GDT: Trade and Free agent rumours thread | Post Trade Deadline Edition

[TheScandal89]

God must've sped up time in order to stop that trade from happening and I'm pretty relieved it didnt happen. We know Knies is a top 6 LW, but we don't know how good Zharovsky will be. Could definitely be a bust when he comes to NA. I can't name a single Russian that became a leaf legend. I feel like he'll develop better in their Organization then ours tbh.

I don't have faith in our team to to pick a better player then Knies with 2 late 1sts either. I'm not even confident they will make the right choice with the #1 pick cause its not as obvious as like a McDavid draft.

 

[weems]

Frankly, I don't believe any of that expose from CJ and Siegel anymore.

Who knows anymore.
It feels like alot of this Leafs era has been this culture war between the old guard and the new guard.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[SprDaVE]

Of course he's going to refute those claims because it makes him look absolutely terrible.

This whole thing looks suspicious when you look deeper into it.

Fair but regardless of what happened in that warroom, Treliving had no problems being to have any sort of autonomy to do what he felt was the right move to forward. Unfortunately for him and somewhat fortunately for us, things landed the way they did.

Now we move forward with a new manager and hopefully more optimism that they can find a way to pivot without digging a bigger hole. Maybe it'll be more of the same, we'll see.

 

[hamzarocks]

What happened to Hage?

The rumor straight from the mouth of the man Pelley was that he had talked about Mrtka and Hage based packages in a deal for Knies.

However, now we are hearing about about 2 1sts + Zharokovsky package.

Seems really odd, that the details are changing up/switched. Not sure how accurate the reports are.

Hopefully dont do that habs package as its not one that gives us a high degree certain core piece

 

[weems]

Fair but regardless of what happened in that warroom, Treliving had no problems being to have any sort of autonomy to do what he felt was the right move to forward. Unfortunately for him and somewhat fortunately for us, things landed the way they did.

Now we move forward with a new manager and hopefully more optimism that they can find a way to pivot without digging a bigger hole. Maybe it'll be more of the same, we'll see.

Also, most of the open mindedness about a Knies trade I've seen has come from the more analytical posters online (suggesting he's kind of overrated).

But two "dump and chase" hockey dinosaurs we're going to trade an absolute tank with leadership for days to their closest rival for some lottery tickets

It just all sounds so disjointed and doesn't really add up beyond Treliving is a donkey which is true.

 

[LeafSteel]

Is there anything about this team that isn’t bat-shit crazy and incredibly tiresome?

 

[The Masters]

guy is a beast of a GM

Imagine getting a talked down to by that creature Kent Hughes.

 

[Brobust]

What happened to Hage?

The rumor straight from the mouth of the man Pelley was that he had talked about Mrtka and Hage based packages in a deal for Knies.

However, now we are hearing about about 2 1sts + Zharokovsky package.

Seems really odd, that the details are changing up/switched. Not sure how accurate the reports are.

Hopefully dont do that habs package as its not one that gives us a high degree certain core piece

No, that is not from the 'mouth of Pelley'. He simply referenced those players to talk about the prospect depth of those teams.

 

[ULF_55]

Pelley refuted those claims pretty heavily. But even if he's lying and he did do that, who cares. It was still on Treliving to find good trades and he failed badly.

I'll be honest, Pelley was fully within his role to determine what was going on under his nose. And trust is earned. Speaks volume how fast he got fired after the deadline.

Let's hope Chayka and company have a better handle on being able to navigate it better.

You mean, the owner, or representative, has some privileges by virtue of being an owner?

And if member of the GM team are offended because they have to justify their decisions then perhaps their decisions are indefensible.

One of my last bosses was a micromanager, but it wasn't long before they left me to do my thing because they trusted me after results came in. I dislike micromanagers, but just find them annoying rather than disabling.

When Chayka just spoke he relegated the CEO to an employee in his talk. He said owner, and then CEO, ... recognizing who the ultimate boss is, Rogers.


Chayka sounds like he's very thorough, not sure how quickly had can arrange trade(s), but maybe that's a good thing.

Leafs do have some outside the franchise expertise he's brought in. More knowledge is a good thing when doing trade work-ups.

 

[ITM]

Imagine getting a talked down to by that creature Kent Hughes.

Not happening with Darth Chayka.

 

[WTFMAN99]

All it takes is looking at draft history last 10 years from pick 20-32 and realize you have a small chance to get a player that might be remotely as good as Knies...you strike out on those 2 picks and Zhar can't adapt to North America and oh look, you gave away your prime age power forward for nothing.

If he was 27 and leaving in 1-2 years, you make the trade but as it stands, unless a top pair D like Harley gets offered in a Knies deal, you don't consider a 4 quarters for a dollar scenario.

 

[Vince Young]

Flames could've accelerated their rebuild if they didn't refuse to negotiate with Brad. oh well.

 

[SprDaVE]

All it takes is looking at draft history last 10 years from pick 20-32 and realize you have a small chance to get a player that might be remotely as good as Knies...you strike out on those 2 picks and Zhar can't adapt to North America and oh look, you gave away your prime age power forward for nothing.

If he was 27 and leaving in 1-2 years, you make the trade but as it stands, unless a top pair D like Harley gets offered in a Knies deal, you don't consider a 4 quarters for a dollar scenario.

Vaguely reminds me of the Hagel trade to Tampa Bay for Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, 2023 1st round pick (Oliver Moore) and 2024 1st round pick (Sacha Boisvert). Katchouk is still an AHLer, Taylor Raddysh is at best a 3rd liner, the 2 picked prospects are trending decently well... but none of them look to be as dominant as Hagel, but obviously still early for that.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Vaguely reminds me of the Hagel trade to Tampa Bay for Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, 2023 1st round pick (Oliver Moore) and 2024 1st round pick (Sacha Boisvert).

Also as I typed it, it made me think of how Matthews is 28 and likely leaving in 1-2 years and we should probably cash out lol.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Also, most of the open mindedness about a Knies trade I've seen has come from the more analytical posters online (suggesting he's kind of overrated).

But two "dump and chase" hockey dinosaurs we're going to trade an absolute tank with leadership for days to their closest rival for some lottery tickets

It just all sounds so disjointed and doesn't really add up beyond Treliving is a donkey which is true.

I think the prospect of trading Knies is a simple gamble: do we win with him before concussions/other injuries break him down? These guys rarely make it past 30 without turning into a shell of their mid-20s selves, if you don’t think you have a legitimate shot of winning in the next couple years, you need to sell your unicorn while he’s still at peak value with a lot of underpaid years left on that contract.

I’m not saying we should make the trade right now or what it should look like, but it’s pretty straightforward motivation for it imo. This year I like the odds of Knies putting up a career year with a rebounding offensive group, if we’re still visibly far away from contention after that maybe you start taking more serious calls that offseason.

 

[Vince Young]

Also didn't brad the previous year not want to trade Knies for Rantanen but wanted to do that??

 

[Marlow88]

Not that I think Treliving was good at his job, but where is this allegedly coming from? Is anyone else reporting it?

Has anyone even given any insight into why the alleged deal might have not happened? Because the only way the comment makes sense is if Hughes believes Tre is at fault for it not completing in time.

Also he sounds like a grade A asshole

Kent Hughes seems to be very dislikeable and full of sour grapes. There was an article that was published earlier this week where he said the Leafs were lucky to win the lottery.

Hughes and MacCrimmon are leading the charage on the most dislikeable GMs in the NHL today.

 

[weems]

I think the prospect of trading Knies is a simple gamble: do we win with him before concussions/other injuries break him down? These guys rarely make it past 30 without turning into a shell of their mid-20s selves, if you don’t think you have a legitimate shot of winning in the next couple years, you need to sell your unicorn while he’s still at peak value with a lot of underpaid years left on that contract.

I’m not saying we should make the trade right now or what it should look like, but it’s pretty straightforward motivation for it imo. This year I like the odds of Knies putting up a career year with a rebounding offensive group, if we’re still visibly far away from contention after that maybe you start taking more serious calls that offseason.

I don't even hate the overall idea as much as some but it just seems like a move a more data centric front office would make vs an old school "intangibles" one that in theory loves players like Knies.

If they do infact know something about his health or think they were trading the Habs damamaged goods, it makes more sense.

Also how often would Treliving have even seen Zharovsky play if at all? He would have been leaning on our scouts here and they must have been convinced Zharovsky is going to be very good.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Treliving seemed so directionless. What was his plan? Blow it up a start a rebuild? I can find a deal or 2 where trading Knies might make some sense. Hell, maybe the rumoured Habs deal would have worked out great who knows. It just doesn't make any sense in our situation. Trading him for a winger prospect and 2 late 1sts when we need defense(and eventually centers) and we just traded away our 1st for the next 2 years is nonsensical. It wreaks of Montreal calling him up 30 minutes before the deadline with this offer and Tre being so blown away and in love with Zharkovsky that he had to get it done. Doesn't seem like any other teams were in on it like Knies was being shopped. Just a holy shit that's a great offer, yes lets do it, oops I was a minute too late.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I don't even hate the overall idea as much as some but it just seems like a move a more data centric front office would make vs an old school "intangibles" one that in theory loves players like Knies.

Also how often would Treliving have even seen Zharovsky play if at all? He would have been leaning on our scouts here and they must have been convinced Zharovsky is going to be very good.

I could see it being a last ditch gamble for Treliving to stay as GM. You trade Knies for straight futures, Matthews is probably demanding a trade this offseason, Nylander goes as the next domino. You don’t have time to do a new GM search and find a guy that wants to be airdropped into a situation where your first task is trading pissed off stars with NMCs and the media on fire about it.

 

[Rare Jewel]

What happened to Hage?

The rumor straight from the mouth of the man Pelley was that he had talked about Mrtka and Hage based packages in a deal for Knies.

However, now we are hearing about about 2 1sts + Zharokovsky package.

Seems really odd, that the details are changing up/switched. Not sure how accurate the reports are.

Hopefully dont do that habs package as its not one that gives us a high degree certain core piece

You mean Hagey?

Obviously, Montreal doesn't have a player by that name.

 

[Kiwi]

Also, wasn't the narrative from the Chris Johnson, Mirtle, Siegal hitpiece that Pelley showed up on trade deadline day because he had totally lost faith in Treliving and needed to oversee things?

But now, apparently Treliving also had the leverage to trade a young impact player to a division rival for unproven assets?

It just all doesn't seem to make much sense.

If this has happened it shows you how dysfunctional our front office was because if somebody wasn't asking what the **** we were up to and why were trading a 23 year old PF for futures why the **** are we keeping a 33 year old OEL?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Vaguely reminds me of the Hagel trade to Tampa Bay for Katchouk, Taylor Raddysh, 2023 1st round pick (Oliver Moore) and 2024 1st round pick (Sacha Boisvert). Katchouk is still an AHLer, Taylor Raddysh is at best a 3rd liner, the 2 picked prospects are trending decently well... but none of them look to be as dominant as Hagel, but obviously still early for that.

Just passing thru and reading your board and saw this

Only works as comp if Leafs intend to blow it all up with new GM and start full tear down which they wont I imagine after winning lottery

For Hawks Davidson after getting interim tag taken of (After convincing ownership team could not retool and needed rebuild) had to tackle reality Hawks had shitty team and lacked 1st round pick (Traded in Bowman's Seth Jones deal)

His rebuild moves that started tear down

- Traded Hagel who's cheap contract and play made him hot commodity (For package you mentioned)
- At draft traded Debrincat for 2022 1st (Kevin Korchinski), 2022 2nd (Paul Ludwinski) and 2024 3rd (AJ Spellacy)
- At draft traded Dach for 2022 1st (Frank Nazar)
- At draft took on Mrazek contract to upgrade our 2nd (Leafs drafted Fraser Minten) for your 1st (Hawks drafted Sam Rinzel)
- Didn't re-sign Dylan Strome (Who no team offered anything for at TDL)
- Didn't re-sign Dominik Kubalik (Guy who after impressive NHL start never showed improvement and regressed)

Signed a few guys clear trade bait (Domi most prominent) to 1 yr deal, Took on cap dumps for picks (Zaitsev and Dickinson) and then in season traded away Kane, Domi and a few others for picks and bottomed out completely with final part of Hawks cup era walking away from game (Toews) due to health

Hawks won lotto landing Bedard and since then our GM has made series of trades to gain extra 1st round picks, etc. Infact every draft he has tried to trade into 1st round multiple times with only 2023 failing to find trade partner. (In 2024 his attempt to trade with Columbus to draft Demidov failed but he still traded back into later 1st)

Davidson has put premium on acquiring multiple 1st round picks so he can make multiple selections every year

2022 = Drafted Korchinski, Nazar and Rinzel
2023 = Drafted Bedard and Moore
2024 = Drafted Levshunov, Boisvert and Vanacker
2025 = Drafted Frondell, Nestrasil and West

This year Hawks only have one 1st round pick (#4) but do have possible trade chips via 2nd rounders to jump back in later (#34, #37 and #45 picks)

Next year Hawks have three 1st round picks as possible trade chips in Hawks 1st, Panthers 1st (Unprotected) and Oilers 1st (Top 12 protected, Becomes 2028 unprotected if Oilers draft top 12) as well as two 2nd round picks (Hawks 2nd + Canucks 2nd)

I do wonder if Leafs had not won lotto if your organization would have ok'd a blowup similar to Hawks.. Though I think Leafs ownership is probably very much against a full rebuild