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kb said:
Don't want him even if he isn't.

What happens after the Leafs sell the farm for him and he walks after next season because of no cap space and we lost all those assets to get him?

Man, Leaf posters are getting so dim it's scary!
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We usually agree but maybe my proposal was a tad rich. Adding a top 6 2 way hyper competitive stud like miller to this group i think could unlock that next year for these guys.
No ones talking about selling the entire farm, one of 4 top prospects plus a 1st is what Tampa paid for Coleman. Adding a middling roster piece and conditional pick is probably needed. If they make/win a cup final in the two runs with miller is anyone going to give a shit about pick 31/32 in 2023? At some point you gotta use those pieces to push you over the top.
If the cap increases by then maybe miller re-signs, at that point who cares about the cost because the spot you’re looking to fill is done so with a quality piece.
 
Nylanderthal said:
More like both pieces you listed, plus if they have term well need retention to make it fit. Think TB getting Blake Coleman for 50% for a season and a half (2 playoffs) it was Nolan Foote and a 1st. That’s for a third line guy/middle 6W. If we want a bonafide top 6 solution it’s those pieces + maybe ++
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True enough. A retention would absolutely raise the price considerably. A reasonable asking price (w/o a 1st or that type of prospect as the headlining piece) only works if it's for a backup like Campbell was (or maybe whomever his equivalent would be as a d-man or forward). Actually, even that is unlikely.
 
Nylanderthal said:
We usually agree but maybe my proposal was a tad rich. Adding a top 6 2 way hyper competitive stud like miller to this group i think could unlock that next year for these guys.
No ones talking about selling the entire farm, one of 4 top prospects plus a 1st is what Tampa paid for Coleman. Adding a middling roster piece and conditional pick is probably needed. If they make/win a cup final in the two runs with miller is anyone going to give a shit about pick 31/32 in 2023? At some point you gotta use those pieces to push you over the top.
If the cap increases by then maybe miller re-signs, at that point who cares about the cost because the spot you’re looking to fill is done so with a quality piece.
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We do agree for the most part.

My issue is that there will be no cap left to resign Miller after next season, and the potential replacement(s) for Miller was traded away (Amirov), along with Kerfoot (who is doing well and can play LW/C), Holl, who is valuable even as depth, AND the Leafs 1st.

That package is way too much for a LW who will walk after next season, not to mention those 4 assets sent out the door to get him here.

This would effectively mean a rebuild starts after next season.
 
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kb said:
We do agree for the most part.

My issue is that there will be no cap left to resign Miller after next season, and the potential replacement(s) for Miller was traded away (Amirov), along with Kerfoot (who is doing well and can play LW/C), Holl, who is valuable even as depth, AND the Leafs 1st.

That package is way too much for a LW who will walk after next season, not to mention those 4 assets sent out the door to get him here.

This would effectively mean a rebuild starts after next season.
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How do you figure? You still have 3 of the 4 prospects, you have miller & kerfoots cap space, you can re-up one maybe both depending how the cap increases. Holl is very much a product of his partners and freeing up his cap while insulating the guys who need to play makes sense. If you get DimJim to take Holl + Ritchie you’re saving over 1m in cap for the next season. I have no expectations of either of the picks being relevant for a few seasons, so I don’t see that as relevant in the 23 off-season. I know it’s incredibly steep, but it’s adding a ppg two way guy to a roster that needs more punch in the middle of it and it puts this team into the next tier the next two seasons.
 
James Blackley said:
MLSE would never do a rebuild, hell, I'm not sure you could call the Shana plan a rebuild in and of itself.
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I generally agree. That for me was more of a trading away of the highest cap hits and pillars from the previous regime in Kessel and Phaneuf. The current core pieces are still young enough to make hockey trades with if significant change needs to occur.
 
Dreakmur said:
We've re-tooled every year. If they lose again, the core is the problem. New GM, new coach, new core.... that's more than a retool.
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I see what you mean. I consider the GM and coach as separate entities from the players. I also think of a rebuild as trading away players for prospects and picks in an attempt to start anew and become younger. My preferred method for change would be to make a (blockbuster?) hockey trade (or trades).
 
Buds17 said:
I see what you mean. I consider the GM and coach as separate entities from the players. I also think of a rebuild as trading away players for prospects and picks in an attempt to start anew and become younger. My preferred method for change would be to make a (blockbuster?) hockey trade (or trades).
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I'd be ok with a re-tool, but that would almost have to be Marner. I'm not sure Dubas is willing to make that trade.
 
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Nylanderthal said:
How do you figure? You still have 3 of the 4 prospects, you have miller & kerfoots cap space, you can re-up one maybe both depending how the cap increases. Holl is very much a product of his partners and freeing up his cap while insulating the guys who need to play makes sense. If you get DimJim to take Holl + Ritchie you’re saving over 1m in cap for the next season. I have no expectations of either of the picks being relevant for a few seasons, so I don’t see that as relevant in the 23 off-season. I know it’s incredibly steep, but it’s adding a ppg two way guy to a roster that needs more punch in the middle of it and it puts this team into the next tier the next two seasons.
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Relax
Cap will eventually go up
Sooner rather then later
Seattle joining
Fans back In the stands
Tv contracts
Winter is coming but things will be ok
 
Personally, i'd like to see management stand pat this season instead of making a "go for it" trade.

The only roster spot that should be upgraded on paper is Kerfoot at 2LW (assuming Mikheyev returns to complete the shutdown 3rd line), but Kerf provides great utility and is playing excellent dating back to last fall. Capitalize on his value this summer and recoup futures.

There is a glut of top 6 wingers available in UFA this summer (Domi, Rust, Smith, Kadri, etc.). A guy like JT Miller at the TDL will cost another 1st + quality prospect (minimum) and the Leafs absolutely cannot afford to pay that right now. They desperately need Robertson and Amirov on ELCs and are coming off a draft with 3 picks.

Use this season to get your internal guys' feet wet (Liljegren, Sandin + Steeves, Robertson down the stretch) so that next year there are less growing pains.
 
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Dragao6 said:
Relax
Cap will eventually go up
Sooner rather then later
Seattle joining
Fans back In the stands
Tv contracts
Winter is coming but things will be ok
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I know, that’s why I’m saying adding a guy like JT miller can work because when he needs to be extended the cap will be rising
 
Knies iT said:
Personally, i'd like to see management stand pat this season instead of making a "go for it" trade.

The only roster spot that should be upgraded on paper is Kerfoot at 2LW (assuming Mikheyev returns to complete the shutdown 3rd line), but Kerf provides great utility and is playing excellent dating back to last fall. Capitalize on his value this summer and recoup futures.

There is a glut of top 6 wingers available in UFA this summer (Domi, Rust, Smith, Kadri, etc.). A guy like JT Miller at the TDL will cost another 1st + quality prospect (minimum) and the Leafs absolutely cannot afford to pay that right now. They desperately need Robertson and Amirov on ELCs and are coming off a draft with 3 picks.

Use this season to get your internal guys' feet wet (Liljegren, Sandin + Steeves, Robertson down the stretch) so that next year there are less growing pains.
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No rentals, but if you can upgrade the roster for a season plus you gotta consider it. This might be the sweet spot with Willy Matty and Mitch maturing and muzz JT etc still being at the top of their games.
 
Nylanderthal said:
I know, that’s why I’m saying adding a guy like JT miller can work because when he needs to be extended the cap will be rising
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I personally would do it also
We could essentially get him for free if we want
Use him for 2 runs or use him this year and at next years deadline trade him for a 1st
That for me would be great asset management
 
I'm a JT Miller fan, love his versatility and all but this is a player we should revisit in a year from now. The cost will simply be too high and we're in no position to deal more 1st round picks. Cap space is gold so I'm not interested in dealing ELC players like Robertson and Amirov.

If we really want to move the needle, improve other areas of the roster and save cap space in the process then Marner is the guy to move.
 
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Kiwi said:
Tell him to look at our center Depth, Kampf is offensively challenged and Spezza is as old as dirt

If that doesn't interest him nothing will
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I was actually just starting my night shift and noticed that Spezza has posted 6 points in 19 GP now. I'm wondering if it's just age or playing C instead of RW predominantly? That could be something to keep an eye on as the season goes on.
 
Dreakmur said:
We've re-tooled every year. If they lose again, the core is the problem. New GM, new coach, new core.... that's more than a retool.
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If they lose again, I think it's safe to say Dubas and Shanahan are gone, neither guy has a card left to play in their holster if its a playoff miss or 1st round exit. Keefe will be 50/50, it will all depend on the new GM they bring in, and whether or not he wants a new coach to play his style of hockey, with 2 years left on his contract it's easy to bury him.

As for the core? I don't see it.... Matthews is a 25 year old guy who is a 50 goal scorer, unless they get a king ransoms offer, he's not going anywhere. JT is a useless left tit making far too much coin and has a NMC, he's not going anywhere,, anytime soon. Marner? With his contract doubt it.Maybe they can package Willy in a deal and get a bonafied top stud D?
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I was actually just starting my night shift and noticed that Spezza has posted 6 points in 19 GP now. I'm wondering if it's just age or playing C instead of RW predominantly? That could be something to keep an eye on as the season goes on.
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Or maybe he's playing on the 4th line? Still, even if he gets 25 points, that's a decent haul for a 4C... Spezza has been solid this year.
 
James Blackley said:
If they lose again, I think it's safe to say Dubas and Shanahan are gone, neither guy has a card left to play in their holster if its a playoff miss or 1st round exit. Keefe will be 50/50, it will all depend on the new GM they bring in, and whether or not he wants a new coach to play his style of hockey, with 2 years left on his contract it's easy to bury him.

As for the core? I don't see it.... Matthews is a 25 year old guy who is a 50 goal scorer, unless they get a king ransoms offer, he's not going anywhere. JT is a useless left tit making far too much coin and has a NMC, he's not going anywhere,, anytime soon. Marner? With his contract doubt it.Maybe they can package Willy in a deal and get a bonafied top stud D?
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Tavares has 16 points in 18 games.
 
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