Trade and Free Agency Thread - C'mon More Trades!

[Menzinger]

I mean who knows what he would or would not accept but.

who in their right mind is paying Freddie 5 million?

He is coming off back to back not good years. Holtby is way more accomplished and got 2 x4. Heck Talbot got 2.75 x 3.

if Freddie can get 5. Good for him. I think he gets a dobby contract myself.

I personally want hill to try to groom him. Or dreiger.

failing that

2.5-3.5 million on Freddie/halak/reimer/mrazek etc. All are similar range.

I really think Freddie could be a good tandem with Campbell for cheaper

Yeah, unless Andersen gets an opportunity in the playoffs for a redemption arc he's probably going to have to take a cheap 1-3 year deal, at potentially under 4 mil aav.

I don't think any team as of this moment would be willing to drop another 5x5 on him

 

[Nylanderthal]

Would people rather see Seattle take Kerfoot in the expansion draft and opening up 3.5 mil or one of the D such as Dermott to open up a spot for Sandin?

I hope they take Kerfoot as 3.5 mil space in a flat cap might be hard to move without taking any back. You probably could move Dermott easier getting picks back.

Ideally Reilly is on the move this summer before free agency unless he wants to come back for a discount.

Being one of the few around here who sees value in Kerfoot I have to say that Seattle probably targets him regardless.
Dermott is not much better/different than a large group of defenders available. Kerfoot will be among the best forwards available, especially one capable of playing C. not to mention that Seattle has to fill a certain amount of cap up in the XD 3.5 for your 2nd line C isn’t awful.
my only hope is that Dubas is as smart as he appears and doesn’t try and get cute with our protection list. teams who made side deals with Vegas ate enormous amounts of shit giving away quality young players so they can protect guys like Marco scandella.
make your list, take your lumps and move on.

 

[LeafSteel]

Watching the past few games, it is becoming more and more apparent that Kerfoot will go in the Expansion Draft, and I'm pretty ok with it.

I'm not a Kerfoot hater or booster, but, depending on our UFA signings, he is expendable and $3.5m is a lot of cap-space to free up from our 3C.

Brooks has impressed on a quiet level, and I really am interested to see what Riley Nash is going to do when he plugs in. Enqvall is a guy who has underwhelmed me, but he's viable as a 4C if needed.

Would rather lose Kerfoot in the ED, and let's figure out what happens with Dermott later.

I am still of the belief that we missed a great opportunity by not trading Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar when we had the opportunity. While I always wanted to see Holl get a chance, I feel we would be better off with Weegar than Holl in our lineup.......

 

[Fogelhund]

Watching the past few games, it is becoming more and more apparent that Kerfoot will go in the Expansion Draft, and I'm pretty ok with it.

I'm not a Kerfoot hater or booster, but, depending on our UFA signings, he is expendable and $3.5m is a lot of cap-space to free up from our 3C.

Brooks has impressed on a quiet level, and I really am interested to see what Riley Nash is going to do when he plugs in. Enqvall is a guy who has underwhelmed me, but he's viable as a 4C if needed.

Would rather lose Kerfoot in the ED, and let's figure out what happens with Dermott later.

I am still of the belief that we missed a great opportunity by not trading Dermott and Johnsson for Weegar when we had the opportunity. While I always wanted to see Holl get a chance, I feel we would be better off with Weegar than Holl in our lineup.......

A number of posters have suggested that at equal stages of their careers, Dermott is ahead of where Weegar was. They believe that Dermott will be at least Weegars equal in a couple of years, with more current cost control. They are of similar size, actually Dermott is a bit bigger. There is a case to be made for certain, though I'm not sure to what degree Dermott will continue his progress.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

A number of posters have suggested that at equal stages of their careers, Dermott is ahead of where Weegar was. They believe that Dermott will be at least Weegars equal in a couple of years, with more current cost control. They are of similar size, actually Dermott is a bit bigger. There is a case to be made for certain, though I'm not sure to what degree Dermott will continue his progress.

I think Dermott has shown in the past couple of games, even with just a moderate increase to his responsibilities (Bogosian's PK time), that he has the potential to be a solid top 4 defenseman in the near future.

At this point, I am exposing Holl over Dermott. Holl has size, a bit of bite, is a RH shot, and is a solid defenseman but I think Liljegren can replace much of what he brings and actually be a better compliment for Muzzin (that pairing clearly lacks a guy who can handle the puck moving duties). I think if we have some patience with Dermott, he can replace much of what Holl does and be a better guy offensively and in transition. I've seen them both on the Marlies (even playing together) and Dermott was the better player even back in those days.

If Holl doesn't get taken, then we just have Liljegren replace Bogosian in the top 6, and then we just re-sign Bogosian (or sign a guy like Jordie Benn, Ian Cole, Brendan Smith, Jason Demers, Mark Pysyk, Jani Hakanpaa, Tucker Poolman, etc.) to fill that #7 hole. There is a ton of saturation in that 6/7 veteran market next year so we can find someone to fill that #7 hole and can play RD and another guy who can be additional RD on the Marlies (and can replace Liljegren in the top 4).

 

[Rielly4]

I think Dermott has shown in the past couple of games, even with just a moderate increase to his responsibilities (Bogosian's PK time), that he has the potential to be a solid top 4 defenseman in the near future.

At this point, I am exposing Holl over Dermott. Holl has size, a bit of bite, is a RH shot, and is a solid defenseman but I think Liljegren can replace much of what he brings and actually be a better compliment for Muzzin (that pairing clearly lacks a guy who can handle the puck moving duties). I think if we have some patience with Dermott, he can replace much of what Holl does and be a better guy offensively and in transition. I've seen them both on the Marlies (even playing together) and Dermott was the better player even back in those days.

If Holl doesn't get taken, then we just have Liljegren replace Bogosian in the top 6, and then we just re-sign Bogosian (or sign a guy like Jordie Benn, Ian Cole, Brendan Smith, Jason Demers, Mark Pysyk, Jani Hakanpaa, Tucker Poolman, etc.) to fill that #7 hole. There is a ton of saturation in that 6/7 veteran market next year so we can find someone to fill that #7 hole and can play RD and another guy who can be additional RD on the Marlies (and can replace Liljegren in the top 4).

Im a really big Dermott fan. I think hes a very skilled player whos become really solid defensively. That being said Holl is a very sturdy top 4 RHD with size, speed and puck moving ability. Does he make mistakes sometimes? Sure...That comes with a growing confidence level. But for what he brings in being a good all around RHD who can PK and play top 4 shutdown minutes all in your top 4 for a price of 2million dollars for 2 more seasons after this, we need to keep him. I think you negotiate with Seattle and potentially trade them not to take Dermott if they want him.

 

[Kiwi]

Im a really big Dermott fan. I think hes a very skilled player whos become really solid defensively. That being said Holl is a very sturdy top 4 RHD with size, speed and puck moving ability. Does he make mistakes sometimes? Sure...That comes with a growing confidence level. But for what he brings in being a good all around RHD who can PK and play top 4 shutdown minutes all in your top 4 for a price of 2million dollars for 2 more seasons after this, we need to keep him. I think you negotiate with Seattle and potentially trade them not to take Dermott if they want him.

Or you just let them take him, doing deals to protect players is more costly than just losing somebody usually

If Dermott is a must keep (I can't say I feel that way about him) you trade Rielly beforehand, protect 4 Defenseman and bring Sandin onto the 3rd pair next season

You better be bloody sure Dermott is worth it though

 

[SeenSchenn2]

I think Dermott has shown in the past couple of games, even with just a moderate increase to his responsibilities (Bogosian's PK time), that he has the potential to be a solid top 4 defenseman in the near future.

At this point, I am exposing Holl over Dermott. Holl has size, a bit of bite, is a RH shot, and is a solid defenseman but I think Liljegren can replace much of what he brings and actually be a better compliment for Muzzin (that pairing clearly lacks a guy who can handle the puck moving duties). I think if we have some patience with Dermott, he can replace much of what Holl does and be a better guy offensively and in transition. I've seen them both on the Marlies (even playing together) and Dermott was the better player even back in those days.

If Holl doesn't get taken, then we just have Liljegren replace Bogosian in the top 6, and then we just re-sign Bogosian (or sign a guy like Jordie Benn, Ian Cole, Brendan Smith, Jason Demers, Mark Pysyk, Jani Hakanpaa, Tucker Poolman, etc.) to fill that #7 hole. There is a ton of saturation in that 6/7 veteran market next year so we can find someone to fill that #7 hole and can play RD and another guy who can be additional RD on the Marlies (and can replace Liljegren in the top 4).

I'm in agreeance here; protect Dermott over Holl. Since Feb 1st his underlying numbers have been pretty poor (I know he's getting tougher matchups) and IMO the eye-test matches. I just feel like the 5-year difference in age is poor asset management.

 

[Menzinger]

Imo the team needs to protect Holl over Dermott - unless they feel 100% comfortable with him being in the top 4.

The team is looking to win now more than anything so losing a guy like Holl for a question mark seems less than ideal.

That said I also think there's a reasonable chance Seattle will be drawn to Kerfoot out of the need for centres

 

[Ziggdiezan]

Imo the team needs to protect Hold over Dermott - unless they feel 100% comfortable with him being in the top 4.

The team is looking to win now more than anything so losing a guy like Holl for a question mark seems less than ideal.

That said I also think there's a reasonable chance Seattle will be drawn to Kerfoot out of the need for centres

Ya Dermott has struggled when moved up while Holl has been really solid on the shutdown pairing.

Big risk to let Holl get taken and hope Dermott can elevate his play when he hasn't really shown that he can at all. Then there is the fact Holl is the only right shot defender signed next year.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Imo the team needs to protect Hold over Dermott - unless they feel 100% comfortable with him being in the top 4.

The team is looking to win now more than anything so losing a guy like Holl for a question mark seems less than ideal.

That said I also think there's a reasonable chance Seattle will be drawn to Kerfoot out of the need for centres

The thing that sucks is that the team needs at leat one of Dermott/Hutton/Bogosian signed to a contract to actually be able to protect Holl.

If none of them are extended before expansion you have to expose Holl.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Protecting Dermott after neglecting him for years would be quite the about-face. Can't see that happening.

 

[123offtheglass]

Some decent FA Toronto natives this upcoming offseason:

F:
- Barclay Goodrow (Toronto, ON)
- Casey Cizikas (Toronto, ON)
- Andrew Cogliano (Toronto, ON)
- Evan Rodrigues (Toronto, ON)
- Brock Mcginn (Fergus, ON)
- Mark Jankowski (Hamilton, ON)
- Brad Richardson (Belleville, ON)
- Devin Shore (Ajax, ON)

D:
- Dougie Hamilton (Toronto, ON)
- Jamie Oleksiak (Toronto, ON)
- Brandon Montour (Brantford, ON)
- Brendan Smith (Toronto, ON)

G:
- Brian Elliott (Newmarket, ON)

Goodrow & Cogliano could be pretty solid adds to the bottom 6, if they came cheap enough.

 

[nuck]

Some decent FA Toronto natives this upcoming offseason:

F:
- Barclay Goodrow (Toronto, ON)
- Casey Cizikas (Toronto, ON)
- Andrew Cogliano (Toronto, ON)
- Evan Rodrigues (Toronto, ON)
- Brock Mcginn (Fergus, ON)
- Mark Jankowski (Hamilton, ON)
- Brad Richardson (Belleville, ON)
- Devin Shore (Ajax, ON)

D:
- Dougie Hamilton (Toronto, ON)
- Jamie Oleksiak (Toronto, ON)
- Brandon Montour (Brantford, ON)

G:
- Brian Elliott (Newmarket, ON)

Goodrow & Cogliano could be pretty solid adds to the bottom 6, if they came cheap enough.

Czikas is interesting in that unlike Kerfoot he is actually a center, and he also does pk but hits a LOT more. Not an offensive upgrade although I think his numbers would improve playing with the same talent Kerf has. But at age 30 he would need to take a pay cut and even if they really liked his game today he seems like 2 years or 3 for less money. I hate to jump on the geriatric train but assuming Jumbo will be done I might try Getzlaf (from Regina, the Toronto of the plains) , if you assume his decline is exaggerated based on the Ducks overall lack of depth.

Oleksiak wouldn't play for 3rd pairing money and also while I am not yet on the Sandin bandwagon based on one big game, he is probably ready for a real shot at the #3 LD role so you don't throw him a roadblock until you have evidence he isn't. Ditto for Montour and Lily.

 

[hockeynorth]

I want Dougie Hamilton

 

[Antropovsky]

I want Dougie Hamilton

He's gonna be too expensive.

 

[Stephen]

If a team like Calgary decides to break up their core and rebuild, I wouldn't mind trading away Rielly to Seattle (or whomever) and replacing him with a year of Giordano with retention to create a buffer period for Sandin to develop. The assets arriving from Rielly should meet or exceed the assets departing for Giordano as well.

I would be moving Rielly if we can transition to a Hamilton.

 

[123offtheglass]

I would be moving Rielly if we can transition to a Hamilton.

I would too but it'd be hard to pull off effectively. Leafs would likely have to pull off something very close to what Vegas did to get Pietro while immediately flipping Schmidt for much below market value (Schmidt returned a 3rd round pick). Hamilton would be such a great add for the Leafs though, his biggest weapon is the Leafs' glaring weakness on the powerplay & at 5v5 (a muffin point shot).

If the the Leafs thought they could get somebody like Giordano next offseason as a stopgap for Sandin, I'd be okay with Rielly being an own-rental for the them.

 

[Knies iT]

I want Dougie Hamilton

Rumblings suggest he won't leave Carolina and they have shoddy RHD depth beyond him/Pesce. Only realistic way to make that work from a cap POV would be the following off-season:

Out:

• Rielly (-5m Trade)
• Andersen (-5m UFA)
  
• Kerfoot (-3.5m Expansion Draft)

In:

• Hamilton (+7-8m UFA)
• Driedger/Rittich/Ullmark/Grubauer/etc. (+3-4m UFA)
• [+ Raises to Dermott, Hyman]

It's something i'd consider depending on Rielly's post-season. If he plays like he has in the Boston series', re-sign him long-term. If he shows a continuation of his play this season, consider moving him for futures and adding a UFA piece to bide time for Sandin. He's a rich man's Torrey Krug with inflated point totals (secondary assists) but the Leafs have an aging D corps and need a similarly aged replacement if Mo's shipped out.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I would swap Rielly with Hamilton in a heartbeat.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I would be moving Rielly if we can transition to a Hamilton.

Not sure we could afford his ~8 million price tag, but we could definitely use a natural PPQB.

 

[The Podium]

The thing that sucks is that the team needs at leat one of Dermott/Hutton/Bogosian signed to a contract to actually be able to protect Holl.

If none of them are extended before expansion you have to expose Holl.

Dermott doesn’t have to be signed to be exposed since he is an RFA

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Dermott doesn’t have to be signed to be exposed since he is an RFA

He needs to be under contract for 21/22. The RFA thing only applies to goalies.

 

[Fogelhund]

I would swap Rielly with Hamilton in a heartbeat.

Hamilton would be tough to fit in. I''ve played with the numbers, and it's incredibly difficult. On the plus side, he is from Toronto, and we do have Museums, so there is that. How much of a "home town discount" he'd take, is arguable, if many mid-career players ever take such a discount. How we'd fit in a $7-8 million contract, without also moving on from Nylander is questionable, and would leave us incredibly tight.

Hyman at $3 mil, Spezza at min, Dermott below $1 mil. Galchenyuk at $900k, Simmonds at $1.5

Hamilton at $7 mil, Goalie at $3mil, Kerfoot Expansion claimed, Rielly traded... gives us $3 mil, needing a 3C, and another roster player at minimum.. possible yes, tough also yes.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to add Hamilton. Keep in mind though, he isn't some defensive stalwart either, and needs some degree of sheltering, like Rielly does. not as bad though. He plays with Slavin, an excellent Defensive player, that protects him.

But they've got a decent team there, and he's an important part of that. Maybe they don't have post season success though, and he wants to be a part of a Leafs success story????

But, if the Leafs are going to make sweeping changes, you'd also think that we didn't have success. Maybe we make the Semi-Finals, and Canes lose in first round??

No doubt though, if I can move Rielly, pick up those assets, and then sign Hamilton, I consider it. yes, this is young Dougie at Leafs game, with a Leafs jersey.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'd be weary of buying high on Hamilton and his offensive numbers personally, especially when defensively he's not much of an upgrade on Rielly.

He's the sexy name but I wouldn't bite on it.

If they're breaking Sandin and Liljegren into the league within the next couple of seasons, they'll need to ensure those two can be insulated with quality vets.