GDT: Trade and Free agent rumours thread | Post Trade Deadline Edition

[Menzinger]

Have you actually seem something suggesting they wouldn't qualify him? I know he is a top 6 style guy without a top 6 spot once McKenna gets here but does that mean they would just let an asset fly away? Going into a year with $20M+ in cap space they can't find $4.1M? It seems like a lot of dislike for a couple of players that is sort of disconnected from their impact on the cap space or from the lineup of talent they are blocking. Not saying this is your idea because I am seeing the same things posted a bit. Not qualified, especially when you have the cap space kind of screams scrub talent to me. Maybe I have my beer goggles on but are these two guys scrubs?

No its just pure speculation on my part.

I actually don't mind Maccelli that much as a player, but we've seen more teams the last few years get more comfortable not qualifying rfas that may not fit into their roster plans and his qualifying offer of 4ish mil, which I'm sure management won't mind having to play around with in free agency or for other trades.

Basically if they want to retool they're going to need to make room for new bodies on the roster which means some guys are going to have to go out the door

I'd keep him over Robertson if it comes down to it though - higher potential and more proven

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Please elaborate.

 

[LeafEgo]

If Toronto traded Knies for their 1st rounder back after winning the lottery what's the league gonna do? Tell Philly they're not allowed to value Knies more than the first overall pick so it has to be collusion? This isn't a fantasy league with commissioner who vetos trades they deem unfair. It's a legal trade and would clearly go through.

Whether Philly would believe we'll give Boston the 1st overall pick if they declined is another question. But if the strong-arming worked the league wouldn't do anything. It would look like a normal trade.

It's an interesting and creative way to circumvent the league approval dynamic.

But let's be mindful that this game starts with Toronto having no claim to the 1OA pick -- collectively belonging to Philly and Boston. Expectation is that these two would cooperate in some capacity to preserve that power.

So Toronto has to adequately make up for the loss of the 2028 1st, and overcome the assymetry in leverage against the gatekeepers.

Maybe doable if they can thread the needle to the point of breaking the monopoly, but probably costs a lot more than Knies to land DuPont in this hypothetical.

 

[juicer4000]

Look, you don't understand taxation, jock taxes etc... that's fine. Google AI is not going to give you the answers you want. The difference is closer to 15% in most cases. Take 15% and do your math from there.

Darren Raddysh keeps $3.62M clear in Tampa on a $5.75M AAV deal. Because Ontario takes 53.53% of every dollar over $250k, Toronto has to hand him a gross salary of $7.8 million just for him to clear that same $3.62M. Stop telling me it's a '15% difference.' It's a 35% cap penalty for being located in Ontario. Look at a paycheck calculator before you reply.
 
Thanks for being such class act saying I'm wrong when I was pretty ignorant but still correct

 

[Legion34]

I don't see how that makes sense for them, given they have Barkov, Lundell and Bennett down the middle already. The only way it makes sense, is if Barkov is done, and by all reports that isn't the case.

Is moving Lundell AND the 9th the right move for Florida, when their need really is goaltending... assuming Bob is finding a new Zipcode.

9th plus for helly is obvious

 

[juicer4000]

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Funny the class acts here that act self righteous even when they are wrong.
Try cardinal point athlete advisors, it does the math for you.
I will be accepting apologies when you are ready

 

[WTFMAN99]

9th plus for helly is obvious

I see their 2 2nds going over to Minnesota for Filip Gustavsson

Minny needs cap space and assets for Larkin.

 

[phillipmike]

If I’m Florida, I’m keeping 9th overall to draft one of Bjork, Rudolph or Verhoeff unless a legit star wants to come over.

They have $15M in cap space and have every one signed except Samoskevich and they need 2 goalies. They are setup quite nicely.

As we can see based on the final 4 teams in the finals, you don’t need a stud goalie. Just go sign 2 or Bob, Freddie or Skinner as your 1A and 1B goalies. Keep your assets. And maybe have the luxury of going after a top D on a one year deal like Carlson.

Rangers in for a long haul rebuild. Shesterkin isn’t going to stay for that. Has a full NMC. Could force a trade to Florida and the Panthers wouldn’t have to give up anything of consequence. Maybe 2 2nds and one of their recent 2nd round picks.

Doesn’t take a lottery pick to get a top goalie anymore.

 

[WTFMAN99]

If I’m Florida, I’m keeping 9th overall to draft one of Bjork, Rudolph or Verhoeff unless a legit star wants to come over.

They have $15M in cap space and have every one signed except Samoskevich and they need 2 goalies. They are setup quite nicely.

As we can see based on the final 4 teams in the finals, you don’t need a stud goalie. Just go sign 2 or Bob, Freddie or Skinner as your 1A and 1B goalies. Keep your assets. And maybe have the luxury of going after a top D on a one year deal like Carlson.

Rangers in for a long haul rebuild. Shesterkin isn’t going to stay for that. Has a full NMC. Could force a trade to Florida and the Panthers wouldn’t have to give up anything of consequence. Maybe 2 2nds and one of their recent 2nd round picks.

Doesn’t take a lottery pick to get a top goalie anymore.

You will never get Shesterkin for 2 2nds lol.

 

[phillipmike]

You will never get Shesterkin for 2 2nds lol.

You’re not getting much more. $11M goalie with a full no movement who can dictate where he goes where goalies are valued as much as before.

His numbers are only going to get worse on a rebuilding team when guys like Fox and Trocheck are moved.

 

[WTFMAN99]

You’re not getting much more. $11M goalie with a full no movement who can dictate where he goes where goalies are valued as much as before.

His numbers are only going to get worse on a rebuilding team when guys like Fox and Trocheck are moved.

Or they don't trade him.

Shesterkin is under contract, they are not being forced to trade Shesterkin for a subpar return.

If he wants out, NYR need to get a return they deem appropriate or they don't trade him.

Saying anything beyond this is silly.

 

[Buckley]

Darren Raddysh keeps $3.62M clear in Tampa on a $5.75M AAV deal. Because Ontario takes 53.53% of every dollar over $250k, Toronto has to hand him a gross salary of $7.8 million just for him to clear that same $3.62M. Stop telling me it's a '15% difference.' It's a 35% cap penalty for being located in Ontario. Look at a paycheck calculator before you reply.
 
Thanks for being such class act saying I'm wrong when I was pretty ignorant but still correct

You ever ask yourself why these issues never come up for NBA or NFL players? NY and California have tax rates similar to Ontario, but NBA players don't run to Dallas and San Antonio instead of the Lakers or Knicks.

 

[Duffman955]

You ever ask yourself why these issues never come up for NBA or NFL players? NY and California have tax rates similar to Ontario, but NBA players don't run to Dallas and San Antonio instead of the Lakers or Knicks.

No hard cap

 

[juicer4000]

You ever ask yourself why these issues never come up for NBA or NFL players? NY and California have tax rates similar to Ontario, but NBA players don't run to Dallas and San Antonio instead of the Lakers or Knicks.

No, I use logic when I think about concepts and I don't follow sports outside of the leafs marlies and a few jr teams that have leafs prospects.

 

[juicer4000]

Or they don't trade him.

Shesterkin is under contract, they are not being forced to trade Shesterkin for a subpar return.

If he wants out, NYR need to get a return they deem appropriate or they don't trade him.

Saying anything beyond this is silly.

That applies for any player, saying that was silly

 

[Fogelhund]

 

[Buckley]

No hard cap

That isn't it.

 

[phillipmike]

Or they don't trade him.

Shesterkin is under contract, they are not being forced to trade Shesterkin for a subpar return.

If he wants out, NYR need to get a return they deem appropriate or they don't trade him.

Saying anything beyond this is silly.

Sure. You’re welcome to do that. But do you want a guy who can steal you a game or 2 which lowers your chances at a higher pick. Also we’ve seen good drafting teams find value in the 2nd round. You want to add those to your system early on.

Just look at the history. The top goalies with big contracts don’t get trade a lot in the cap era and when they do, they don’t go for a lot.

Funny enough; last time was Luongo and Florida waited them out and they gave up two former 2nd round picks

 

[Dreakmur]

Darren Raddysh keeps $3.62M clear in Tampa on a $5.75M AAV deal. Because Ontario takes 53.53% of every dollar over $250k, Toronto has to hand him a gross salary of $7.8 million just for him to clear that same $3.62M. Stop telling me it's a '15% difference.' It's a 35% cap penalty for being located in Ontario. Look at a paycheck calculator before you reply.
 
Thanks for being such class act saying I'm wrong when I was pretty ignorant but still correct

Even if they paid their entire salary at their local tax rate, it would be a 52% to 36% difference. That’s not how it works though. They pay half of their salary at that rate. The rest would depend on their away games, and since they’re in the same division, they have the same away schedules.

That would mean they pay the same rate on half their salary, and the extra 16% for the Toronto home games.

 

[Buckley]

No, I use logic when I think about concepts and I don't follow sports outside of the leafs marlies and a few jr teams that have leafs prospects.

The logical answer is that these athletes, like other high net worth individuals, have tax lawyers that create structures to minimize tax differences. Does it eliminate the difference entirely? I have no idea, because it would depend on each player's particular tax situation, but just looking at tax rates between jurisdictions and drawing a firm conclusion underestimates the kind of tax structuring these guys can do.