GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread -- To trade or not to trade...

[crump]

I think the writing is on the wall for Rielly. He hasn’t helped propel us past the first round, we have no gauge as to his value deeper in the playoffs but we know what he is.

It’s time to evaluate Sandin in a larger sample size on the PP and let his minutes creep up as the season moves on. If he can provide the same stats and numbers Rielly does, we should recoup some high picks/top prospect from Rielly in trade and move on. We don’t owe him 8-9 million a year for what he has brought.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Safe to say a few more moves to come;

 

[Magic Man]

Safe to say a few more moves to come;

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I think it makes sense to carry 7 D instead of 13 forwards and the way it has been set up so far, they haven't blocked Liljegren. I expect him to be on the team. I'd rather be short a forward for a few games than a dman.

Waive the other two with Joey Anderson as well. Move Engvall for a draft pick if it's there.

I don't see much movement. Outside of a bunch of waiver wire options at forward.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think it makes sense to carry 7 D instead of 13 forwards and the way it has been set up so far, they haven't blocked Liljegren. I expect him to be on the team. I'd rather be short a forward for a few games than a dman.

Waive the other two with Joey Anderson as well. Move Engvall for a draft pick if it's there.

I don't see much movement. Outside of a bunch of waiver wire options at forward.

Over the cap though by 600k, even sending down someone like Brooks and recalling Liljegren, it doesn't improve the situation.

At the least, Mikhayev or Engvall seem to be like the odd ones out.

 

[Magic Man]

Over the cap though by 600k, even sending down someone like Brooks and recalling Liljegren, it doesn't improve the situation.

At the least, Mikhayev or Engvall seem to be like the odd ones out.

Engvall for sure.

If a pick or prospect is there, grab it. If not waive him and Brooks and save Liljegren and the cap issues are solved. Brooks has already cleared waivers once. With an extra team in the league I think the wire could take one or two. Kind of reminds me of the McElhinney and Pickard situation with those young forwards (Engvall, Brooks, Anderson).

 

[Advanced stats]

Safe to say a few more moves to come;

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Maybe, maybe not. Last year Toronto was happy to run a 21 man roster

 

[zeke]

Safe to say a few more moves to come;

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I think its safe to remove Brooks from that roster, which gets us under the cap with one extra forward on the team and no extra defensemen.

Thing is, I do have a hunch that Dubas would rather have the freedom to carry 2 extra guys, and that if he wants to carry only 1 extra guy it would be a dman not a forward.

So i'm not going to be surprised if there's a trade coming at some point. A 2 forwards for 1 forward trade wouldn't surprise me.

The thing is that the forward I think is the weakest there is Simmonds. And with the addition of Ritchie he becomes even less important to keep on the roster.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think its safe to remove Brooks from that roster, which gets us under the cap with one extra forward on the team and no extra defensemen.

Thing is, I do have a hunch that Dubas would rather have the freedom to carry 2 extra guys, and that if he wants to carry only 1 extra guy it would be a dman not a forward.

So i'm not going to be surprised if there's a trade coming at some point. A 2 forwards for 1 forward trade wouldn't surprise me.

The thing is that the forward I think is the weakest there is Simmonds. And with the addition of Ritchie he becomes even less important to keep on the roster.

I think it's one of Engvall or Mikhayev.

Brooks at 725k, less than minimum wage was a nice add to the roster whenever he played IMO.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I think the writing is on the wall for Rielly. He hasn’t helped propel us past the first round, we have no gauge as to his value deeper in the playoffs but we know what he is.

It’s time to evaluate Sandin in a larger sample size on the PP and let his minutes creep up as the season moves on. If he can provide the same stats and numbers Rielly does, we should recoup some high picks/top prospect from Rielly in trade and move on. We don’t owe him 8-9 million a year for what he has brought.

Sandin is an exciting prospect that looks ready for a full time role, but I don't think he has the speed or physical stature to replace Rielly.

I agree that we should recoup assets for Rielly though if we can't sign him to a reasonable contract extension.

 

[Magic Man]

I think its safe to remove Brooks from that roster, which gets us under the cap with one extra forward on the team and no extra defensemen.

Thing is, I do have a hunch that Dubas would rather have the freedom to carry 2 extra guys, and that if he wants to carry only 1 extra guy it would be a dman not a forward.

So i'm not going to be surprised if there's a trade coming at some point. A 2 forwards for 1 forward trade wouldn't surprise me.

The thing is that the forward I think is the weakest there is Simmonds. And with the addition of Ritchie he becomes even less important to keep on the roster.

I would agree that of the forwards left Simmonds is the weakest link going into the year. But, the group as a whole is still not very strong physically, which is a big reason they re-upped him before getting to FA even after his poor second half after his injury. Ritchie, Bunting, Simmonds and AM34 are basically the only guys you have to be careful with out there.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I think it's one of Engvall or Mikhayev.

Brooks at 725k, less than minimum wage was a nice add to the roster whenever he played IMO.

Brooks has more IQ than Mik and Engvall combined. Knows where to be and knows how to track the puck.

I have Brooks as a sneaky 40 point candidate if he hits the 12 minute ice time mark.

 

[zeke]

I think it's one of Engvall or Mikhayev.

Brooks at 725k, less than minimum wage was a nice add to the roster whenever he played IMO.

imo that's just points bias. Im a Brooks fan but he racked up some points on high percentages in soft usageon that thornton-Brooks-Spezza line, and really wasn't very good overall imo. Mikheyev and Engvall played much tougher minutes with much more complete games, despite their inability to convert on their many chances like Brooks did.

 

[mydnyte]

am i the only one hoping we sign (on the mega cheap) Gudbranson as a 6th dman?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Brooks has more IQ than Mik and Engvall combined. Knows where to be and knows how to track the puck.

I have Brooks as a sneaky 40 point candidate if he hits the 12 minute ice time mark.

imo that's just points bias. Im a Brooks fan but he racked up some points on high percentages in soft usageon that thornton-Brooks-Spezza line, and really wasn't very good overall imo. Mikheyev and Engvall played much tougher minutes with much more complete games, despite their inability to convert on their many chances like Brooks did.

Diminishing returns with Engvall/Soup, you can likely keep 1 but they pretty much offer the same skill set.

Liked the tenacity that Brooks played with, I don't even know what his production is but if it's good, even better, I like players that can score goals.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

imo that's just points bias. Im a Brooks fan but he racked up some points on high percentages in soft usageon that thornton-Brooks-Spezza line, and really wasn't very good overall imo. Mikheyev and Engvall played much tougher minutes with much more complete games, despite their inability to convert on their many chances like Brooks did.

I like Mik as a fan favorite he's easy to route for and a good guy, but I'm starting to notice he masks a lot of his flaws with those rocket legs. Take away the legs and he's a fringe NHL player. Below average awareness both in the O and D zone. No finish. No intensity in the playoffs, looks scared. Useless on the boards especially in the playoffs. Rare to see him win a puck battle in the playoffs.

He didn't use his legs against the Habs and became a waste of a roster spot because of it. Brooks has more upside in my opinion because he's smarter and more skilled. Reads the play better than Mik does.

Your last point about conversion is significant to me. The teams that went deep in the playoffs convert chances we tend to miss. I feel more safe having Brooks hovering around in the o-zone than Mik especially in games our top players go cold and we need a depth goal.

Engvall I'm torn on. He looks like a changed man after his benching. Started to throw the body around although it's odd he chose game 7 to revert back to being soft.

I'd go Brooks, Engvall over Mik, Engvall.

 

[Kurtz]

I like Mik as a fan favorite he's easy to route for and a good guy, but I'm starting to notice he masks a lot of his flaws with those rocket legs. Take away the legs and he's a fringe NHL player. Below average awareness both in the O and D zone.

Mikey is probably the best defensive forward on the team - his defensive awareness is excellent. He's also one of the fastest players in the league - it's weird to try to dismiss that.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Mikey is probably the best defensive forward on the team - his defensive awareness is excellent. He's also one of the fastest players in the league - it's weird to try to dismiss that.

Going to have to agree to disagree. I've seen nothing from Mik to suggest he has excellent defensive awareness. He's only useful when the legs are moving. If he has to put them aside and use his hockey brain instead he's not excellent at anything.

I'm not dismissing his legs. Just pointing out what they mask. Mik is not a guy I roll with if the Cup is the goal. Habs depth players easily out matched him.

 

[zeke]

I like Mik as a fan favorite he's easy to route for and a good guy, but I'm starting to notice he masks a lot of his flaws with those rocket legs. Take away the legs and he's a fringe NHL player. Below average awareness both in the O and D zone. No finish. No intensity in the playoffs, looks scared. Useless on the boards especially in the playoffs. Rare to see him win a puck battle in the playoffs.

He didn't use his legs against the Habs and became a waste of a roster spot because of it. Brooks has more upside in my opinion because he's smarter and more skilled. Reads the play better than Mik does.

Your last point about conversion is significant to me. The teams that went deep in the playoffs convert chances we tend to miss. I feel more safe having Brooks hovering around in the o-zone than Mik especially in games our top players go cold and we need a depth goal.

Engvall I'm torn on. He looks like a changed man after his benching. Started to throw the body around although it's odd he chose game 7 to revert back to being soft.

I'd go Brooks, Engvall over Mik, Engvall.

Speed and length us just so damn important imo.

Brooks has to be very good offensively to outweigh their huge advantages in those areas and while Brooks was productive this year a lot of that was opportunistic and I'm not sure too sustainable.

That being said I've always liked Brooks and like having him in the mix. And I don't think he's a risk of getting claimed on waivers.

 

[4thline]

I like Soup, but cap wise him for a pick is the round peg/round hole simple move that lets us ice pretty much any 22 man roster we want to out of camp, and I think Engvall covers a lot of the same bases plus providing some insurance at C

 

[SprDaVE]

I like Soup, but cap wise him for a pick is the round peg/round hole simple move that lets us ice pretty much any 22 man roster we want to out of camp, and I think Engvall covers a lot of the same bases plus providing some insurance at C

I'd rather have Mikheyev than Engvall at their current cap space. I don't think I'd want to find out if a 6'5" skating machine can score on another team versus ours. His wrist cut really set him back and I think the Leafs should really find other ways of getting cap space.

With that said, if a team offers the Leafs a pretty good return, like say a great prospect and/or a package of top 60/90 picks, then...

 

[Ashdown2]

call me crazy but if seattle since whats kerfoot what are the chances they would accept a
kerfoot + dermott + prospect
trade for
lauzon/fleury + morgan geekie + picks

thoughts.

 

[BlueForever75]

Soup isnt going anywhere. He gives consistent effort and sooner or later his hands will catch up to his feet. He plays a tenacious game all over the puck shift in and shift out. I wish he would use his body more along with his legs. But if anyone watched only half of the Leafs games this past season, they would have seen a player that had 2 glorious scoring chances a game. This guy can play and wont give up. We need more like him on this team to be successful, not getting rid of him.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Anxious about Rielly and the idea of losing him next year.

I'm rather bullish we should re-sign him or trade him before the season begins. If we are seeking a trade, find a younger defenseman where we can turn back the clock a few years and plug that player into our lineup. Trade Rielly to a competing team ready to win now and take back a younger player that hasn't entered his prime.

Sort of like the Raptors trading Powell for Gary Trent Jr.

 

[fahad203]

Soup isnt going anywhere. He gives consistent effort and sooner or later his hands will catch up to his feet. He plays a tenacious game all over the puck shift in and shift out. I wish he would use his body more along with his legs. But if anyone watched only half of the Leafs games this past season, they would have seen a player that had 2 glorious scoring chances a game. This guy can play and wont give up. We need more like him on this team to be successful, not getting rid of him.

I am a big soup critic but I think he needs to stay. Especially after our "iffy" signings and resignings. Simmonds shouldn't be anywhere near this team.
Kase can be a good add, but I have a feeling he's not going to be effective after 2 years of absence and 4 concussions throughout. If he plays, he'll play very cautious, which is not very good for hockey players

Soup still gives us versatility and can move up and down the line up if injuries happens.

I really don't know anything about how Robertsson going to play

I fully expect Spezza to decline. We wasted 2 good years from him
But he'll be 39 and has never been a good skater. We need the skaters to stay around

 

[BlueForever75]

I'd rather have Mikheyev than Engvall at their current cap space. I don't think I'd want to find out if a 6'5" skating machine can score on another team versus ours. His wrist cut really set him back and I think the Leafs should really find other ways of getting cap space.

With that said, if a team offers the Leafs a pretty good return, like say a great prospect and/or a package of top 60/90 picks, then...

I dont understand why everyone is so down on Engvall. The guy produced everytime he was given an opportunity. He''s quick, big and can become skillful if played with the right players.

Why not try him out on the wing with either Tavares or Matthews? Was Hyman that important to the Leafs when he first came over? All it took was a coach that believed in him and put him with Matthews!!!!