Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

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I think adding Nichuskin, Copp, Palat, etc to the second line is very important. 2LW as well as a goalie tandem should be the top priorities this off season. I don't want willy traded until we see a complete second line.
 
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Your guess would be wrong. If you are content to use guessing though as a frame work to navigate your life thats your choice, but I doubt its a successful one.

Then why does literally all of the trades you propose make the Leafs worse? Every. Single. One.
 
Trade kerfoot for a 2022 2nd
Trade Holl for a 2023 3rd + 2024 3rd
Trade mrazek + a 2024 2nd + 2023 3rd for future considerations.
That gives the leafs 15. 7 million.
Sign Sandin 1.2 x 2
Sign Engvall 1.5 x 1
Sign Nichuskin 5.5 x 7
Sign Desmith 2.8 x 3
Sign comrie 1.4 x 2
Total 12.4 million
Gives us 3.3 million without sending down Clifford or Simmomds. Robertson takes kerfoots spot.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Nichuskin Tavares Nylander
Robertson Kampf Engvall
Clifford Cousins Simmonds

Reilly brodie
Muzzin Liljegren
Sandin Gio

Desmith
Comrie

Then why does literally all of the trades you propose make the Leafs worse? Every. Single. One.
I dont see how adding picks while replacing Nylander with Forsberg is making the team worse.
 
Trade kerfoot for a 2022 2nd
Trade Holl for a 2023 3rd + 2024 3rd
Trade mrazek + a 2024 2nd + 2023 3rd for future considerations.
That gives the leafs 15. 7 million.
Sign Sandin 1.2 x 2
Sign Engvall 1.5 x 1
Sign Nichuskin 5.5 x 7
Sign Desmith 2.8 x 3
Sign comrie 1.4 x 2
Total 12.4 million
Gives us 3.3 million without sending down Clifford or Simmomds. Robertson takes kerfoots spot.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Nichuskin Tavares Nylander
Robertson Kampf Engvall
Clifford Cousins Simmonds

Reilly brodie
Muzzin Liljegren
Sandin Gio

Desmith
Comrie


I dont see how adding picks while replacing Nylander with Forsberg is making the team worse.

Dear god that goaltending tandem is even worse than what we currently have.

Also Forsberg isn't coming here
 
35 goals for $10.9mm attached to/poaching off: Confirmed with Link: - Auston Matthews Wins the Hart and Ted Lindsay Award! Makes 1st All-Star Team alongside Marner!
34 goals for $6.9mm attached to/poaching off: John Tavares Discussion

Trade the $10.9mm player for picks and use 10.9 to pick up a 1st. liner and 2nd. liner.

If you count number of goal marner reducing by playing a huge shutdown role against top opposite line and huge role on pk
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Nylander defensive effect

number of goal marner scored+ goal marner help to save should be closer of 50 and number of goal nylander scored - leafs allowed because he didnt had any kind of interest playing defenside side... should be close to 20

When you only taken one aspect of the game...

You're not just losing 34 goals with a Nylander trade, you're also losing 45 assists, 33 of them were primary



Whose also been among the top post season point producers for the team for the last three playoffs
Withdraw second assist he had on playoff where he did nothing and goal he scored trailing by 3 last 8 minutes or trailing by 4 in third period ( i dont care if a player scored when team already lost the game unstead a miracle)

You get 6 goal 2 pass in 19 game... not that far of what spezza bring playing 10 minutes/games
 
Can we swing a Kerfoot or Muzz for Demelo foundation? Guy has no offence but is an excellent defensive impact, only 28 so 5 yrs younger than Muzz, and right handed. Would love him to replace Muzz and allow for opening spot for Sandin on 2nd pair, with Gio and Lilly rounding it out.
 
I dont see how adding picks while replacing Nylander with Forsberg is making the team worse.

Forsberg is likely to make more than Nylander, and it will likely be with his current team, who can go 8 years.

Maybe Burakovsky but he's coming off a $4.9mm, so add at least 1 to that, so you're at $6mm.
Nichuskin off a career year at $5mm, you know what they say about a career year when you're going to free agency.

If you trade Nylander you want to get back a 1st. line talent, because Leafs only have about 4 top 6 players today.
 
Sometime I wonder do some here really know what's the Leafs need?
1. To me, they need a legitimate No.1 Goalie in net, as having someone like that masks a lot of the problems.
2. They need a huge mentality, culture and system change. It shows that whatever they have been doing, thinking....ain't working when it comes to playoffs. From Keefe and company, to our top guys not scoring when it matters the most, to depth guys just pretty much skating around without making impacts. It really comes down to the simple thing like do each of them(MGT, Coach, and players) know what they need to do and what it takes to win. Bc I have the impression that they all collectively think it was luck and an unlucky bounces, or refs. Over the past few seasons, they either blame it on opposing goalies, or injuries or being unlucky or refs. I don't think TB is thinking if only Point is playing they would have won the Cup or how Avs just dealt with injuries after injuries and still managed to win the Cup. Do the Leafs understand that as long as you win the Cup, nobody would care how many goals, assists or whatever you got in the playoffs.
3. The tops guys need to be better, like a lot better and Keefe better figure out a way to play the Big 4 on 3 different lines to spread the offence. If AM and MM needs to split up and their personal stats drop but the team wins, let that be. IF JT is better off cycling and play a slower game, get him players that can do that and let Willie be on another line.
Management needs to evaluate every player and ask themselves which players could have played in the final? Which players are willing to do what it takes to get there? Assuming management watched the playoffs….
 
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Forsberg is likely to make more than Nylander, and it will likely be with his current team, who can go 8 years.

Maybe Burakovsky but he's coming off a $4.9mm, so add at least 1 to that, so you're at $6mm.
Nichuskin off a career year at $5mm, you know what they say about a career year when you're going to free agency.

If you trade Nylander you want to get back a 1st. line talent, because Leafs only have about 4 top 6 players today.
Bunting prove last season he was...

And why leafs should absolutly need a 1st line player?

I give you an exemple of niederreitter who is a middle 6 foward but leafs upgrading goaltending who will be able to make job hes expecting

Exmple - 20 goal for for but - 34 goal allowed... still +14 ( GF-GAx) thats not making leafs a better team overall ?


The only option to upgrading team overall is not try to change pure offensive for offensive skill...
 
A Lightning reporter was on Leafs Lunch yesterday and said that Paul is looking for houses in Tampa and that he is almost positive he's staying there.

Wonder how they’ll afford him.

Move out Killorn? But that net savings is minimal.

They’re running out of moveable contracts to re-sign guys.
 
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Latest Leaf Report
-Mirtle says Muzzin isn't being traded.
-Holl will be traded
-Liljegren's AAV is the highest Leafs want to go for Sandin's contract
-Senses Leafs will spend up to 7 million on 2 goalies. One goalie at 4-5 million, and other at 2 million. The goalies Leafs will look at are Varlamov, Fleury, Husso or Campbell.
-reshape the bottom 6
 
If you count number of goal marner reducing by playing a huge shutdown role against top opposite line and huge role on pk
Vs
Nylander defensive effect

number of goal marner scored+ goal marner help to save should be closer of 50 and number of goal nylander scored - leafs allowed because he didnt had any kind of interest playing defenside side... should be close to 20

When you only taken one aspect of the game...


Withdraw second assist he had on playoff where he did nothing and goal he scored trailing by 3 last 8 minutes or trailing by 4 in third period ( i dont care if a player scored when team already lost the game unstead a miracle)

You get 6 goal 2 pass in 19 game... not that far of what spezza bring playing 10 minutes/games
Good lord this is such a poor way to construct your argument. Hey you know what would have been cool, if someone else scores a few goals in that third period so we could have tied it.

When the leafs were losing to cbj 4-1 in the third and William scored the first goal to make it 4-2 people like you would have been saying it was a useless goal. Guess what? It wasn't. Cherry picking stats is silly.


Or you know what, I'd love to see why a 7m player is held to the same standards in the playoffs as our 11m superstars.

You value gibson more than William based on your trade proposals and that's just a horrific take unfortunately. Like it doesn't make sense.
 
Latest Leaf Report
-Mirtle says Muzzin isn't being traded.
-Holl will be traded
-Liljegren's AAV is the highest Leafs want to go for Sandin's contract
-Senses Leafs will spend up to 7 million on 2 goalies. One goalie at 4-5 million, and other at 2 million. The goalies Leafs will look at are Varlamov, Fleury, Husso or Campbell.
-reshape the bottom 6

Interesting.

Wonder what reshaping the bottom 6 looks like.
 
Latest Leaf Report
-Mirtle says Muzzin isn't being traded.
-Holl will be traded
-Liljegren's AAV is the highest Leafs want to go for Sandin's contract
-Senses Leafs will spend up to 7 million on 2 goalies. One goalie at 4-5 million, and other at 2 million. The goalies Leafs will look at are Varlamov, Fleury, Husso or Campbell.
-reshape the bottom 6
He also mentioned they would play Sandin on the right side which would be a disastrous plan.
 
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Latest Leaf Report
-Mirtle says Muzzin isn't being traded.
-Holl will be traded
-Liljegren's AAV is the highest Leafs want to go for Sandin's contract
-Senses Leafs will spend up to 7 million on 2 goalies. One goalie at 4-5 million, and other at 2 million. The goalies Leafs will look at are Varlamov, Fleury, Husso or Campbell.
-reshape the bottom 6
Im happy to see they plan to bring in a proper starter rather than spending like 2 million on each. If the leafs bring back Campbell for 5 i will be pissed though... never proven he can be a number 1 guy yet and he is 30, is injury prone and just had a couple months of some of the worst goaltending I've seen in years.

I really hope someone else makes that mistake.

He also mentioned they would play Sandin on the right side which would be a disastrous plan.
Yup I saw that. Maybe that's what is keeping up Sandin's contract?
 
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Latest Leaf Report
-Mirtle says Muzzin isn't being traded.
-Holl will be traded
-Liljegren's AAV is the highest Leafs want to go for Sandin's contract
-Senses Leafs will spend up to 7 million on 2 goalies. One goalie at 4-5 million, and other at 2 million. The goalies Leafs will look at are Varlamov, Fleury, Husso or Campbell.
-reshape the bottom 6
If you move Mrazek, Kerfoot and Holl... before any Marlies or Abruzzese type moves up, taking Simmonds and Clifford out of the equation we actually would have pretty good flexiblity. I had Engvall at $1.5 mil. (we shall see)

Bunting Matthews Marner
xxx Tavares Nylander
xxx Kampf Engvall
xxx xxx xxx

Mo Brodie
Muzzin Sandin
Gio Liljegren

xxx
xxx

$16 mil in cap space.

$6 mil in goalies, gives us $10 mil to fill five spots on forward.. to have a minimum 20 man roster...

I added in Robertson, Abruzzese, and Niemala to the lineup, just for bodies, to get to a 16 man roster. (I know Niemala is unlikely, it's just a body for Capfriendly)

Puts us at $7.5 mil leftover, to sign three/(four if you want a 22 man roster) forwards... (If assume $6 mil on goalies)

League minimum contract is $750,000 this year.
 
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