The Leafs can overpay, and the system can also drive those prices up at the same time. Marner at 9.5 million is still an overpay, but at least it's just an overpay and not also a tax issue.
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The Leafs can overpay, and the system can also drive those prices up at the same time. Marner at 9.5 million is still an overpay, but at least it's just an overpay and not also a tax issue.
A soft cap is the solution. It allows teams to go over the cap should they want to. That way Toronto can go over 30% and match the no-state income teams.
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Before any one of those guys signed their deals, they weren't close to Marner when he signed his, and even further from Matthews. Makar might be the best defenseman in the league right now, but even then he got about as much as Mitch should have gotten. Only Pasta of those F is better, and only Ehlers is close.
I'm sure some teams would go for it, i'm sure some owners prefer no cap, or a luxury tax.
To be honest, I wasn't intending to detail the thread with all this tax chat. I'm happy to keep discussing this elsewhere though.
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I mean that simply isnt true....
Makar's deal is widely not considered good, especially in comparison to Heiskanen who also just signed
Gaudreau signed at 9.25% of the cap in 2016 after two seasons of 60-70 point production, Nylander was 8.75%. That is right on as far as comparisons go.
Ehlers signed after a single year of production (almost identical to Nylanders) 1 year prior to RFA and came in at 8% relative to Nylander's 8.75% after doubling down on his 60+ point season
Pastrnak signed at 8.9% of the cap after a single year of top line production (70 points), which comes in slightly higher than Nylanders 8.75% after two years.
Scheifele signed at 8.4% after a single year of 60 point production
So ya, you just named a bunch of players that fell exactly in line with the Nylander's contract...
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Teams would vote no… even if they’d use the extra room. They don’t want to feel pressure to spend more.
1.) they absolutely did. Prior to tampa winning the cup. Multiple teams had combinations of
-good weather.
-original 6/big market
-history of winning
la. Chicago. SJ. Rangers. Their players didn’t sign for less. Why would Tampa’s players. Coming off multiple missed runs and the biggest choke in all of playoff history take less to keep the team together. Compared to teams that you know. Actually won?
high tax big markets in the USA attract tons of players. They don’t sign for less
2.) you have your history wrong. Crosby signed for 17.5% of the cap in his 2nd contract for 5 years.
he then signed a massive like 13 year deal to keep the AAV down. He took term because he was 1 hit away from the end of his career for years.
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I'm sure some would have no problem spending over the cap if allowed. Think about how many teams are on the edge of the cap. They'd go over by 5 10 mil easy if it boosts their product.
Not expecting much on the FA front today. Seems like a wait it out period for top line options.
Maybe a search for another Marlies C.
Maybe deal with the rfa’s (Malgin, Duszak, Menell).
Curious to see what’s names get floated as trade options - Kerfoot has been the only one, really.
Maybe a search for another Marlies C.
Maybe deal with the rfa’s (Malgin, Duszak, Menell).
Curious to see what’s names get floated as trade options - Kerfoot has been the only one, really.
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They’d want do it at times, but as soon as you open it up, the fans would put pressure to do it all the time. That’s why they’d vote no - they currently have artificial cost control.
I feel like the longer Saad goes unsigned the better our chances are. I mean, if we are in on him, of course
I can tell you MTL, TOR, NYR, BOS, WAS, TB, VAN, EDM, WIN, PIT among the teams who would spend higher and basically any team not name FLA, ARI, CAR,OTT, ANA, NJ those teams have internal budgets due to poor attendance those for sure don't want to do it and it's GARY that allows these teams to be on the same playing field as a team like the Leafs, MTL, NYR, BOS who probably bring in 2/3 of the league revenue to prop up those crappy franchises.
What are you basing that on? You don't think New York or Toronto wouldn't happily spend more money? Toronto clears something like $3,000,000 a regular season game in gate revenue alone. The prices in the playoffs are even higher.
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They're not outliers at all. You're largely naming players who were not remotely comparable to the likes of Matthews/Marner at time of signing, who improved afterwards to become the players they are now, which is still worse than Matthews/Marner. The only one with even an argument to be in a similar realm was Makar (who actually does play in a lower-tax area), but he's a defenseman, and I'm pretty sure he got the highest value post-ELC contract for a defenseman ever.
That's just replacing one advantage a subset of teams have with another imo
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So you think these owners are going to vote to spend more money for little to no return?
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