Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[danron1376]

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This would be a bad trade, even by HF standards.

DeBrincat, Dach, Murphy (Some salary withheld) for Muzzin, Mrazek and 1st.

I mean, ya, of course as Leafs fans we do it.

the writer got roasted (rightfully so) in the comments lol. then in the comments he asked if adding nick robertson would even out the deal lol

 

[thusk]

4/5 I mean at the end of the day, he's not a top pairing guy... and he isn't as physical as he once was either.

He still a pretty good 4th dman and its what he always be his entire carreer

 

[BertCorbeau]

Maple Leafs & Blackhawks Have Pieces to Produce Offseason Blockbuster - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

With the Maple Leafs and Blackhawks trending in different directions, they could be the perfect trade partners for an offseason blockbuster.

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This would be a bad trade, even by HF standards.

DeBrincat, Dach, Murphy (Some salary withheld) for Muzzin, Mrazek and 1st.

I mean, ya, of course as Leafs fans we do it.

I couldn’t even let Chicago accept that

That’s awful

 

[ULF_55]

Maybe the 2023/24 line... I don't think Douglas is NHL read yet, but he will be at some point.

I like the idea of a line like this though.

Douglas is one I'm hesitant about, but I believe McMann is also a center.

And really, I want to see the Leafs with some beef, and while McMann isn't a monster, he's over 200 lbs., and Douglas is. And I've read McMann is a leader.

Really, to me it's about skating and positioning for their 7-8 minutes.

Yes, I think 7-8 minutes a night, along with practicing with the NHL team is fine for 4th. line rookies.

You are likely correct, in that they might need more AHL time, but heck I think their top 6 will carry the offense, and the 3rd. line with Kampf will be the shutdown. The 4th. line is an investment.

 

[Rob Brown]

Maple Leafs & Blackhawks Have Pieces to Produce Offseason Blockbuster - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

With the Maple Leafs and Blackhawks trending in different directions, they could be the perfect trade partners for an offseason blockbuster.

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This would be a bad trade, even by HF standards.

DeBrincat, Dach, Murphy (Some salary withheld) for Muzzin, Mrazek and 1st.

I mean, ya, of course as Leafs fans we do it.

This is horrible lol.

 

[Leafed]

4/5 I mean at the end of the day, he's not a top pairing guy... and he isn't as physical as he once was either.

We wouldn't need him for more than that. Lybushkin often had the lowest ice-time in the playoffs while lining up with Rielly.

He was plenty physical in the playoffs this year and because of it was targetted by some dirty plays (Kucherov boarding, Maroon slash after goal game 6 etc)

Anyway, I agree that he's an unrealistic target due to our cap structure as he's most likely going to get upwards of 4.5m/4. Other teams always overrate cup winners due to last man standing bias. I think we should target someone else in the same mould. Someone greater than Bush who wouldn't be a liability. The Hague example is nice but he's also left-handed. Don't know if he's had experience playing RHD.

Wonder if something around Sandin + small add (Holl?) for Mayfield + Varlamov would work.

 

[TMLAM34]

I’m still hoping we can get Boris Katchouk from Chicago. Ice a fourth line of Katchouk - Kampf - Anderson.

 

[SprDaVE]

Douglas is one I'm hesitant about, but I believe McMann is also a center.

And really, I want to see the Leafs with some beef, and while McMann isn't a monster, he's over 200 lbs., and Douglas is. And I've read McMann is a leader.

Really, to me it's about skating and positioning for their 7-8 minutes.

Yes, I think 7-8 minutes a night, along with practicing with the NHL team is fine for 4th. line rookies.

You are likely correct, in that they might need more AHL time, but heck I think their top 6 will carry the offense, and the 3rd. line with Kampf will be the shutdown. The 4th. line is an investment.

Leafs will likely target a bottom line center for depth but I wouldn't be surprised if a prospect/young player looks good in the role.

McCann didn't play center for the Marlies, not sure he will moving forward.

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg and Douglas are the Marlies centers at this time. (not naming the AHL contracts)

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs will likely target a bottom line center for depth but I wouldn't be surprised if a prospect/young player looks good in the role.

McCann didn't play center for the Marlies, not sure he will moving forward.

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg and Douglas are the Marlies centers at this time. (not naming the AHL contracts)

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg are small, and while there is nothing wrong with small players, there is nothing wrong with 6'8" players either and both have to skate. And I've heard Douglas will not try and be a gentle giant, i.e. he isn't Gauthier.

 

[Fogelhund]

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg are small, and while there is nothing wrong with small players, there is nothing wrong with 6'8" players either and both have to skate. And I've heard Douglas will not try and be a gentle giant, i.e. he isn't Gauthier.

I watched quite a few Marlies games last year. Douglas most certainly isn't a gentle giant. He's a 6'8" man, with a Darcy Tucker streak.

 

[SprDaVE]

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg are small, and while there is nothing wrong with small players, there is nothing wrong with 6'8" players either and both have to skate. And I've heard Douglas will not try and be a gentle giant, i.e. he isn't Gauthier.

Abramov isn't small, he's pretty average in height/weight. He was used as the Kampf of the Marlies for awhile and did really well in his rookie season.

Douglas is a big mean player for sure. His skating is pretty weak though and his 2-way game needs work. We'll see.

 

[Legion34]

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg are small, and while there is nothing wrong with small players, there is nothing wrong with 6'8" players either and both have to skate. And I've heard Douglas will not try and be a gentle giant, i.e. he isn't Gauthier.

Douglas is a monster. He is a legit heavyweight at the AHL level. Let’s see if he can maintain the aggression in the show. But he absolutely is mean and a devastating fighter

 

[Rob Brown]

Douglas is a monster. He is a legit heavyweight at the AHL level. Let’s see if he can maintain the aggression in the show. But he absolutely is mean and a devastating fighter

Is he expected to make the team? Truthfully don't know much about him, but if he can skate then his size would be great on the 4th line.

 

[showtime8]

Leafs will likely target a bottom line center for depth but I wouldn't be surprised if a prospect/young player looks good in the role.

McCann didn't play center for the Marlies, not sure he will moving forward.

SDA, Abramov, Holmberg and Douglas are the Marlies centers at this time. (not naming the AHL contracts)

My guess is that there is only 1 full-time Marlie player from last year that makes the team and I think that's Alex Steeves.

There aren't a lot of great options for a 4th line centre in the UFA market, but based on where the Leafs are in terms of competing, I still think they bring in a vet UFA. My guess is it's going to be Jay Beagle on a 1 year deal at 900k or Sam Gagner at a similar contract.

Is he expected to make the team? Truthfully don't know much about him, but if he can skate then his size would be great on the 4th line.

I think they'll give him every opportunity to compete in the pre-season for a spot somewhere in the line-up. I don't think he makes it for opening day, but I think he could be a Christmas time call-up for a stretch and give him some experience.

 

[Fogelhund]

Is he expected to make the team? Truthfully don't know much about him, but if he can skate then his size would be great on the 4th line.

I'm as much of a fan of him as anyone... No, he isn't expected to make the Leafs out of the gate. He may get a few games in, but he still has to work on his game some. His skating is pretty decent for a guy of his size, but he still has some work to do, mostly the first few steps acceleration. The most optimistic view, would be him playing most of the season on the Marlies, and somehow stealing a spot later in the year.

 

[Menzinger]

Having a hard time understanding how a 22 year old defenseman with 88 career games and 28 points could have any form of leverage in negotiations that a 23 year old defenseman with 74 career games and 24 points wouldn't. Give him the exact same contract as Liljegren, come to camp and earn a spot. Simple.

He ultimately has next to no leverage other than refusing to sign a deal and playing in Europe. Which is why I expect this to not be too much of an issue

The only real risk is destroying relationship between player and team - which could be an issue if the team sees the guy as a longer term piece.

He'll sign a 1-2 year deal by the draft

 

[Avilaj07]

To Toronto-
2nd Overall Pick (Logan Cooley)
Mackenzie Blackwood
Miles Wood

To New Jersey
William Nylander
Rasmus Sandin
Petr Mrazek

 

[Havoc]

I feel like there might actually be a market for Mrazek. Counting the teams that need a goalie and the goalies available, it seems like there's going to be a shortage

All these ex-Leafs winning made Mrazek the hottest trade chip in the league

 

[Magic Man]

My guess is that there is only 1 full-time Marlie player from last year that makes the team and I think that's Alex Steeves.

There aren't a lot of great options for a 4th line centre in the UFA market, but based on where the Leafs are in terms of competing, I still think they bring in a vet UFA. My guess is it's going to be Jay Beagle on a 1 year deal at 900k or Sam Gagner at a similar contract.



I think they'll give him every opportunity to compete in the pre-season for a spot somewhere in the line-up. I don't think he makes it for opening day, but I think he could be a Christmas time call-up for a stretch and give him some experience.

But, we had Jason Spezza in that role and he was a few points away from 1000, while being a 55%+ guy on the draw and they decided he is no longer good enough for this team. Beagle isn't an NHL player anymore, he should retire. Gagner is a fairly decent Spezza comparable, but even in that one vs one comparable you lose size, leadership and faceoff ability and you don't really gain anything. It's a downgrade. Spezza is the bar, if they're not better than him, then no thanks.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

But, we had Jason Spezza in that role and he was a few points away from 1000, while being a 55%+ guy on the draw and they decided he is no longer good enough for this team. Beagle isn't an NHL player anymore, he should retire. Gagner is a fairly decent Spezza comparable, but even in that one vs one comparable you lose size, leadership and faceoff ability and you don't really gain anything. It's a downgrade. Spezza is the bar, if they're not better than him, then no thanks.

The only guy out there that really meets the standard is Stastny. He said he wants to go somewhere to win, and is willing to take less to do it.

He is not exactly a full time center anymore, but he can still play.

 

[TMLAM34]

The only guy out there that really meets the standard is Stastny. He said he wants to go somewhere to win, and is willing to take less to do it.

He is not exactly a full time center anymore, but he can still play.

If Stastny was willing on signing here on the cheap, I’d be all over that. He’s still a very capable third line second PP unit player.

 

[ToneDog]

Stastny, Gagner and Cogliano on your 3rd line.

 

[Magic Man]

The only guy out there that really meets the standard is Stastny. He said he wants to go somewhere to win, and is willing to take less to do it.

He is not exactly a full time center anymore, but he can still play.

I think they are likely to bring in a different type of player to play 4C, someone a little harder to play against. If not, why not just bring Spezza back? The names on the free agent board I think that are most likely in the 750K to 1.75M range are Acciari, ZAR, Larsson, Lazar, Cousins, Namestnikov, Motte and Blackwell are the names I'd gun for.

I'd welcome Stastny if he was willing to take a significant financial hit to come play here. If not he wouldn't be a major target of mine.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yep, ducks was already a trash team, just imagine when you lost 2 of your 3 NHL level dman who missed half of ducks game last 3 season

But nah Gibson sucks he unable to carry an AHL caliber D in NHL. Kind of things, a goalie like Price was unable to do when they lost weber for an injury 4 years ago and played in front of the same caliber of team... but sure its not the same thing, Price is an elite G and Gibson just sucks



Did you watch stats when Manson and lindholm was healthy and game they was out?

Finally, you’re starting to figure it out

 

[ULF_55]

If Stastny was willing on signing here on the cheap, I’d be all over that. He’s still a very capable third line second PP unit player.

He'll probably sign where he expects to get ice time and has best opportunity for playing.

So he'll be favorite hunting.