GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - The Madness Continues

[OVO16]

Evander Kane is available through trade according to Frank Seravalli. Would be an Ideal fit for a number of reasons. He's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds as well.

Would he make sense with Retained Salary?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I like the Dvorak idea

Would have liked Cizikas coming in instead of Kampf

Not sure why we couldn't keep Freddie at 4.5 over Mrazek at 3.8? Why not keep your players happy, isn't he pretty tight with Mathews and Co.?
Hymans interview proved he was ready to go but, losing Freddie over 700K? Damn...

Andersen's time was done here. I hope he does well elsewhere, but he was not a good goalie by the end of his contract.

 

[Dreakmur]

Why are you against leveling the field per cap considerations? Why are you willing to see another team have a built in advantage? As @leaffaninvancouver suggested, "Use the amount a player makes after income taxes as the caphit. So Tampa and Toronto each can offer a player a 5 million dollar contract, just the income taxes are added on top of that. It wouldn't be perfect but it would help."

In what world does that not make some sense?

As you say, different locations offer different advantages: off ice income, weather, fame, anonymity, family, education, cost of living, all are valid reasons for a player to choose one place over another. Allow the player to decide what's most important for their lifestyle. But, present the teams a level playing field to sign whomever chooses based on equal salary consideration. Why is this difficult for you?

I’m not against it… but there isn’t a way to do it, so it’s just a whiny bitch-fest.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Best goal scorer in the league shouldn’t be put in positions to score goals…. Are we feeling okay leafs nation?

People have gone off the deep end at this point. It's freaking bizarre. I hope things settle down for the regular season or this place is going to be a cesspool of negativity.

 

[rumman]

Evander Kane is available through trade according to Frank Seravalli. Would be an Ideal fit for a number of reasons. He's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds as well.

Would he make sense with Retained Salary?

Another guy with character flaws, there’s a reason he’s available.

 

[Dreakmur]

Try harder doesn't build winning habits, it's a way to dumb down a complex problem.

It’s not about “try harder”. It’s about removing excuses.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I’m not against it… but there isn’t a way to do it, so it’s just a whiny bitch-fest.

Hey, maybe you should just try harder to make it happen.

 

[BlueForever75]

I honestly believe the Leafs do not need to swing for the fences with a superstar acquisition on the wing. They have the talent in the top 6 to make anyone look average as they did with Hyman. Hence his payday.

As we made Hyman into what he is today, why can we not do the same for players like Engvall and Micheyev?

I personally feel Engvall would be an ideal fit next to Matthews and Nylander. Big body that can skate (better than Hyman) and shoot the puck (better the Hyman). He isnt afraid to lay the body and not afraid to go into the corners to retrieve the puck. Ultimately I think he has the potential to be better the Hyman.

I would focus remaining funds on rebuilding the 3rd line. Between Engvall and Kerfoot, you have the pieces to fill out the top 6 wing positions. Find legitimate pieces that know their roles on the 3rd. You signed 1 in Bunting. Find another winger and center to fill out the rest of it.

Thats how I would go about filling out this roster.

 

[Amadeus]

Evander Kane is available through trade according to Frank Seravalli. Would be an Ideal fit for a number of reasons. He's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds as well.

Would he make sense with Retained Salary?

Can't afford him unless Nylander goes. I like Kane, don't like the baggage. He's a PF though and the type of player we sorely lack in our top 6, but unless Nylander goes, we can't make it fit.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I actually think if we are legitimately making a shutdown line mikheyev should stay. But that's the only scenario I keep him

I think Engvall Kampf Soup could make a nightmare forechecking/checking line for opponents to have to plan around.
They won’t score much, if at all, but will almost never be caught in their own end.

 

[Dreakmur]

Hey, maybe you should just try harder to make it happen.

Which one do you think is reasonable, the players voluntarily taking a pay cut or the owners voluntarily paying more?

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Which one do you think is reasonable, the players voluntarily taking a pay cut or the owners voluntarily paying more?

I'm seeing a lack of effort, just try harder. I don't need excuses.

 

[OVO16]

Can't afford him unless Nylander goes. I like Kane, don't like the baggage. He's a PF though and the type of player we sorely lack in our top 6, but unless Nylander goes, we can't make it fit.

How so? Kane @50% with kerfoot going the other way to match salaries. Could work

 

[Nylanderthal]

Can't afford him unless Nylander goes. I like Kane, don't like the baggage. He's a PF though and the type of player we sorely lack in our top 6, but unless Nylander goes, we can't make it fit.

Why would we ever entertain the idea of trading the one guy who provides absolute positive value for his contract among the big 4?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Hey, maybe you should just try harder to make it happen.

Hey Randal, this is Randal. Nobody cares. Try harder

 

[Nylanderthal]

How so? Kane @50% with kerfoot going the other way to match salaries. Could work

Can’t see the sharks retaining 50% for that long, and if they’re willing to that should be a massive red flag IMO

 

[meefer]

The point of the cap is not to equalize; it's to cover up the fact that the NHL has a handful of franchises that are flat out unsustainable, and in the old wide-open FA system, they were constantly hemorrhaging talent because in that environment, the only way to retain good players in unpopular markets was to overpay, and those franchises were already losing tons of money. The cap prevents the rich teams from poaching talent from the small teams, and revenue sharing allows the NHL to cover up that half the league is consistently losing money.

I told you, what really really pisses me off as a Leafs fan is that not only is Tampa benefiting from the tax situation, they also qualify for revenue sharing. So those back-to-back Cups? Toronto, New York and Montreal helped pay for those...

Bettman wanted a hard cap, but he didn't bother to look at other leagues with hard caps, like the NFL, to see what they do. So unlike the NFL, the NHL has no way of changing a contract once it's signed, and all the money is guaranteed, with the only way to eliminate a contract outright is to buy it out and take double the contract as a penalty. This is INSANE. The cap floor, which was almost definitely created at the request of the NHLPA (to avoid teams spending next to nothing, which you know some teams would do if they could), creates an even worse situation; ever notice that the teams that are massively overpaying middle-6 forwards generally don't have the high contracts of the top forwards? When you don't have enough guys worth big money, you have to compensate by overpaying the guys down a level from that to hit the cap floor. This would be fine if it weren't for the fact that every contract effects every other contract going forward. So when you get a team overpaying middle-6 forwards, it jacks up the price for middle-6 forwards LEAGUE-WIDE.

The result? The Leafs are actually being actively punished by the system for having their young players break out too fast, before their ELC's ended, allowing them to demand much higher contracts quicker than most players. Is there any other league that literally punishes teams for doing the right thing like this?

And Bettman won't change it because his expansion franchises benefit more than anyone else from this system.

Thank you. A detailed and well argued series of thoughts. An interesting comment regarding the NHLPA, I don't think I've considered that before. A lot to digest, and I'm not a capologist/economist, but I'm unsure that overpaying a middle sixer demands that all contracts league wide have to follow suit. Eventually, the team involved in overpayment would see their limit reached, yes? I'd poorly argue the cyclical nature of economics might engage at this point, but here I'm on shaky ground. As another suggested, use after tax income as the basis of the cap hit?

Much appreciated the thought you put in your answer. I'll try to give this more thought. Cheers.

 

[Stephen]

Evander Kane is available through trade according to Frank Seravalli. Would be an Ideal fit for a number of reasons. He's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds as well.

Would he make sense with Retained Salary?

Last I checked a team can’t retain 100% of salary.

 

[Stigma]

Wish Jack Eichel had a brother named Reese.

Took me a few seconds but.....

 

[meefer]

I’m not against it… but there isn’t a way to do it, so it’s just a whiny bitch-fest.

Well, as @leaffaninvancouver offered, there is a solution, or at least a step in the right direction. Care to comment on his proposal and why it isn't feasible? It wouldn't be hard to calculate. Unless you wish to carry on with a whiny bitch-fest about how things can never change.

 

[Stigma]

Evander Kane is available through trade according to Frank Seravalli. Would be an Ideal fit for a number of reasons. He's really good friends with Wayne Simmonds as well.

Would he make sense with Retained Salary?

I'm down. Wayne Simmonds is a good dude so maybe he can help Kane tone down on the douchiness a bit.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Ah yes, so neither of you can answer my question. It isnt what would you do differently in hindsight, the question is what would you do differently today?

I'm not a GM with scouts, assistants, full scouting reports, information noone else has, a capologist.so it would just be throwing shit out there

 

[Cor]

A hint?

 

[Dreakmur]

Well, as @leaffaninvancouver offered, there is a solution, or at least a step in the right direction. Care to comment on his proposal and why it isn't feasible? It wouldn't be hard to calculate. Unless you wish to carry on with a whiny bitch-fest about how things can never change.

That results in the owners paying more money. That’s not a solution they go for.

 

[SprDaVE]

A hint?

Dont think he's much of an insider but seems like a decent link and a decent dot connection.

Tatar on a 1 year deal would be very good.