFA, to get better talent on offense. We aren't going to get a Matthews/McDavid/etc... via the draft. I'm not smart enough to know when that timeframe is.

Canes need a star. An established one, not a "let's wait for Aho."

Time to make a move this summer with all the D they have stocked up. It'll take some trust in Fleury/McKeown/lesser extent Bean.....but the time is this summer.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Definitely no argument with that. Even if we get one of the top two picks and get a potential star center of the future, and with Aho looking like he'll have a great future, we absolutely have to get a top end forward, and improve the goaltending somehow this summer. If not, I reckon I'll join the sour patch kids.

 

[Ole Gil]

At some point though, the team will need to make a move with some of these assets, or via UFA, to get better talent on offense. We aren't going to get a Matthews/McDavid/etc... via the draft. I'm not smart enough to know when that timeframe is.

It's tough to figure out what exactly they think is going to happen. They aren't in a position to draft a superstar player. They don't have any in the system. And they don't have one on the roster. There's just no path to success.

They really don't have the pieces to trade either. Faulk maybe, but they need his 50 points. Slavin isn't bringing back a superstar. I don't think Bean, Fleury, Hanifin, or Pesce are either.

I'm wondering if they are going to have to take another step backwards, lose Faulk, Skinner, Staal, get a couple top 3 picks, and then move forward. It's really a pretty bad spot they are in.

 

[Stickpucker]

Cheer up chaps the Crosbys, Malkins, Kessels, Ovechkins, Backstroms, Tavareses, Girouxs of our division only have 4 to 6 more years of > 60 point production left in them (basically more than anyone in our roster) and so long as they don't hit on a later pick we can overtake them!!!

The CBJ and rangers only have 5 or 6 20 goal scorers....we're only 4 or 5 drafts of picking up Ahos from catching up to that. Pssh who cares they have Vezina finalist goalies and ours are in the 40-50 range for save %.

In the East we at least have a brighter future than the mighty DRW!!

 

[Stickpucker]

Really aside, but I don't want to trade Faulk he reminds me of a lesser version of Burns now. If he improves his shot further while improving his defense over the next 6 years we may have a 70 pt dman who can actually play D. I'd still consider him our most untouchable Dman.

 

[Stickpucker]

Really OT but the divisional realignment has been rough for us. The reason PK was all for it was to sell more tickets seeing the NYR, Pitts, Philly in our barn more often....but it's just left us lower in the standings and selling even less tickets than before the realign.

 

[Stickpucker]

Really really OT but I wish we had Budreau for a coach. He takes any roster and makes em run for the prez trophy. I wouldn't even mind never making the ECF with him. His teams all put out a ton of offense too. I'm slowly souring on Peters.

 

[tarheelhockey]

We deserve it.

Honestly I do think we've reached the point where the organization kind of owes the remaining fanbase a better product. It's not as simple as "just be glad you have NHL hockey" anymore, we've been waiting a long damn time to see even a mediocre team let alone a good one.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Honestly I do think we've reached the point where the organization kind of owes the remaining fanbase a better product. It's not as simple as "just be glad you have NHL hockey" anymore, we've been waiting a long damn time to see even a mediocre team let alone a good one.

Agreed. RF has positioned us well with regards to budget and assets. He can afford to go a little crazy in both and still not jeopardize his ultimate goal of competing every year. RF needs to find a way to go for it this offseason. I think they've gotten about as much patience and good will from us hardcores as they can reasonably expect at this point.

 

[Hulkacaniac]

Honestly I do think we've reached the point where the organization kind of owes the remaining fanbase a better product. It's not as simple as "just be glad you have NHL hockey" anymore, we've been waiting a long damn time to see even a mediocre team let alone a good one.

Barring a catastrophic collapse by the oilers, ours will take over as longest active playoff drought in the league..

 

[Wolfpuck]

Barring a catastrophic collapse by the oilers, ours will take over as longest active playoff drought in the league..

Experience Canes hockey

 

[The Faulker 27]

We're barrelling toward our worst finish in a few seasons which means good draft position. Weak draft or not we have tons of picks, prospects, and cap space to work with. RF will be put to the test in the off-season. He better do something of value or gtfo.

Not really. No, actually yes gtfo.

 

[HisIceness]

Barring a catastrophic collapse by the oilers, ours will take over as longest active playoff drought in the league..

And this is what pisses me off. There's no excuse for not making the playoffs at least once during this time, in a league in which more than half the league gets in. I'm still pretty pissed over that "effort" that was the 2011 finale against Tampa.

I get it, some years the team is going to miss, but this long? Meanwhile teams that were terrible for a stretch like Calgary and Columbus have gotten in at least once and appear to be on the verge of making it again. Florida and Tampa both sucked and then got better, Florida even won the division last season.

Yet, in typical Canes fashion, the wheels keep spinning in the mud.

 

[A Star is Burns]

On the bright side, I believe we'd have to miss two more years after this year just to tie the record for playoff drought held by Florida and Edmonton.

 

[Savant]

That five game losing streak at in January may have made the difference between buying or staying the course. The five game losing streak in February was the nail in the coffin.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Barring a catastrophic collapse by the oilers, ours will take over as longest active playoff drought in the league..

In league *history*.

100 years and nobody has been more than 10 years out of the playoffs. We're at 8 and not trending in the right direction.

 

[NotOpie]

I'm fine with a patient "draft and develop" approach (as long as it doesn't end up causing relocation), but I can also recognize that the team, as constructed isn't competitive enough and shouldn't even consider buying..unless that buying is something huge and more long term, like Duchene/Landeskog.

At some point though, the team will need to make a move with some of these assets, or via UFA, to get better talent on offense. We aren't going to get a Matthews/McDavid/etc... via the draft. I'm not smart enough to know when that timeframe is.

I agree with this, BBA. I do feel that we remain a couple of assets away....maybe one true scoring forward and at least a capable back up in net. I really did think we had the potential to squeak in if only we got close to league average goaltending. I thought we'd have a few more 40 point guys and that Skinner and Rask would both step up. Little to any of this happened.

But it's his job to get the team into the playoffs, so he wouldn't have been doing his job to simply ignore the possibility that the team could have made that extra push. So when they're 1 point away, I have no issue with RF looking at some extra help at that time.

But obviously, the team loses 5 straight, drops to the bottom of the conference and clearly isn't in the playoff hunt any longer, he has to switch gears and start looking for deals to sell the players he was just looking to help.

Depending on how long ago he made the decision of "OK, we're sellers", getting two deals (good deals, as well) done in that timespan is fine.

We sometimes forget that Ron Francis became the team GM in April of 2014, not even 3 full years ago. I expected/hoped that we might eek out a playoff spot. I also thought other teams were closer to aging out (Rangers, Bruins, for example). But savvy moves have kept them competitive. We have not really been in that position yet.

Agreed. RF has positioned us well with regards to budget and assets. He can afford to go a little crazy in both and still not jeopardize his ultimate goal of competing every year. RF needs to find a way to go for it this offseason. I think they've gotten about as much patience and good will from us hardcores as they can reasonably expect at this point.

Last season we latched on to a **** ton of assets, some of which will come to fruition in the upcoming draft. All bets are off this Summer as it appears the salary cap will again remain close to stagnant. The expansion draft throws the proverbial monkey wrench into things. We will head into the off season with 11 draft picks. If ever there was a draft to move our 1st pick as part of a package to get a marquee player, this is that year.

Personally, I have no doubt that Francis is already strategizing about wheeling and dealing. There will be unprotected players available as teams want to get "something" for those assets rather than give them up for free. There are a couple of RFA situations (MN comes to mind) that could prove challenging.

In the end I'll give GMRF a pass until this time next year. If we're not in the middle of a playoff hunt, then I'll really start to question the front office and the coaching staff.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It's tough to figure out what exactly they think is going to happen. They aren't in a position to draft a superstar player. They don't have any in the system. And they don't have one on the roster. There's just no path to success.

They really don't have the pieces to trade either. Faulk maybe, but they need his 50 points. Slavin isn't bringing back a superstar. I don't think Bean, Fleury, Hanifin, or Pesce are either.

I'm wondering if they are going to have to take another step backwards, lose Faulk, Skinner, Staal, get a couple top 3 picks, and then move forward. It's really a pretty bad spot they are in.

I "kinda" agree. To win the cup, I agree they probably need that superstar. But to become a regular playoff team, they can get there by being a very deep team like CLB or the NYR (granted, Nash is a "superstar", but really only once in the last 4 seasons for NY). Those teams just have a lot of really good depth and offensive talent across the board along with good goaltending. Thing is, even if all of Roy, Gauthier, Kuokkanen, Wallmark, etc...reach their potential, Canes are still in need of more offensive talent to get to that point.

 

[Stickpucker]

Quitting Facebook was the best thing I've ever done.

Quitting Facebook is the new quitting smoking.

 

[raynman]

Quitting Facebook is the new quitting smoking.

I've accomplished both now. Guess I'm a quitter.