GDT: Trade and Free agent rumours thread | Post Trade Deadline Edition

[TheMadHatTrick]

That Knies trade would have made the Carlo and Laughton trade look brilliant by comparison. Tre is an idiot. He should never get another GM job again. That's almost JFJ levels of incompetence. You're trading a 23 year old recent 30 goal scoring powerforward to a division rival and you don't even get their top prospect? What a clown!

 

[TMLAM34]

Larkin would be a great add in that 2C slot, especially given his speed paired with Willy but it unfortunately won’t happen.

Detroit will probably look at making a hockey trade that sees a young center going to Detroit. Anaheim seems like a pretty good fit with McTavish going to Detroit along with a left handed defenceman, maybe Mintyukov.

 

[The Masters]

 

[RuudeDog]

Just feels odd that the Leafs would even contemplate moving Knies. I wonder if there was something more that we don't know about off ice. Complete speculation on my part. I am sure 34 would have loved that.

How on earth would they consider trading a young power forward for anything less that a young potential top two C or top pair D. Of course Mtl would do this deal, their mgmt is competent. Once they said no to Hage plus the phone should have been dropped.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

One I don't think ROR waives to go to Detroit. But two, I am not convinced that these super win-now moves are in our best interest. We can remain competitive with more moderate and opportunistic moves IMO. Big starting point is landing Raddysh and possibly Ferraro, and solidifying our bottom-6 via a couple of signings / trades (Colton, etc). The 2C we can leave open to exploring.

ROR doesn't have any trade protection built into his contract. I know they will try not to send him to a place he doesn't want to go, but if Josi was willing to waive and you could get that package I would send him there in a heartbeat. Plus he only has one year left on his deal.

 

[Morgs]

This is so f***ing funny.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

So the only thing saving us from Pizza boy’s incompetence in trading Knies for a bunch of maybes was his incompetence in submitting the trade late???

 

[Aashir]

Funniest part of Treiliving was that instead of trying to trade aging vets like OEL, this guy zeroed in on trading a young 70 point power forward.

It's actually crazy how much time this dude wastes on things that he shouldn't

spent so much time on rantanen and andersson when we obviously weren't gonna get a deal done
spent time entertaining a prospects filled trade for knies

imagine he was an actual good GM and started actively shopping our guys 2-3 weeks before. Say after the 2nd vegas loss.

If he had his shit together and was competent I wonder if we don't get more for both laughton + mcmann, and deal some other players for picks/prospects like lorentz, benoit, OEL, Woll/Stolarz, Carlo

There were reports that Tre was also very difficult to deal with and turned other gms to other avenues with his act during trades and him being all over the place could play a part in it.

This dude was worse than even early Dubas years...how is that even possible

 

[weems]

Treliving was terrible when here but he just didn't wake up one morning and say "I'm going to trade Knies today, let me call up Montreal".

This type of move is one that you would talk alot with your scouting staff, so as much as it's fun to dunk on Treliving for this potential move, it also means that our scouting staff most likely signed off on this deal centered around Zharovsky.

Same with the Carlo deal. Our scouting department signed off that this was a good player to acquire.

 

[ITM]

Treliving was terrible when here but he just didn't wake up one morning and say "I'm going to trade Knies today, let me call up Montreal".

This type of move is one that you would talk alot with your scouting staff, so as much as it's fun to dunk on Treliving for this potential move, it also means that our scouting staff most likely signed off on this deal centered around Zharovsky.

Same with the Carlo deal. Our scouting department signed off that this was a good player to acquire.

Or it was environmentally driven and Treliving succumbed to the pressure (again) and sought buy-in from his staff asking for a best case scenario.

Remember in one of Treliving’s last press scrums, he said that paying our protected 1st was the cost of getting the deal done?

That’s the mindset of a “get-it-doner” that we see all over corporate positions, who believe that getting the goal across the line IS the goal, and at times at the expense of having gotten it right in the first place.

Hughes dressing down Treliving reads consistent with Treliving’s thought process and comments. Not contrasting Hughes as virtuous here, but it highlights how milquetoast our thankfully former GM operated.

 

[Kiwi]

Treliving was terrible when here but he just didn't wake up one morning and say "I'm going to trade Knies today, let me call up Montreal".

This type of move is one that you would talk alot with your scouting staff, so as much as it's fun to dunk on Treliving for this potential move, it also means that our scouting staff most likely signed off on this deal centered around Zharovsky.

Same with the Carlo deal. Our scouting department signed off that this was a good player to acquire.

Our pro scouting is bloody terrible and I can't honestly tell you the last time it wasn't. My only hope is Brackett comes into the organization and attacks that department with a baseball bat and starts again with some competent people who can identify talent properly

 

[weems]

Or it was environmentally driven and Treliving succumbed to the pressure (again) and sought buy-in from his staff asking for a best case scenario.

Remember in one of Treliving’s last press scrums, he said that paying our protected 1st was the cost of getting the deal done?

That’s the mindset of a “get-it-doner” that we see all over corporate positions, who believe that getting the goal across the line IS the goal, and at times at the expense of having gotten it right in the first place.

Hughes dressing down Treliving reads consistent with Treliving’s thought process and comments. Not contrasting Hughes as virtuous here, but it highlights how milquetoast our thankfully former GM operated.

That could be true but I would say that our pro scouting has been consistently underwhelming for as long as I've followed the team.

Maybe we had a dysfunctional front office and Treliving was off on his own making moves he thought were good but most organizations are run were he would talk to Montreal, find out they were interested in Knies then go back to the scouting staff and have a deep debate on the incoming players.

This whole thing just seems very fishy to me.

 

[Fogelhund]

Treliving was terrible when here but he just didn't wake up one morning and say "I'm going to trade Knies today, let me call up Montreal".

This type of move is one that you would talk alot with your scouting staff, so as much as it's fun to dunk on Treliving for this potential move, it also means that our scouting staff most likely signed off on this deal centered around Zharovsky.

Same with the Carlo deal. Our scouting department signed off that this was a good player to acquire.

I wouldn't guarantee that he talked to anyone in the org. Part of what Pelley said at one of the Press Conferences was that management wasn't on the same page, or some paraphrase like that. In my mind, this would be one of those times... where scouts would be... what the F are you doing?

 

[weems]

I wouldn't guarantee that he talked to anyone in the org. Part of what Pelley said at one of the Press Conferences was that management wasn't on the same page, or some paraphrase like that. In my mind, this would be one of those times... where scouts would be... what the F are you doing?

I find it hard to believe that Treliving was going to trade a young power forward beast and not even run this by his scouting department.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Sypher04]

Not that I think Treliving was good at his job, but where is this allegedly coming from? Is anyone else reporting it?

Has anyone even given any insight into why the alleged deal might have not happened? Because the only way the comment makes sense is if Hughes believes Tre is at fault for it not completing in time.

Also he sounds like a grade A asshole

 

[Marlow88]

I find it quite damning that Kent Hughes would still want to do this proposed deal even in the offseason. That tells me Hughes knew he was ripping off the Leafs big time.

 

[Pinkcat]

It

This is so f***ing funny.

It conjures up all sorts of scenarios such as Hughes being a predator knowing Trelivings tendencies to make bad decisions so he comes in with a last minute trade. Might be mad at himself because he got the timing wrong by a minute and didn't give Tre enough time to complete the deal.

 

[Sypher04]

I can’t understand the logic of a package of Zharovsky, D prospect (likely Engstrom or Pickford), and two 1sts.

That does nothing for us.

 

[weems]

Also, wasn't the narrative from the Chris Johnson, Mirtle, Siegal hitpiece that Pelley showed up on trade deadline day because he had totally lost faith in Treliving and needed to oversee things?

But now, apparently Treliving also had the leverage to trade a young impact player to a division rival for unproven assets?

It just all doesn't seem to make much sense.

 

[SprDaVE]

Also, wasn't the narrative from the Chris Johnson, Mirtle, Siegal hitpiece that Pelley showed up on trade deadline day because he had totally lost faith in Treliving and needed to oversee things?

But now, apparently Treliving also had the leverage to trade a young impact player to a division rival for unproven assets?

It just all doesn't seem to make much sense.

I don't think that was the narrative, but that depends on your interpretation. Pelley sat in to evaluate and see how things would go down. They obviously wanted someone that could work under pressure and also could formulate a win or two... but he failed miserably. A president/CEO sitting in that type of setting happens frequently, especially at such a crossroads in terms of team performance.

I think Treliving still having that type of leeway to perform whatever trade he thought would work does speak to his autonomy, for better or worse.

 

[weems]

I don't think that was the narrative, but that depends on your interpretation. Pelley sat in to evaluate and see how things would go down. A president/CEO sitting in that type of setting happens frequently, especially at such a crossroads in terms of team performance.

I think Treliving still having that type of leeway to perform whatever trade he thought does speak to his autonomy, for better or worse.

He didn't just sit in tho according to these reports.

He was actively pushing trade ideas that he came up with from AI and it upset alot of front office people.

That doesn't sound like someone that had alot of trust in his current GM.

 

[SprDaVE]

He didn't just sit in tho according to these reports.

He was actively pushing trade ideas that he came up with from AI and it upset alot of front office people.

That doesn't sound like someone that had alot of trust in his current GM.

Pelley refuted those claims pretty heavily. But even if he's lying and he did do that, who cares. It was still on Treliving to find good trades and he failed badly.

I'll be honest, Pelley was fully within his role to determine what was going on under his nose. And trust is earned. Speaks volume how fast he got fired after the deadline.

Let's hope Chayka and company have a better handle on being able to navigate it better.

 

[weems]

Pelley refuted those claims pretty heavily. But even if he's lying and he did do that, who cares. It was still on Treliving to find good trades and he failed badly.

I'll be honest, Pelley was fully within his role to determine what was going on under his nose. And trust is earned. Speaks volume how fast he got fired after the deadline.

Of course he's going to refute those claims because it makes him look absolutely terrible.

This whole thing looks suspicious when you look deeper into it.

 

[Brobust]

He didn't just sit in tho according to these reports.

He was actively pushing trade ideas that he came up with from AI and it upset alot of front office people.

That doesn't sound like someone that had alot of trust in his current GM.

Frankly, I don't believe any of that expose from CJ and Siegel anymore.