Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2022 - Off-season

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Well 6 million for another goalie, and a whole 4th line. I don't know how you manage to do that. That doesn't even factor in the Engvall and Sandin raises.
Alone, this trade is a fireable offense and makes it look like Dubas wants to be fired, but I guess we'll see how the team is in September
I’m more worried how it looks in may.
My guess is that Murray will be on his third IR stint by then.
 
I have a double tomorrow and need to wake up at 430 and I’m having such a hard time going to sleep because I’m so pissed.

I have no idea how anyone could still be drinking the kool aid, just say you’re in a cult at this point.
 
I don’t get Leaf fans. We have had Campbell in net the past two seasons and it got us where exactly? Let me remind you, first round exits both times. You need a goalie in the playoffs to steal you a game in a 7 game series. Campbell didn’t. Price and Vaseleyski did against us. That’s why we lost. But yet Campbell wants 5 million plus per season. And you are all crying that he should get it instead of Murray under 5 million.

He’s 28 years old, a proven winner in the playoffs with 2 Stanley Cups. And because he’s been awful with an awful team in Ottawa and been injured to boot. He is an awful goaltender.

I promise you all that every single one of you will be saying how great of a trade this was that Dubas made.

Murray will turn it around on a winner and playing at home.
 
I don’t get Leaf fans. We have had Campbell in net the past two seasons and it got us where exactly? Let me remind you, first round exits both times. You need a goalie in the playoffs to steal you a game in a 7 game series. Campbell didn’t. Price and Vaseleyski did against us. That’s why we lost. But yet Campbell wants 5 million plus per season. And you are all crying that he should get it instead of Murray under 5 million.

He’s 28 years old, a proven winner in the playoffs with 2 Stanley Cups. And because he’s been awful with an awful team in Ottawa and been injured to boot. He is an awful goaltender.

I promise you all that every single one of you will be saying how great of a trade this was that Dubas made.

Murray will turn it around on a winner and playing at home.

Murray is currently the age Campbell was when we acquired him. Campbell was a backup who played a starters role here for the first time ever, not very well either.

That is the bar Murray has to beat, it’s not set very high. In fact, there’s a good chance we upgraded in goal.

Again, with the disclaimer that the risk is not worth the deal or cap that came with acquiring him.
 
I don’t get Leaf fans. We have had Campbell in net the past two seasons and it got us where exactly? Let me remind you, first round exits both times. You need a goalie in the playoffs to steal you a game in a 7 game series. Campbell didn’t. Price and Vaseleyski did against us. That’s why we lost. But yet Campbell wants 5 million plus per season. And you are all crying that he should get it instead of Murray under 5 million.

He’s 28 years old, a proven winner in the playoffs with 2 Stanley Cups. And because he’s been awful with an awful team in Ottawa and been injured to boot. He is an awful goaltender.

I promise you all that every single one of you will be saying how great of a trade this was that Dubas made.

Murray will turn it around on a winner and playing at home.
The reason why we hate this move is after his two cup winning seasons, the team that won 2 cups with him traded him and the team that acquired him put him on waivers.

Hes not a good goalie and 32 out of 32 teams agreed when he went unclaimed. We took his deal for 2 very Longshot draft picks because the team was desperate to get a goalie, despite management saying we aren't desperate.
 
I don’t get Leaf fans. We have had Campbell in net the past two seasons and it got us where exactly? Let me remind you, first round exits both times. You need a goalie in the playoffs to steal you a game in a 7 game series. Campbell didn’t. Price and Vaseleyski did against us. That’s why we lost. But yet Campbell wants 5 million plus per season. And you are all crying that he should get it instead of Murray under 5 million.

He’s 28 years old, a proven winner in the playoffs with 2 Stanley Cups. And because he’s been awful with an awful team in Ottawa and been injured to boot. He is an awful goaltender.

I promise you all that every single one of you will be saying how great of a trade this was that Dubas made.

Murray will turn it around on a winner and playing at home.

Nobody is picking on Murray. Everyone picking on how the trade went down
You could have waited until he got bought off. Everyone in Somalia knew he was going to get bought off
Then sign him to a cheaper deal

Look what Buffalo was being offered. We got hosed
 
I don’t get Leaf fans. We have had Campbell in net the past two seasons and it got us where exactly? Let me remind you, first round exits both times. You need a goalie in the playoffs to steal you a game in a 7 game series. Campbell didn’t. Price and Vaseleyski did against us. That’s why we lost. But yet Campbell wants 5 million plus per season. And you are all crying that he should get it instead of Murray under 5 million.

He’s 28 years old, a proven winner in the playoffs with 2 Stanley Cups. And because he’s been awful with an awful team in Ottawa and been injured to boot. He is an awful goaltender.

I promise you all that every single one of you will be saying how great of a trade this was that Dubas made.

Murray will turn it around on a winner and playing at home.
He’s been on IR 7 times as a Senator and the last Stanley cup was like 5 years ago, that’s an eternity in sports, goaltenders turn to crap, that’s how it goes.
 
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were the signing bonuses paid out on July 1st or is it July 13th as that’s officially the start of the next season and free agent day.

I ask because I’m crossing my fingers that the Murray trade is a 2 part trade kind of like the Polak/Reiner to SJS 2 parter and the future considerations is a Kerfoot for stuff deal after his bonus is paid. Ottawa wanting to do the Murray part now while the buyout window is still open so they had a backup plan in case it fell apart

Effectively what I said about it being like Andersen and Bernier.

Part one of the deal which netted us Andersen happened before the draft because we needed to include #30 in that draft... Bernier had a signing bonus in July, so he couldn't be traded yet, but he was part 2 of that deal.

In this case, part one (this part) needed to happen before the buyout window, which I think is tomorrow. Kerfoot and Holl do not have their bonuses paid until July 13th. Part 2 happens after that. That is the only way it makes sense.
 
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Look at it this way, the buyout of Murray saves 2.5 mill per year.

If you could have bought 2ish mill of cap space for a 3rd and 7th, would you do it? I would. So basically thats what the sens saved themselves. Its a great deal from their perspective, not sure why we are holding the bag on the other end.
 
Effectively what I said about it being like Andersen and Bernier.

Part one of the deal which netted us Andersen happened before the draft because we needed to include #30 in that draft... Bernier had a signing bonus in July, so he couldn't be traded yet, but he was part 2 of that deal.

In this case, part one (this part) needed to happen before the buyout window, which I think is tomorrow. Kerfoot and Holl do not have their bonuses paid until July 13th. Part 2 happens after that. That is the only way it makes sense.
The bonuses were paid july 1
 
Other intriguing wingers who were not qualified:

- Rem Pitlick
- Danton Heinen
- Ryan Donato
- Nicholas Aube-Kubel

They could be nice fliers who could either step up, or provide Robertson and Knies opportunities to beat in the season.
Don’t you know we’re just going to sign Sam Gagner and that’s that?

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-JT-88
Engvall-Kampf-X
Robertson-Gagner-Anderson

Maybe a new 3rd line winger 🙃
 
I just looked at the list of soo greyhounds alumni, we signed 9 of the 24 most recent playing soo greyhounds alumni.

We are batting over .333 on these alums

He has acquired 10 to date;
-Murray
-Thornton
-Muzzin
-Simmonds
-McCann
-Lehner
-Campbell
-Ritchie
-Bunting
-Sandin

Add Keefe there too. Also signed Ray Emery to the Marlies when he was the Marlies GM.
 
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Other intriguing wingers who were not qualified:

- Rem Pitlick
- Danton Heinen
- Ryan Donato
- Nicholas Aube-Kubel

They could be nice fliers who could either step up, or provide Robertson and Knies opportunities to beat in the season.

Luff and Aston-Reese would be alright too. Definitely quite a few options to go with. Last season Dubas signed curveballs with Kampf and Kase, could see a could surprises there too.
 
Nobody is picking on Murray. Everyone picking on how the trade went down
You could have waited until he got bought off. Everyone in Somalia knew he was going to get bought off
Then sign him to a cheaper deal

Look what Buffalo was being offered. We got hosed
Ottawa didn't have medical clearance to buyout him out

And what was Buffalo being offered???
 
Nobody is picking on Murray. Everyone picking on how the trade went down
You could have waited until he got bought off. Everyone in Somalia knew he was going to get bought off
Then sign him to a cheaper deal

Look what Buffalo was being offered. We got hosed

Murray could have signed with anyone after buy-out, if he could have been bought out.
 
We have to get another goalie that can give us .900+ save%. Murray and his health is way to sxary to give the reigns to Kallgren and Woll for 60 games.
but but but but goalies are voodoo kallgren could be vasi and vasi could be kallgren next year
 
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