Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

[SeaOfBlue]

One player I think we should target who I believe would make a great partner for Rielly is Dylan Demelo. He's locked in for another 2 years at 3 million.

To Toronto-
Dylan Demelo

To Winnipeg-
Justin Holl
3rd Round Pick

Demelo is not worth more than Holl in a trade, and I would rather just use Liljegren in whatever role you are putting Demelo in anyways. Liljegren plays a very similar game, except Liljegren has a lot more to offer offensively.

If we move Holl and we can just find a cheaper (but obviously lesser, or at least less proven) version of what he brings, I think our defense is set. That opens up room for Sandin to take a full time job, but we still have good enough depth to rest guys and be set for injuries. We could use some solid RD depth on the Marlies as well.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

To you or everybody whonstill think gibson sucks...

3 years of andersen in anaheim(2013-2016)

Anaheim was
GAx 15th (640)
SCA 13 th (6334) 25.7/game
SCGA 15th 517 2.1/game
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %
HDCA 17 th (2581) 10.5/game
HDGA 5th 357 1.46/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.8%
Goal for 5th 706 2.87/game

First 3 season of Gibson with at least 40 games (2015-2018)
77 wins
GAx 21 th 679.92
SCA 25th 6818 27.7/game
SCGA 4 th 488 1.98/ game
SCGA/SCA 7.2%
HDCA 25 th 2829 11.5/game
HDGA 19th 332 1.34/game
HDGA/HDCA 11.7%
GF 20th 666 2.7/game

Next 3 2018-2021
(209 game)
55 wins
GAx 29th 637.81
SCA 29th 6238 29.9/game
SCGA 26th 548 2.6/game
SCGA/SCA 8.8%
HDCA30 th 2644 12.7/ game
HDGA 26 th 357 1.7/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.5%
Goal for 30th 502 2.40/ game


HDGA/HDCA and SCGA/SCA

This season
HDGA/HDCA 13.2%
SCGA/SCA 8.4%

A season everyone consider as a disaster

Just to give you a comparaison with toronto last year
HDGA/HDCA 15.6 %
SCGA/SCA 9.5%

Last 3 season of andersen in Toronto
HDGA/HDCA 14.%
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %


So please dont tell me Gibson suck or whatever... in fact the only reason why gibson didnt had better stats than campbell last season by exemple is numbers of scoring and high danger chance allowed by anaheim much higher

I don’t think most people think that he sucks, but most feel he isn’t the answer. Those are two different things

 

[ER89]

I think Makar is in the conversation as being the top 3 players in the league and due to being a Dman, it can be argue he is the best player in the league since it is hard to compare a Dman to a forward.
Put it this way, I can see a trade between AM plus a little bit for McD but I cannot see a AM for Makar trade unless Leafs go way over the top.

I tend to agree.

We've seen makar and mcd take over a series. Matty just hasn't been able to. He's going to just dominate and will the team to win at some point.

 

[Nylanderthal]

To you or everybody whonstill think gibson sucks...

3 years of andersen in anaheim(2013-2016)

Anaheim was
GAx 15th (640)
SCA 13 th (6334) 25.7/game
SCGA 15th 517 2.1/game
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %
HDCA 17 th (2581) 10.5/game
HDGA 5th 357 1.46/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.8%
Goal for 5th 706 2.87/game

First 3 season of Gibson with at least 40 games (2015-2018)
77 wins
GAx 21 th 679.92
SCA 25th 6818 27.7/game
SCGA 4 th 488 1.98/ game
SCGA/SCA 7.2%
HDCA 25 th 2829 11.5/game
HDGA 19th 332 1.34/game
HDGA/HDCA 11.7%
GF 20th 666 2.7/game

Next 3 2018-2021
(209 game)
55 wins
GAx 29th 637.81
SCA 29th 6238 29.9/game
SCGA 26th 548 2.6/game
SCGA/SCA 8.8%
HDCA30 th 2644 12.7/ game
HDGA 26 th 357 1.7/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.5%
Goal for 30th 502 2.40/ game


HDGA/HDCA and SCGA/SCA

This season
HDGA/HDCA 13.2%
SCGA/SCA 8.4%

A season everyone consider as a disaster

Just to give you a comparaison with toronto last year
HDGA/HDCA 15.6 %
SCGA/SCA 9.5%

Last 3 season of andersen in Toronto
HDGA/HDCA 14.%
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %


So please dont tell me Gibson suck or whatever... in fact the only reason why gibson didnt had better stats than campbell last season by exemple is numbers of scoring and high danger chance allowed by anaheim much higher

Gibson sucks

 

[Nylanderthal]

I don’t think most people think that he sucks, but most feel he isn’t the answer. Those are two different things

He’s not the answer because he sucks now

 

[Americanadian]

To you or everybody whonstill think gibson sucks...

3 years of andersen in anaheim(2013-2016)

Anaheim was
GAx 15th (640)
SCA 13 th (6334) 25.7/game
SCGA 15th 517 2.1/game
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %
HDCA 17 th (2581) 10.5/game
HDGA 5th 357 1.46/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.8%
Goal for 5th 706 2.87/game

First 3 season of Gibson with at least 40 games (2015-2018)
77 wins
GAx 21 th 679.92
SCA 25th 6818 27.7/game
SCGA 4 th 488 1.98/ game
SCGA/SCA 7.2%
HDCA 25 th 2829 11.5/game
HDGA 19th 332 1.34/game
HDGA/HDCA 11.7%
GF 20th 666 2.7/game

Next 3 2018-2021
(209 game)
55 wins
GAx 29th 637.81
SCA 29th 6238 29.9/game
SCGA 26th 548 2.6/game
SCGA/SCA 8.8%
HDCA30 th 2644 12.7/ game
HDGA 26 th 357 1.7/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.5%
Goal for 30th 502 2.40/ game


HDGA/HDCA and SCGA/SCA

This season
HDGA/HDCA 13.2%
SCGA/SCA 8.4%

A season everyone consider as a disaster

Just to give you a comparaison with toronto last year
HDGA/HDCA 15.6 %
SCGA/SCA 9.5%

Last 3 season of andersen in Toronto
HDGA/HDCA 14.%
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %


So please dont tell me Gibson suck or whatever... in fact the only reason why gibson didnt had better stats than campbell last season by exemple is numbers of scoring and high danger chance allowed by anaheim much higher

I made this nice chart here to show that Gibson has seen a mean shift in his GSAx/60. He looks to actually be a different player over the last 3 years. Stolarz has outplayed him more than Andersen outplayed him in his first 2 years. He's about to be 29 and he's ranked 45th in the league in GSAx/60 over the last 3 years. Funny enough Campbell is 46th over the same stretch. The point I'm trying to make is he's not the answer. He will struggle to live up to his cap hit over the next 5 years.

 

[hamzarocks]

If Ondrej Palat is somehow sitting there July 1st, that is a guy I want on my team.

No real reason for him to want to come to Toronto

We can't offer as much as other teams, tough to see us giving him 5-6M on a 5 year deal

Added pressure of trying to win in Toronto and next year

Weather might be an adjustment for him after playing with Tampa his whole career

Well need to aim lower unless we trade a guy like kerfoot, keep a cheap tandem and then get Palat with the savings

 

[Americanadian]

No real reason for him to want to come to Toronto

5M in Toronto is ~3.8M in Tampa. I can't see him coming here.

 

[Nylanderthal]

5M in Toronto is ~3.8M in Tampa. I can't see him coming here.

Depends on how the contract is structured, guys like Matthews and Tavares who have permanent residences in the United States and receive a large signing bonus have a lower tax rate than Guys who get paid strictly in salary. I believe Matthews pays 15% on his SB annually and then whatever the rate is for his league minimum salary.

 

[fahad203]

Really not sure what the love affair is with Gibson. He's average at best
Average is not what we need and he's going to cost us. Anaheim will be looking to hit a home run here

If you are going to use that kind of assets, try a younger goalie

 

[hamzarocks]

But he got kicked and severely hurt his teams cup chances 3 times. That happened.

Thars like cheating on your last 3 wives then when you finally stop.


“To those who thought I would never be faithful you can kiss my ass”.

Naw cheating would be more like what Barrie did I game 5 vs the Jackets

Faking an injury, quitting on the team and hiding from adversity

Kadri f***ed up for sure plenty of times in the playoffs. But he never was willing to settle and not believe he could help his team win.

Leafs didn't believe in the end and moved on. The Avs decided to ride with him and go all in. He produced great, battled through an injury and came back to play earlier than expected and basically proved he cared about winning

Both his suspensions in Toronto were trying to stand up for his teammates (marner and Marleau) he meant to punish Wagner/debrusk for their questionable plays.

I do fault him for 2019 as he was playing great hockey and could ha e helped us close it in 6. In the end he cost us there. We could have kept him as he made 4.5M and had 3 years still left. We gave up early on him unfortunately despite him not giving up on us

 

[Americanadian]

Depends on how the contract is structured, guys like Matthews in Tavares who have permanent residents in the United States and a large signing bonus have a lower tax rate than Guys who get paid strictly in salary

Fair point. He'd probably stay a Tampa resident.

 

[thusk]

I made this nice chart here to show that Gibson has seen a mean shift in his GSAx/60. He looks to actually be a different player over the last 3 years. Stolarz has outplayed him more than Andersen outplayed him in his first 2 years. He's about to be 29 and he's ranked 45th in the league in GSAx/60 over the last 3 years. Funny enough Campbell is 46th over the same stretch. The point I'm trying to make is he's not the answer. He will struggle to live up to his cap hit over the next 5 years.

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Did you watch against who stolarz was playing? 12 of his 23 start against arizona, mtl, buffalo, seattle, NJ, PHI, SJ...

 

[Americanadian]

Did you watch against who stolarz was playing? 12 of his 23 start against arizona, mtl, buffalo, seattle, NJ, PHI, SJ...

I didn’t watch. I appreciate the insight. Doesn’t change the fact that Gibson has been declining and has 5 years left.

 

[LaPlante94]

To you or everybody whonstill think gibson sucks...

3 years of andersen in anaheim(2013-2016)

Anaheim was
GAx 15th (640)
SCA 13 th (6334) 25.7/game
SCGA 15th 517 2.1/game
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %
HDCA 17 th (2581) 10.5/game
HDGA 5th 357 1.46/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.8%
Goal for 5th 706 2.87/game

First 3 season of Gibson with at least 40 games (2015-2018)
77 wins
GAx 21 th 679.92
SCA 25th 6818 27.7/game
SCGA 4 th 488 1.98/ game
SCGA/SCA 7.2%
HDCA 25 th 2829 11.5/game
HDGA 19th 332 1.34/game
HDGA/HDCA 11.7%
GF 20th 666 2.7/game

Next 3 2018-2021
(209 game)
55 wins
GAx 29th 637.81
SCA 29th 6238 29.9/game
SCGA 26th 548 2.6/game
SCGA/SCA 8.8%
HDCA30 th 2644 12.7/ game
HDGA 26 th 357 1.7/game
HDGA/HDCA 13.5%
Goal for 30th 502 2.40/ game


HDGA/HDCA and SCGA/SCA

This season
HDGA/HDCA 13.2%
SCGA/SCA 8.4%

A season everyone consider as a disaster

Just to give you a comparaison with toronto last year
HDGA/HDCA 15.6 %
SCGA/SCA 9.5%

Last 3 season of andersen in Toronto
HDGA/HDCA 14.%
SCGA/SCA 8.2 %


So please dont tell me Gibson suck or whatever... in fact the only reason why gibson didnt had better stats than campbell last season by exemple is numbers of scoring and high danger chance allowed by anaheim much higher

From what I remember Gibson always has very good first half of the seasons. I think he just gets worn out playing behind that Anaheim team and his numbers just fall off a cliff.

 

[Havoc]

wake me up when eklund drops some e5s

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He’s not the answer because he sucks now

The team in front of him as him is shit

 

[Nylanderthal]

The team in front of him as him is shit

Then why does every other goalie perform better than him? Literally every partner he’s had going back to Freddie five hole has outperformed him.
He had a good couple season peak, got paid and now is booty cheeks

 

[Torontonian]

Wouldn't mind seeing a tandem of Blackwood and Georgiev next year if the Leafs are going to go to the cheap route, two younger goalies, (25 and 26 years old) pushing themselves with the potential to be a starter. Also kind of risky for a team that has Stanley Cup asperations to go into a season with two unknowns.

Don't see a very exciting off season for Toronto other then the goaltending department, my prediction is they:

1) Trade Holl for a draft pick
2) Trade Mrazek for nothing
3) Let mickey walk
4) Let campbell walk.
5) Resign Engvall
6) Don't qualify Kase and let him go to UFA and potently circle back to him after seeing the other players not qualified.

They will need to fill the entire 4th line, and 2nd line winger spot (in need of a real top 6 forward in my opinion), and two goalies with 12,244,384m in cap before resigning Engvall.

58-34-16
xxx - 91 - 88
47 - 64 - 15
xxx - xxx - xxx

xxx
xxx

 

[hockeywiz542]

Leafs check Timothy Liljegren contract extension off to-do list

The 23-year-old defenceman stays for $2.8 million (U.S.) over two seasons, likely setting the bar for teammate Rasmus Sandin.

www.thestar.com

The average annual value of Liljegren’s contract is $1.4 million, a substantial raise from a base salary of $863,333. But his average value last year was closer to $1.2 million with bonuses accounted for.

The contract probably sets the bar for fellow defenceman Rasmus Sandin, a 22-year-old due to be a restricted free agent on July 13. He earned $894,167 last year.

“We’re trying to be supportive of each other,” said Liljegren. “We’re close, but we haven’t talked too much about contracts and stuff like that.”

General manager Kyle Dubas still has more housecleaning to do with about $6.5 million in remaining cap space.

• The buyout period begins July 1 and ends July 12. Buying out goalie Petr Mrázek would save them $2.76 million, according to capfriendly.com.

• Forwards Pierre Engvall and Ondrej Kaše are heading for restricted free agency and arbitration eligible. The deadline to elect salary arbitration is July 2. The Leafs have until July 11 to make qualifying offers or risk losing them as unrestricted free agents.

• Then there are the unrestricted free agents, notably goalie Jack Campbell and winger Ilya Mikheyev. The sides have been talking, but no progress has been made. Campbell, an all-star goalie, will be highly sought in a goaltender-starved league. Mikheyev could command at least $4 million a year, Campbell probably $5 million.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Then why does every other goalie perform better than him? Literally every partner he’s had going back to Freddie five hole has outperformed him.
He had a good couple season peak, got paid and now is booty cheeks

it's not uncommon for backups to have better numbers than the starter, they tend to play less games and easier competition

 

[Nylanderthal]

it's not uncommon for backups to have better numbers than the starter, they tend to play less games and easier competition

Every single time?

 

[ULF_55]

Wouldn't mind seeing a tandem of Blackwood and Georgiev next year if the Leafs are going to go to the cheap route, two younger goalies, (25 and 26 years old) pushing themselves with the potential to be a starter. Also kind of risky for a team that has Stanley Cup asperations to go into a season with two unknowns.

Don't see a very exciting off season for Toronto other then the goaltending department, my prediction is they:

1) Trade Holl for a draft pick
2) Trade Mrazek for nothing
3) Let mickey walk
4) Let campbell walk.
5) Resign Engvall
6) Don't qualify Kase and let him go to UFA and potently circle back to him after seeing the other players not qualified.

They will need to fill the entire 4th line, and 2nd line winger spot (in need of a real top 6 forward in my opinion), and two goalies with 12,244,384m in cap before resigning Engvall.

58-34-16
xxx - 91 - 88
47 - 64 - 15
xxx - xxx - xxx

xxx
xxx

The 2022-2023 Kid Line
McMann-Douglas-Anderson

1. A big-bodied all-around forward that has good offensive instincts and excellent positional awareness during unfolding plays. Plays a power game and drives the net hard. Fluid skater that has room to improve near the top of his acceleration to become more explosive. His maturity, character, and willingness to do what it takes to win is embodied by his humility in taking the time to improve upon and learn all aspects of multiple roles. Explosive shot release and proficient puckhandling ability. Huge potential as an effective two-way forward with skill. [EP]

2. Big, intimidating center who uses his size as an asset. An agile skater for his size who is often the hardest worker on the ice. Has potential to fill a fourth line role in the NHL.

3. The energetic forward can win his share of puck battles. Has a good shot and can do some of the grunt work on a line with more talented players. At 5’11”, he is not the biggest forward and will have to get stronger to earn a regular role in the NHL.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The 2022-2023 Kid Line
McMann-Douglas-Anderson

1. A big-bodied all-around forward that has good offensive instincts and excellent positional awareness during unfolding plays. Plays a power game and drives the net hard. Fluid skater that has room to improve near the top of his acceleration to become more explosive. His maturity, character, and willingness to do what it takes to win is embodied by his humility in taking the time to improve upon and learn all aspects of multiple roles. Explosive shot release and proficient puckhandling ability. Huge potential as an effective two-way forward with skill. [EP]

2. Big, intimidating center who uses his size as an asset. An agile skater for his size who is often the hardest worker on the ice. Has potential to fill a fourth line role in the NHL.

3. The energetic forward can win his share of puck battles. Has a good shot and can do some of the grunt work on a line with more talented players. At 5’11”, he is not the biggest forward and will have to get stronger to earn a regular role in the NHL.

McMann is a darkhorse, but that is not going to be a good enough line for the NHL at this juncture. Anderson is the best guy on that line, Douglas still needs another year or two in the AHL, and McMann has had a good year but it was only one good year; the year before, he wasn't even AHL caliber. We will need to see what he can bring in training camp before committing to him in any real way.

 

[Torontonian]

The 2022-2023 Kid Line
McMann-Douglas-Anderson

1. A big-bodied all-around forward that has good offensive instincts and excellent positional awareness during unfolding plays. Plays a power game and drives the net hard. Fluid skater that has room to improve near the top of his acceleration to become more explosive. His maturity, character, and willingness to do what it takes to win is embodied by his humility in taking the time to improve upon and learn all aspects of multiple roles. Explosive shot release and proficient puckhandling ability. Huge potential as an effective two-way forward with skill. [EP]

2. Big, intimidating center who uses his size as an asset. An agile skater for his size who is often the hardest worker on the ice. Has potential to fill a fourth line role in the NHL.

3. The energetic forward can win his share of puck battles. Has a good shot and can do some of the grunt work on a line with more talented players. At 5’11”, he is not the biggest forward and will have to get stronger to earn a regular role in the NHL.

Not going to lie, I don't know much about our prospects/young ahlers, beside Robertson, Steeves, Niemela and Knies, but from the sounds of it, Dubas is looking to make our 4th line/ depth out of younger, cheaper, forwards from the AHL and have competiton for it,

I think Spezza retiring instead of gifting him a 4th line role was a indicator of that. We shouldn't be dipping into free agency every year trying to plug every single hole in the lineup, at some point you need to be able to have a standout player that can make the team and provide something for your depth lines.

Tampa has done it with Ross Colton and Colorado has done it with Logan O'connor, these are the types of players Toronto has yet to develop.