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The fact that the 1st will be the better of the mon/car picks is a huge deal imo. I can't remember the new lottery rules but this draft has basically 3 #1 overall picks in it all and is deep

If either team shits the bed Arizona might have traded a 26 year old 50 point scorer for a 18 year old 90 point scorer
 
tmlms13 said:
The fact that the 1st will be the better of the mon/car picks is a huge deal imo. I can't remember the new lottery rules but this draft has basically 3 #1 overall picks in it all and is deep

If either team shits the bed Arizona might have traded a 26 year old 50 point scorer for a 18 year old 90 point scorer
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It's the higher pick unless it's in the top 10, then it's the lower pick. Essentially they guaranteed it will be a mid first rounder or later.

Good deal for the Habs IMO, Dvorak is a quality two-way second liner locked in through his prime.
 
VanW27 said:
It's the higher pick unless it's in the top 10, then it's the lower pick. Essentially they guaranteed it will be a mid first rounder or later.

Good deal for the Habs IMO, Dvorak is a quality two-way second liner locked in through his prime.
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Christian Dvorak: Career high goals - 18. Career high points - 37. Number of 40 point seasons: 0. Age: 25. AAV: $4.45 million.

Alex Kerfoot: Career high goals 19. Career high points - 43. Number of 40 point seasons: 2. Age: 27. AAV: $3.5 million.

One of these players is looked upon as a great deal being acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, while the other is regarded as a cap dump.
 
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Christian Dvorak: Career high goals - 18. Career high points - 37. Number of 40 point seasons: 0. Age: 25. AAV: $4.45 million.

Alex Kerfoot: Career high goals 19. Career high points - 43. Number of 40 point seasons: 2. Age: 27. AAV: $3.5 million.

One of these players is looked upon as a great deal being acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, while the other is regarded as a cap dump.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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I agree that Dvorak cost too much, but if we're looking at the stats, let's not forget, in the last 2 years, he had 18 goals in 70 games, and 17 goals in 56 games. He has improved on that front.
 
kb said:
Christian Dvorak: Career high goals - 18. Career high points - 37. Number of 40 point seasons: 0. Age: 25. AAV: $4.45 million.

Alex Kerfoot: Career high goals 19. Career high points - 43. Number of 40 point seasons: 2. Age: 27. AAV: $3.5 million.

One of these players is looked upon as a great deal being acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, while the other is regarded as a cap dump.
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1. Dvorak is a quality 2-way NHL centre (strong on the draw, has the size to battle down low), Kerfoot is a winger who can play centre if needed (terrible on the draw, gets pushed around down low) - Position makes a big difference.

2. Talking about raw season point totals for Dvorak is clearly misleading and disingenuous. He's only had 2 full seasons in the NHL, 5 seasons total but seasons 3 (injuries), 4 (pandemic), and 5 (pandemic) were all cut short. Dvorak has placed for 22G and 45pts over the last 2 seasons, Kerfoot has paced for 12G and 34pts over the last 2 seasons.

3. Kerfoot is underrated, we've been forced to use him in a more defensive role as 3C, but if used to his strengths as a top 6 playmaking winger he would be a productive player for us.
 
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1st in PP time. Basically no PK time.
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That still doesn't make him an offensive specialist, or not a top 4 defenseman. Do you think Chabot, Josi, Rielly, Hughes, Klingberg, Theodore, etc. are not top-4 defensemen? The most hilarious part is Toews spent more time shorthanded than on the PP last year. I'm not sure why it's so hard to acknowledge that the Islanders traded away a quality player.
 
Lightsol said:
Canadiens fans are in the process of convincing themselves Dvorak is a better Danault...
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He's better offensively than Danault and better defensively than KK along with having better numbers. They did not get a top center but did OK considering the situation. Dvorak makes 4.5 in the next four years. KK 6.1 and Danault 5.5
 
kb said:
Christian Dvorak: Career high goals - 18. Career high points - 37. Number of 40 point seasons: 0. Age: 25. AAV: $4.45 million.

Alex Kerfoot: Career high goals 19. Career high points - 43. Number of 40 point seasons: 2. Age: 27. AAV: $3.5 million.

One of these players is looked upon as a great deal being acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, while the other is regarded as a cap dump.
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Hahaha. It's so true.

Kerfoot has no value though. Can't wait for the Arena Operator and the pretend season ticket holder to wake up and wet their pants gushing over how great the Dvorak deal is.
 
Dvorak has played on a poorly run Yotes team throughout his development so I think his stat line will bolster with the Habs. Its a fair deal for a second line centre, which he will be there.

Dvorak is stylistically similar to Danault but also as an asset. An underwhelming 2c but a luxury 3c on a cup team.
 
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Dvorak has played on a poorly run Yotes team throughout his development so I think his stat line will bolster with the Habs. Its a fair deal for a second line centre, which he will be there.

Dvorak is stylistically similar to Danault but also as an asset. An underwhelming 2c but a luxury 3c on a cup team.
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Habs getting a "2C" that just has bad stats because of Arizona, I feel like I've heard this story before. At least Dvorak doesn't have Domi's personality I guess.
 
Martin Skoula said:
Habs getting a "2C" that just has bad stats because of Arizona, I feel like I've heard this story before. At least Dvorak doesn't have Domi's personality I guess.
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Domi was still a winger and not full time centre. Montreal tried converting him to the C full time. Dvorak is actually a capable centre that replaces Danault. It’s a lateral move. Nothing more, nothing less.

Habs are worst than they were at the start of the offseason.
 
Dvorak is one of those players rebuilding teams hang their hats on as part of their next wave, and don't quite get it done, so they move on and become second tier guys. Montreal and Arizona both seem to have a lot of these guys coming and going, whether we're talking Dvorak, Domi, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Duclair, Strome, etc.
 
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Stephen said:
Dvorak is one of those players rebuilding teams hang their hats on as part of their next wave, and don't quite get it done, so they move on and become second tier guys. Montreal and Arizona both seem to have a lot of these guys coming and going, whether we're talking Dvorak, Domi, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Duclair, Strome, etc.
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A lot of it has to do with subpar drafting and development. Neither team are good at either.
 
VanW27 said:
It's the higher pick unless it's in the top 10, then it's the lower pick. Essentially they guaranteed it will be a mid first rounder or later.

Good deal for the Habs IMO, Dvorak is a quality two-way second liner locked in through his prime.
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But what is the AZ affect with this guy? A legit center but does he seem likely to have more than 20-20 potential? I like it from the Habs POV because the guy is a legitimate center and KK and Danault produced f*** all this season. Okay move for the Habs but seems unlikely to push his numbers much from last year.
 
Dekes For Days said:
That still considerably underrepresents what the Islanders traded away for a mediocre return, but at least it's a tiny bit better than calling him a #5.
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Why is trading a fourth round pick for two seconds a "mediocre return", especially since we don't know anything (not even the names) of the two picks?

A lot of posters, many of them here, keep saying the Islanders are an old team in cap hell. Maybe getting two players who will be young and cheap for several years is a good idea.
 
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