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Gallagbi said:
I don't think there's a chance a team wants to take a flyer on a struggling goalie with no time to prep for playoffs as a back-up option.

If he had just lost his starters gig then maybe, but he's an injured goalie in the midst of a career worst season with a reputation as a playoff choker.
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who just signed for 4+M

GMs are dumb
 
Can we take on Kesler for assets and just toss him on LTIR? 1 more year, $6.875 mil.

Maybe Rakell (retained) + Kesler for Kerfoot / Engvall

Something like that
 
Phion Keneuf said:
Can we take on Kesler for assets and just toss him on LTIR? 1 more year, $6.875 mil.

Maybe Rakell (retained) + Kesler for Kerfoot / Engvall

Something like that
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Isn't Kesler's contract insured? If it is, there's no reason for Anaheim to pay an asset to unload a guy they don't have to pay.
 
Dreakmur said:
Isn't Kesler's contract insured? If it is, there's no reason for Anaheim to pay an asset to unload a guy they don't have to pay.
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Apparently 80% is insured.

Guess it depends how much they value $1.375 mil. If that’s how it works… idk could be wrong lol
 
Dreakmur said:
Far from an insurance expert, but 80% insured sounds like they'd cover 80% of the cost :laugh:
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80% of annual cost, or 80% of entire contract.

That’s what I meant :laugh:

80% of entire contract and the last couple years would be fully insured, opposed to an annual amount which would leave $1.375 uninsured this year
 
Phion Keneuf said:
Can we take on Kesler for assets and just toss him on LTIR? 1 more year, $6.875 mil.

Maybe Rakell (retained) + Kesler for Kerfoot / Engvall

Something like that
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LTIR doesn't help us at all in this situation. It actually hurts us.

LTIR only helps you if:

A) the player on LTIR is coming back for the playoffs ie Kucherov/Kane.
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B) you are under the cap to start the year with that $6.875M included and then you accrue a ridiculous amout of cap space for the deadline (like we were going to do to get Marner signed if he held out).

Kesler would make neither of those things possible so all you do is lock in your roster for this year because you will be unable to accrue space during the season.
 
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Trade Reilly plain and simple. Everyone trying too hard to trade players that do nothing for the Leafs and their cap situation. The player to be dealt should be Reilly. He returns the most in a trade (as seen in Jones deal), he clears 5 million off the books, and ultimately nets organization some draft capital its sorely missed the past couple of seasons.

The Leafs can easily acquire 2 first's and a prospect for Reilly. Jones got 2 firsts, a second and player drafted 8th overall 3 years ago. Reilly and Jones are not that far off as much as people would like to believe. Very similar players in pros and cons.
 
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BlueForever75 said:
Trade Reilly plain and simple. Everyone trying too hard to trade players that do nothing for the Leafs and their cap situation. The player to be dealt should be Reilly. He returns the most in a trade (as seen in Jones deal), he clears 5 million off the books, and ultimately nets organization some draft capital its sorely missed the past couple of seasons.

The Leafs can easily acquire 2 first's and a prospect for Reilly. Jones got 2 firsts, a second and player drafted 8th overall 3 years ago. Reilly and Jones are not that far off as much as people would like to believe. Very similar players in pros and cons.
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Great, we get some picks and then what?

Who do we replace Reilly with?

Selling without replacement is such a loser move
 
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hockeynorth said:
Jones is overrated but he doesn't suck

He's just not Norris level
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Tbf Jones has sucked for like 3 years now. Like really bad. He was Norris level right before it, so it wouldn't be surprising at all to see him bounce back in a less trap oriented, win the game 0-0 system.
 
The Podium said:
Great, we get some picks and then what?

Who do we replace Reilly with?

Selling without replacement is such a loser move
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I was gonna say pretty much exactly this. We are not moving Rielly to just recoup picks. We need roster players, be flipping those assets for roster players or forget it
 
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The Podium said:
Selling without replacement is such a loser move
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https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2021...with-an-unsigned-morgan-rielly-on-the-roster/

This is not unfamiliar territory for the Leafs, save for the fact that they might actually salvage some value in return for Hyman prior to losing him.
If they don’t, Hyman will join a growing number of players who have walked out of the organization as UFAs for nothing in return in the five-year run where the Leafs have been eliminated in the first round every single season (note: technically, they lost out in the play-in round against Columbus — not the first round).
This growing list of players includes:
  • Zach Hyman
  • James van Riemsdyk
  • Tyler Bozak
  • Jake Gardiner
  • Leo Komarov
  • Tyson Barrie
  • Cody Ceci
  • Tomas Plekanec
  • Brian Boyle
  • Ron Hainsey
  • Roman Polak
  • Tyler Ennis
  • Kyle Clifford
  • Zach Bogosian (likely)
  • David Rittich (likely)
  • Riley Nash (likely)
  • Ben Hutton (likely)
  • Nick Foligno (likely)
Now, some of these are trade deadline acquisitions, so while it might not be the same as a long-tenured player walking for free, they are players the Leafs paid assets for, the team was promptly eliminated, and the players then walked for free.
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Add Rielly. Winner moves
 
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BlueForever75 said:
Trade Reilly plain and simple. Everyone trying too hard to trade players that do nothing for the Leafs and their cap situation. The player to be dealt should be Reilly. He returns the most in a trade (as seen in Jones deal), he clears 5 million off the books, and ultimately nets organization some draft capital its sorely missed the past couple of seasons.

The Leafs can easily acquire 2 first's and a prospect for Reilly. Jones got 2 firsts, a second and player drafted 8th overall 3 years ago. Reilly and Jones are not that far off as much as people would like to believe. Very similar players in pros and cons.
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I don't disagree with the premise of trading Reilly, unless he was willing to extend, at very close to his current cap hit. He's a very good offensive D man, but isn't very good defensively. If he's going to need $8-9 million to extend, IMO he isn't worth that. Then again, these guys that all signed for that, I don't think they are worth it either.

Somehow, we'd need some sort of replacement, and I'm not sure who is selling a player that who would come close to net what Reilly does. Ekholm was a name brought up previously, but I'm not sure that Nashville are sellers, or what the cost would be.

But, who is in the market for a LD, who would have the currency we'd want in return... I can think of Boston, or Calgary, but neither would be willing to move the pieces we'd need.
 
The Podium said:
Great, we get some picks and then what?

Who do we replace Reilly with?

Selling without replacement is such a loser move
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The prospect coming back can be an already controlled and younger dman that plays either side as we have 2 players in our D that can play either side (Brodie and Dermott).

Reilly isnt irreplaceable people. What exactly does he provide that a player like Sandin, or Lilly or Dermott cannot provide? Why because he scored 20 goals ions ago!!! Cause he can put up 50pts a season? Believe me, give Dermott or Sandin his minutes and they too will produce offensively. He doesnt play PK and was taken off PP. So other than his 24 minutes plus a game given with the number one pairing. What does he provide? His D is horrible!!!!!
 
Sypher04 said:
I was gonna say pretty much exactly this. We are not moving Rielly to just recoup picks. We need roster players, be flipping those assets for roster players or forget it
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Then Dubas should have planned for this - instead he hasn't even started negotiations with Rielly apparently
 
Fogelhund said:
I don't disagree with the premise of trading Reilly, unless he was willing to extend, at very close to his current cap hit. He's a very good offensive D man, but isn't very good defensively. If he's going to need $8-9 million to extend, IMO he isn't worth that. Then again, these guys that all signed for that, I don't think they are worth it either.

Somehow, we'd need some sort of replacement, and I'm not sure who is selling a player that who would come close to net what Reilly does. Ekholm was a name brought up previously, but I'm not sure that Nashville are sellers, or what the cost would be.

But, who is in the market for a LD, who would have the currency we'd want in return... I can think of Boston, or Calgary, but neither would be willing to move the pieces we'd need.
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Dubas must have a plan (I hope). IMO Leafs needed to get in front of this and moved him prior to July 28th. How many posters were saying trade Rielly and sign <insert dman here> ?? Still has time but the longer he waits the lower the return and higher the price to sign him.
 
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Sypher04 said:
No one is suggesting letting him walk for nothing
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But you cant bend to his demands either. Leaf nation should and will understand not paying him more than 6 million a season. Truly that is what he is worth. He is no more important to the Leafs than Muzzin and Brodie, SIMPLE!!!! Paying him more says he is, and that is an inexcusable offence.

He doesnt play in any key situations. Last season with a one goal lead in last minute he was never on ice!!! Doesnt play PK. And was recently vanished from PP1. If that doesnt tell management and the fanbase that if there is a market to sell him as Jones was to do it. Then Im sorry this franchise will forever be going no where.

I am a huge Leafs backer, I will protect them till the bitter end. But to not trade Reilly and bend to his demands. Giving him a contract that he simply isnt worth. That would be hard to support or defend.
 
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BlueForever75 said:
The prospect coming back can be an already controlled and younger dman that plays either side as we have 2 players in our D that can play either side (Brodie and Dermott).

Reilly isnt irreplaceable people. What exactly does he provide that a player like Sandin, or Lilly or Dermott cannot provide? Why because he scored 20 goals ions ago!!! Cause he can put up 50pts a season? Believe me, give Dermott or Sandin his minutes and they too will produce offensively. He doesnt play PK and was taken off PP. So other than his 24 minutes plus a game given with the number one pairing. What does he provide? His D is horrible!!!!!
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Typical exaggeration. His D isn't horrible. It's not the strength of his game, but for every time he gets burned and people lose their minds, he stopped a fair deal more that people ignore. While nobody has been claiming he's irreplaceable, he's not easily replaced either. Just assuming Sandin or Dermott can fill his role may work out to some extent, but it's far from something a team with designs on winning can or should be counting on. I also think outright Dermott lacks the skillset to replace the game Rielly plays for this team. Sandin is closer to Rielly stylistically, but his game is very immature defensively so moving him into big minutes is a risk
 
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BlueForever75 said:
But you cant bend to his demands either. Leaf nation should and will understand not paying him more than 6 million a season. Truly that is what he is worth. He is no more important to the Leafs than Muzzin and Brodie, SIMPLE!!!! Paying him more says he is, and that is an inexcusable offence.

He doesnt play in any key situations. Last season with a one goal lead in last minute he was never on ice!!! Doesnt play PK. And was recently vanished from PP1. If that doesnt tell management and the fanbase that if there is a market to sell him as Jones was to do it. Then Im sorry this franchise will forever be going no where.

I am a huge Leafs backer, I will protect them till the bitter end. But to not trade Reilly and bend to his demands. Giving him a contract that he simply isnt worth. That would be hard to support or defend.
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I think Rielly very arguably is worth more because of market value, but yeah there obviously has to be an intersection between what he wants and what the leafs can afford that makes sense. Obviously, if he prices himself out you move him. You just better get back a player who is ready to make an impact on the roster
 
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