Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This draft is so all over the place that we could land some really good prospects. The UFA class is also very good. With that being said I'd look to move Nylander, Kerfoot, Holl for picks in this draft, and go hard after 1 of Forsberg, Nichuskin, Copp, Gaudreau, Burakovsky etc.

To
Toronto
2022 2nd Sens

To
Ottawa
Kerfoot

To
Toronto
13th overall
Raty
Mayfield

To
Islanders
Nylander
Holl

To
Toronto
Future considerations

To
Chicago
2024 2nd
2022 3rd
Mrazek

Leafs end up with 13th overall, 25th overall, and 39th overall and add Raty who projects as a strong 2 way number 2 C.

Ufa
Forsberg 9.5 x 7 or Nichushkin 5.5 x 7
Fleury 5 x 2
Comrie 1.2 x 2
Lazar 1.5 x 2
Zar 1.5 x 2


Bunting Matthews Marner
Forsberg Tavares Kase
Robertson Kampf Engvall
Zar Lazar Anderson

Reilly Brodie
Sandin Mayfield
Muzzin Liljegren
Gio

Gio and Muzzin Rotate to stay fresh and avoid injury.

Fleury
De Smith

I'm guessing you aren't actually a leaf fan because all of your trades make the Leafs worse, literally all of them.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Are there any NHL ready players in the draft this year? I don’t think New Jersey trades the second overall pick to Toronto for Nylander but if they did could they draft a player NHL ready and then use his money in free agency to bring in some depth to the line up?

I think for most of the players benefits, they shouldn't be rushed. I'm not a prospect guru but given the talk of this draft class, it feels like you'd be rushing them

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Why is that terrible. Nylander scored 34 goals in 81 games and was a -9 on the season. He is crap defensively and plays most of the time against the other teams lessser lines and 3/4 dmen. I would take his money and give it to forsberg in a heartbeat along with the other assets in the trade

Since willy got here most posters that try to build him up against marner lose that battle.

Compare to marner
35 goals in 72 games and a +23. Plays against other teams top lines and top dmen. Great defensively and one of if not the best penalty killers in the league.

You don't just delete 35 goals from the lineup that would be dumb

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Mayfield is a pending UFA
13th overall pick in a weak draft
Raty isn't a sure thing in the NHL

Basically unless NYI is offering Dobson or Sorokin in a trade for Nylander, there isn't a conversation to be had.

34 goals isn't nothing and +/- is hilarious. I am open to trading him, more open than most on here but some people are truly undervaluing the asset.

You have to look at what we bring in with the cap space too. No one is under valuing him. Just the straight facts that can’t be disputed. He disappears for way too many games during the season. He is terrible defensively and will never kill penalties or be on the ice for the la st few minutes of a game while protecting a lead. I’ve listened to so many posters talking about his elite shot my point was marner had more goals in 10 less games. And yes plus minus because nylander has much much easier assignments playing against other teams lesser forwards and dmen. His 5vs5 numbers are atrocious and him and Tavares don’t click. He didn’t click with Matthews either. As far as centering his own line he isn’t strong enough defensively to do that.

If dubas wasn’t an idiot nylander should be traded to balance out some of the other deficiencies on this team

 

[Bigmarycombo]

You don't just delete 35 goals from the lineup that would be dumb

It’s so more about distribution of the cap. As an example We can sign two players at 3.5 that may be good defensively and score 25 goals each and that is better than 34 and not knowing how to defend.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It’s so more about distribution of the cap. As an example We can sign two players at 3.5 that may be good defensively and score 25 goals each and that is better than 34 and not knowing how to defend.

You aren't getting a 25 goal scorer on the UFA market for 3.5 million unless you pull it out of your asd like a Michael Bunting situation

 

[SeaOfBlue]

You aren't getting a 25 goal scorer on the UFA market for 3.5 million unless you pull it out of your asd like a Michael Bunting situation

You won't even get Kerfoot for 3.5 mill on the UFA market. You are counting on bounceback or unproven.

 

[BertCorbeau]

More likely you’ll get a 15 goal, 30-40 point player at that price.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Wonder what Malkin gets in UFA if he goes elsewhere

 

[Zero1]

Tampa is looking to re-sign Palat & Paul but I think they have to dump some salary to do it.

If the Leafs strike out in free agency, I wouldn’t mind taking on 1-year of Killorn as a stop-gap for the top-6.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Tampa is looking to re-sign Palat & Paul but I think they have to dump some salary to do it.

If the Leafs strike out in free agency, I wouldn’t mind taking on 1-year of Killorn as a stop-gap for the top-6.

Not sure we need an expensive guy for that line.

We just need the right fit. Could be a rookie. Could be a bargain bin guy.

 

[Gallagbi]

I wonder if we'd have interest in Cogliano and vice versa.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Wonder what Malkin gets in UFA if he goes elsewhere

I wonder if he takes a bit less to fit into NYR, provided they can get rid of Nemeth?

Panarin and Shesterkin already there.

 

[SprDaVE]

I wonder if we'd have interest in Cogliano and vice versa.

Not really. I don't see the fit at all.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I tried to do one that didn't involve trading Nylander.

My self assessment is I am not 100% sure on the LD position but if Colorado can show confidence in a young Bowen Byram, we can show confidence in Sandin.

I did like the forward group.

Leafs might not have done very well in the OTT or VAN trade but I don't know how well I did in the Chicago deal...probably costs more to move Mrazek.

NYI LD is pretty bad and we need a goalie so that worked out, I could maybe go cheaper on back up goalie, instead of Georgiev, go for someone else, slightly cheaper.

Thoughts?

 

[Americanadian]

You don't just delete 35 goals from the lineup that would be dumb

This is flawed logic. If the Leafs traded Nylander for a defensively responsible 15 goal scorer you’d be subtracting 20 goals from the lineup. Then you consider who they sign with the leftover cap and you can make up an additional 15-20. The Leafs were 2nd in the NHL in goals this year. If you subtract Nylander’s 34 they would have finished 7th. If you subtract 20 goals they would have finished 5th.

 

[SprDaVE]

Wonder what Malkin gets in UFA if he goes elsewhere

A 35+ contract would make him risky. He's often injured. He's still very productive when healthy but his regression is due.

He might leave the Penguins because they lowballed him apparently. So I don't suspect he'll take a discount.

3 years and 7M per? I could see a team like the Ducks doing it.

 

[SprDaVE]

I tried to do one that didn't involve trading Nylander.

My self assessment is I am not 100% sure on the LD position but if Colorado can show confidence in a young Bowen Byram, we can show confidence in Sandin.

I did like the forward group.

Leafs might not have done very well in the OTT or VAN trade but I don't know how well I did in the Chicago deal...probably costs more to move Mrazek.

NYI LD is pretty bad and we need a goalie so that worked out, I could maybe go cheaper on back up goalie, instead of Georgiev, go for someone else, slightly cheaper.

Thoughts?

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I would love Connor Brown back. I would give up a lot. But not sure Ottawa cares for Kerfoot at all, even if he makes pennies in salary. He's a big part of their leadership group.

Chicago one is fine. I don't see the Leafs making the Muzzin or Holl/Engvall one.

I like the signings though.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I would love Connor Brown back. I would give up a lot. But not sure Ottawa cares for Kerfoot at all, even if he makes pennies in salary. He's a big part of their leadership group.

Chicago one is fine. I don't see the Leafs making the Muzzin or Holl/Engvall one.

I like the signings though.

Connor Brown indicated he wouldn't sign an extension there so I figured maybe they'd make the swap now, enjoy the $$ savings and maybe sell Kerfoot on staying.

I try to cap it at 3-4 trades too because I think that's about Dubas's average over the last few summers.

 

[SprDaVE]

Connor Brown indicated he wouldn't sign an extension there so I figured maybe they'd make the swap now, enjoy the $$ savings and maybe sell Kerfoot on staying.

I try to cap it at 3-4 trades too because I think that's about Dubas's average over the last few summers.

Did he say that? That's news to me, must have missed that. I'd be ecstatic with Brown back but just don't see it happening.

EDIT: I wonder if the Leafs and Sens could swap Mrazek and Colin White though. Leafs could buy out White for only 875k until 2028, but it's half of Mrazeks buyout money for more years.

Something like Brown, White, a 2nd and a 3rd for Mrazek, Kerfoot. Dunno if that makes sense, but could be a cheeky shrewd move.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

This is flawed logic. If the Leafs traded Nylander for a defensively responsible 15 goal scorer you’d be subtracting 20 goals from the lineup. Then you consider who they sign with the leftover cap and you can make up an additional 15-20. The Leafs were 2nd in the NHL in goals this year. If you subtract Nylander’s 34 they would have finished 7th. If you subtract 20 goals they would have finished 5th.

Who else is getting subtracted from the lineup?

 

[Americanadian]

Who else is getting subtracted from the lineup?

The original post said you can’t subtract Nylander’s 34 goals.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Did he say that? That's news to me, must have missed that. I'd be ecstatic with Brown back but just don't see it happening.

Might not be in the cards as I have it, I know he loves TO but one of the insiders put it out there on Brown which doesn't surprise me.

I tried one more (finished all my work like 2 hours early lol), 3 trades and Nylander staying...tried to keep the spirit of the previous one the same;

Schenn and Rielly together in the top 4...think we had just traded Schenn around the time of drafting Rielly.

Holl out, Schenn in

Both goalies changed

2 bigger forward additions which add size to the line up and I think our bottom 6 is pretty functional.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This is flawed logic. If the Leafs traded Nylander for a defensively responsible 15 goal scorer you’d be subtracting 20 goals from the lineup. Then you consider who they sign with the leftover cap and you can make up an additional 15-20. The Leafs were 2nd in the NHL in goals this year. If you subtract Nylander’s 34 they would have finished 7th. If you subtract 20 goals they would have finished 5th.

or you don't remove 35 goals an instead you go get a goaltender that can give you a save when you need it

You find somebody that isn't going to suck for 4 straight months and only get by because the offense carries him to wins nearly everynight.

you find somebody that can give you 2 good games in a row in the playoffs

you find somebosy that can win that 4th game.

because THAT is what is needed

it isn't defense

it's a top 6 LW and a goale, actually 2 goalies because Mrazek can't be back either.

 

[Americanadian]

or you don't remove 35 goals an instead you go get a goaltender that can give you a save when you need it

You find somebody that isn't going to suck for 4 straight months and only get by because the offense carries him to wins nearly everynight.

you find somebody that can give you 2 good games in a row in the playoffs

you find somebosy that can win that 4th game.

because THAT is what is needed

it isn't defense

it's a top 6 LW and a goale, actually 2 goalies because Mrazek can't be back either.

Correct. 2 things can be true. The Leafs CAN survive with losing Nylander’s goals. They also can get a better goalie. They could even reinvest Nylander’s cap hit into a goalie while trading him for player(s) on their ELC.