Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[thusk]

You don't just delete 35 goals from the lineup that would be dumb

Get a player who is able to scored around 20 goal and just play defensive and avoid a 14 where nylander just stop playing... you get your 34 goal.. and that kind of player will not cost 7M

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The original post said you can’t subtract Nylander’s 34 goals.

Yeah I know, but if you are replacing him with two players, then someone else needs to come out of the lineup.

 

[Brobust]

This is flawed logic. If the Leafs traded Nylander for a defensively responsible 15 goal scorer you’d be subtracting 20 goals from the lineup. Then you consider who they sign with the leftover cap and you can make up an additional 15-20. The Leafs were 2nd in the NHL in goals this year. If you subtract Nylander’s 34 they would have finished 7th. If you subtract 20 goals they would have finished 5th.

Defence hasn't been an issue for 2 years.

 

[Americanadian]

or you don't remove 35 goals an instead you go get a goaltender that can give you a save when you need it

You find somebody that isn't going to suck for 4 straight months and only get by because the offense carries him to wins nearly everynight.

you find somebody that can give you 2 good games in a row in the playoffs

you find somebosy that can win that 4th game.

because THAT is what is needed

it isn't defense

it's a top 6 LW and a goale, actually 2 goalies because Mrazek can't be back either.

Correct. 2 things can be true. The Leafs CAN survive with losing Nylander’s goals. They also can get a better goalie. They could even reinvest Nylander’s cap hit into a goalie while trading him for player(s) on their ELC.

Yeah I know, but if you are replacing him with two players, then someone else needs to come out of the lineup.

Sure. Take out Spezza. Demote Kerfoot.

 

[Americanadian]

Defence hasn't been an issue for 2 years.

They were 3rd in xGA, 3rd in xGF. Maybe you reinvest in a goalie.

 

[aingefan]

I’d be happy to see offence spread through the lineup, and feel like there are a few Marlies who’re good to graduate.
Keeping the first line together is logical.
I liked Kampf-Nylander. NickRob-Tavares.
Steeves-Anderson can compete and beat out Clifford-Simmonds for the 4th line.
Maybe add a RW for JT, either Engvall or Holmberg on the Nylander line?
If Kerfoot is kept, he can centre the fourth line. If he’s dealt, there’s lotsa UFA C types in the <=1.5 mil range.
Stack up lines when needed, stack up the PP.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

If I’m reading right some posters on here think we couldn’t survive by trading a 34 goal scorer, who disappears for way too many games, is atrocious defensively, can’t play with Matthews, can’t play with Tavares,can’t drive his own line, can’t be trusted on the ice when leading late in a game.

 

[Antropovsky]

Connor Brown indicated he wouldn't sign an extension there so I figured maybe they'd make the swap now, enjoy the $$ savings and maybe sell Kerfoot on staying.

I try to cap it at 3-4 trades too because I think that's about Dubas's average over the last few summers.

I like Brown... but I'm not sure he is an upgrade over Kerfoot. Kerfoot plays center and wing and plays with an edge. Seems like a wash and an unnecessary move.

 

[ToneDog]

I like Brown... but I'm not sure he is an upgrade over Kerfoot. Kerfoot plays center and wing and plays with an edge. Seems like a wash and an unnecessary move.

Brown is more of what we need in our forwards. Brown over Kerfoot is a no brainer for me.

 

[ULF_55]

35 goals for $10.9mm attached to/poaching off: Confirmed with Link: - Auston Matthews Wins the Hart and Ted Lindsay Award! Makes 1st All-Star Team alongside Marner!
34 goals for $6.9mm attached to/poaching off: John Tavares Discussion

Trade the $10.9mm player for picks and use 10.9 to pick up a 1st. liner and 2nd. liner.

 

[Gallagbi]

Not really. I don't see the fit at all.

Fourth line hometown kid who just won a cup and is at the end of his career. Would seemingly step right into that Blackwell fourth line role

 

[Erndog]

35 goals for $10.9mm attached to: Confirmed with Link: - Auston Matthews Wins the Hart and Ted Lindsay Award! Makes 1st All-Star Team alongside Marner!
34 goals for $6.9mm attached to: John Tavares Discussion

Trade the $10.9mm player for picks and use 10.9 to pick up a 1st. liner and 2nd. liner.

I'd probably sooner trade the 0.98 PPG player than the 1.35 PPG one

 

[ULF_55]

I'd probably sooner trade the 0.98 PPG player than the 1.35 PPG one

You mean keep the one who poached off a 60 goal player rather than one who poached off a 27 goal player?
Keep the player that played with the league MVP and not the player most fans wants dumped for nothing?

 

[Menzinger]

You're not just losing 34 goals with a Nylander trade, you're also losing 45 assists, 33 of them were primary

If I’m reading right some posters on here think we couldn’t survive by trading a 34 goal scorer, who disappears for way too many games, is atrocious defensively, can’t play with Matthews, can’t play with Tavares,can’t drive his own line, can’t be trusted on the ice when leading late in a game.

Whose also been among the top post season point producers for the team for the last three playoffs

 

[Gabriel426]

Sometime I wonder do some here really know what's the Leafs need?
1. To me, they need a legitimate No.1 Goalie in net, as having someone like that masks a lot of the problems.
2. They need a huge mentality, culture and system change. It shows that whatever they have been doing, thinking....ain't working when it comes to playoffs. From Keefe and company, to our top guys not scoring when it matters the most, to depth guys just pretty much skating around without making impacts. It really comes down to the simple thing like do each of them(MGT, Coach, and players) know what they need to do and what it takes to win. Bc I have the impression that they all collectively think it was luck and an unlucky bounces, or refs. Over the past few seasons, they either blame it on opposing goalies, or injuries or being unlucky or refs. I don't think TB is thinking if only Point is playing they would have won the Cup or how Avs just dealt with injuries after injuries and still managed to win the Cup. Do the Leafs understand that as long as you win the Cup, nobody would care how many goals, assists or whatever you got in the playoffs.
3. The tops guys need to be better, like a lot better and Keefe better figure out a way to play the Big 4 on 3 different lines to spread the offence. If AM and MM needs to split up and their personal stats drop but the team wins, let that be. IF JT is better off cycling and play a slower game, get him players that can do that and let Willie be on another line.

 

[Erndog]

You mean keep the one who poached off a 60 goal player rather than one who poached off a 27 goal player?
Keep the player that played with the league MVP and not the player most fans wants dumped for nothing?

No, the one who made that same 27 goal player a 47 goal one when he played with him.

(OK this is getting confusing)

 

[ULF_55]

Sometime I wonder do some here really know what's the Leafs need?
1. To me, they need a legitimate No.1 Goalie in net, as having someone like that masks a lot of the problems.
2. They need a huge mentality, culture and system change. It shows that whatever they have been doing, thinking....ain't working when it comes to playoffs. From Keefe and company, to our top guys not scoring when it matters the most, to depth guys just pretty much skating around without making impacts. It really comes down to the simple thing like do each of them(MGT, Coach, and players) know what they need to do and what it takes to win. Bc I have the impression that they all collectively think it was luck and an unlucky bounces, or refs. Over the past few seasons, they either blame it on opposing goalies, or injuries or being unlucky or refs. I don't think TB is thinking if only Point is playing they would have won the Cup or how Avs just dealt with injuries after injuries and still managed to win the Cup. Do the Leafs understand that as long as you win the Cup, nobody would care how many goals, assists or whatever you got in the playoffs.
3. The tops guys need to be better, like a lot better and Keefe better figure out a way to play the Big 4 on 3 different lines to spread the offence. If AM and MM needs to split up and their personal stats drop but the team wins, let that be. IF JT is better off cycling and play a slower game, get him players that can do that and let Willie be on another line.

They don't lack talent.
They lack leadership, might be both on and off the ice.

 

[ER89]

Why is that terrible. Nylander scored 34 goals in 81 games and was a -9 on the season. He is crap defensively and plays most of the time against the other teams lessser lines and 3/4 dmen. I would take his money and give it to forsberg in a heartbeat along with the other assets in the trade

Since willy got here most posters that try to build him up against marner lose that battle.

Compare to marner
35 goals in 72 games and a +23. Plays against other teams top lines and top dmen. Great defensively and one of if not the best penalty killers in the league.

This is such a stupid argument. What weak line was he playing against in the playoffs the last two seasons when he went off as ppg. And who tf is comparing him to marner in my original premise. And you using plus minus to quantify defense means you don't really understand how to quantify defense.

 

[ULF_55]

No, the one who made that same 27 goal player a 47 goal one when he played with him.

(OK this is getting confusing)

So why doesn't he still play with Tavares?

Last 5 playoffs:
Goals:
Matthews 17
Nylander 13
Rielly 7
Tavares 7
marner 7

 

[Gabriel426]

They don't lack talent.
They lack leadership, might be both on and off the ice.

Which comes down to this question, Can the Leafs get it done? So far, not only did they showed they can't, they actually shown they would fall apart in the most important game. True that they didn't just lie down and played dead this past playoffs but they didn't really raise their game.

 

[ULF_55]

Which comes down to this question, Can the Leafs get it done? So far, not only did they showed they can't, they actually shown they would fall apart in the most important game. True that they didn't just lie down and played dead this past playoffs but they didn't really raise their game.

Evidence suggests they don't.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

They don't lack talent.
They lack leadership, might be both on and off the ice.

They’ve had one of the best leaders around in Spez, added Gio, and have had Muzzin… the problem isn’t having leaders on the exterior or the bit pieces, it’s the core. They’ll win nothing with their foundation, it’s built like a house of cards, ready and willing to fold at the slightest challenge. Rielly and the big 4 forwards have shown time and again they don’t have anywhere close to the maturity, hunger, mental strength/stamina, or hate for losing that is required of your team’s most talented players in order to win in the playoffs.

Swapping bottom line players and one average-subpar goalie tandem for another is futile and a waste of time as long as the core remains as is. They need to ship at least 1 of the 5 out and the only realistic option is Nylander; make an example out of his bullshit off-the-puck efforts to instil what cannot be tolerated any longer.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Evidence suggests they don't.

Same has been said about everyone until they win.

 

[ULF_55]

Same has been said about everyone until they win.

Yep, and until they win, even a single round, it is true.

 

[Knies iT]

Same has been said about everyone until they win.

Not everyone has an unprecedented cross-sport losing streak. You can’t define a line in the sand with this logic.