Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Dreakmur]

Agreed.

Sandin + 1st + whatever else it takes for Chychrun.

Probably takes Nylander and Sandin for Chychrun and probably Crouse… plus they take Mrazek.

 

[Leafs1991]

I’m not looking to give him away, but I’d trade him before Liljegren.

Same, I really like him but given he's a lefty, I'd be okay with dealing him.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Kuzmenko is too old for an ELC. He's signing an SPC and there will be a bidding war. Could always find the next Russian that has yet to breakout though.

Ah right. I thought he was 24 for some reason. Hopefully the price is reasonable. I can't see many teams out there being willing to pay a lot for a guy who hasn't proven anything in the NHL yet. Shipachyov was a better KHL player and was an unmitigated disaster here.

 

[Apex Predator]

Agreed.

Sandin + 1st + whatever else it takes for Chychrun.

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun ?
Muzzin Liljegren

 

[TMLAM34]

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun ?
Muzzin Liljegren

If you’re acquiring Chychrun, yes Sandin would need to be included in the trade but I feel like you’d also need to trade Muzzin in a separate trade to clear up some cap space.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Probably takes Nylander and Sandin for Chychrun and probably Crouse… plus they take Mrazek.

That would be a fleecing but I don't think Arizona would want any part of that.

 

[Apex Predator]

How much do you think Crouse gets resigned for?

 

[Maplebeasts]

That would be a fleecing but I don't think Arizona would want any part of that.

That's not a fleecing at all; In fact I wouldn't do it. Chychrun was really, really bad defensively this season.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

How much do you think Crouse gets resigned for?

Mainboards people are saying 5x5, seems steep to me. He's an annoying contract, though, due to what he brings. If Josh Anderson is getting 5 during his abysmal contract year, hard to say Crouse is getting less even with RFA years.

 

[Dreakmur]

That would be a fleecing but I don't think Arizona would want any part of that.

Arizona might want more picks and prospects rather than Nylander.

 

[Warden of the North]

When is Matthews actually able to re-sign? I keep hearing "next summer". But he signed his last deal in February. Is that because it was an RFA deal?

 

[ToneDog]

When is Matthews actually able to re-sign? I keep hearing "next summer". But he signed his last deal in February. Is that because it was an RFA deal?

I believe he can sign a new deal after July 1st 2023. If you can't get him signed in July, move him.

 

[Duke16]

The Leafs are probably left asking themselves why tf they traded Sandin with a hefty plus attached for Chychrun as soon as next season honestly.

If Sandin is involved in a deal like that, it'd because he's holding comparable value to Brannstrom in the Stone trade. Sandin, 1st+ would age horribly.

I could maybe get behind this, but you move Muzzin and try to get Giordano cheap in this scenario.

Left side of
Rielly, Chychrun, Giordano

Rosters that have Muzzin slotted third pair at his cap hit or Sandin on the outside seem off. I wouldn't want to be in either.of those scenarios honestly and definitely not both.

 

[BertCorbeau]

That's not a fleecing at all; In fact I wouldn't do it. Chychrun was really, really bad defensively this season.

I’m not against Chychrun but I am concerned he’s trending towards being the next Ristolainen … big, physical d-man that can put up some points but is a liability in his own end

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I put Florida because we have seen player's like Barkov take less that what he should be paid. All their team is mostly signed and they draft really good

Since when?

Barkov and Ekblad were #2 and #1 picks respectively.
Crouse is an NHLer, but hardly one worthy of an 11th overall pick in a stacked draft and they ultimately traded him to dump a contract.
Borgstrom is still hanging on to an NHL career, but he is a reclamation project for Chicago at this point.
Tippett is also effectively one for Philly now too, and he was a top 10 pick.
Denisenko is really struggling for a mid-1st round pick.
Knight and Lundell are doing fine I guess, but once again, they should be as top 15 picks.
Samoskevich is doing fine at this point, but there were guys drafted after him who are doing better (including Knies).

And then looking at the non-first round picks, the last prospect they have drafted who has turned out to be more than a fringe AAAA player was Weegar and Trocheck, and that was almost a decade ago. Going a decade without effectively developing anything more than a guy you can find for cheap in UFA is terrible drafting.

Florida has been bailed out by some really saavy reclamation project additions. Duclair, Verhaeghe, Marchment, Forsling, Bennett, Luostarinen, Lomberg, etc. Guys they did not draft, and were not going anywhere in their previous organizations, but have found a home when given a chance with Florida. However the only reason they needed to do that in the first place is because they didn't have their own drafted prospects who were anywhere close to good enough to challenge/take those spots themselves.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Chychrun probably not the correct target.

Matt Roy and Nick Jensen would be high on my list of potential targets. Doubt either is available.

Sucks to see Braden Schnieder as among the top 20 D in GA/60 of dmen with over 600 minutes. He felt like the obvious pick at the time. Looks like the kind of guy we could really use right now.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

When is Matthews actually able to re-sign? I keep hearing "next summer". But he signed his last deal in February. Is that because it was an RFA deal?

July 1, 2023 is the earliest he can sign. It is always once the last year of one's deal kicks in.

 

[I am Canadian]

Curious if the Leafs will be in on Husso/Binnington

If St.Louis goes on another run with Binnington you have to imagine that Husso would be available.

 

[Kurtz]

I’m not against Chychrun but I am concerned he’s trending towards being the next Ristolainen … big, physical d-man that can put up some points but is a liability in his own end

Well, the fact that Chychrun is not very physical might reassure you a bit on that. Although he's also more injury-prone than Ristolainen.

 

[I am Canadian]

Chychrun probably not the correct target.

Matt Roy and Nick Jensen would be high on my list of potential targets. Doubt either is available.

Sucks to see Braden Schnieder as among the top 20 D in GA/60 of dmen with over 600 minutes. He felt like the obvious pick at the time. Looks like the kind of guy we could really use right now.

Leafs couldn't even get Liljegren minutes. They are fine.

Schneider has inflated numbers due to Shesterkin

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Chychrun probably not the correct target.

Matt Roy and Nick Jensen would be high on my list of potential targets. Doubt either is available.

Sucks to see Braden Schnieder as among the top 20 D in GA/60 of dmen with over 600 minutes. He felt like the obvious pick at the time. Looks like the kind of guy we could really use right now.

A lot of that is Shestyerkin.

He'd have more HDCA/60 than everyone on the Leafs except Muzzin and Rielly. He'd have a worse xGA/60 than everyone except Rielly. Pretty much any metric except for GA is worse than most, if not all, defensemen on our team and Schneider was on a sheltered 3rd pairing.

It is unlikely he would have even been given a chance here. He was doing fine in the AHL, but hardly good enough to force a call-up. The Rangers were just desperate for defense, especially on their bottom pairing. Nemeth and Hajek were brutal. Lundkvist was struggling. Schneider was pretty much just the least crap out of the bunch, and even he didn't look like an NHL-caliber defenseman... So he almost certainly would have been sent back to the Marlies.

Leafs couldn't even get Liljegren minutes. They are fine.

Schneider has inflated numbers due to Shesterkin

Exactly.

I mean we are talking about moving Justin Holl... If we had a problem with RD depth, that wouldn't be a conversation we are having right now. And if it was for "cap reasons", then adding a pair of guys with higher cap hits is counter productive.

 

[Dreakmur]

Leafs couldn't even get Liljegren minutes. They are fine.

Schneider has inflated numbers due to Shesterkin

They could have given Liljegren minutes, but they chose to play two inferior players instead.

 

[Kurtz]

Coyotes apparently wanted a 1st+roster player for Crouse last season. He'd kinda be the perfect get for us - can slot in on JT's left or on the 3rd line. He's a RFA - I'm guessing he gets around $2.5 per.

Super physical, good defensively, can get you 20 and is young with upside. I'd have no issues parting with out first + for him.

Dubas has an established trading relationship with the Coyotes GM as well.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

A lot of that is Shestyerkin.

He'd have more HDCA/60 than everyone on the Leafs except Muzzin and Rielly. He'd have a worse xGA/60 than everyone except Rielly. Pretty much any metric except for GA is worse than most, if not all, defensemen on our team and Schneider was on a sheltered 3rd pairing.

It is unlikely he would have even been given a chance here. He was doing fine in the AHL, but hardly good enough to force a call-up. The Rangers were just desperate for defense, especially on their bottom pairing. Nemeth and Hajek were brutal. Lundkvist was struggling. Schneider was pretty much just the least crap out of the bunch, and even he didn't look like an NHL-caliber defenseman... So he almost certainly would have been sent back to the Marlies.



Exactly.

I mean we are talking about moving Justin Holl... If we had a problem with RD depth, that wouldn't be a conversation we are having right now. And if it was for "cap reasons", then adding a pair of guys with higher cap hits is counter productive.

I both agree, and disagree with you.

I agree that the GA/60 is buffeted by Shesterkin.

I disagree with the premise that his xGA/60 is a sign he was worse than all but 1 Leaf. I only watched a handful of Rangers games, but he was getting some tough matchups and zone starts. xGA is a tough stat because all but the best players (ie McAvoy) are impacted by the circumstances they are played in.

Someone mentioned Muzz was bad for us in the POs because of xGA, but I remember him facing Kucherov or Cirelli lines every shift, and starting mostly in our zone.

Anyways, not saying Schneider would have made a difference this year, but rather what he could potentially be would fit like a glove in our org right now.

As for Liljegren - well, he should have played. No answer for that. Strongly disagree with Keefe's decision. Holl or Boosh should have come out.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I both agree, and disagree with you.

I agree that the GA/60 is buffeted by Shesterkin.

I disagree with the premise that his xGA/60 is a sign he was worse than all but 1 Leaf. I only watched a handful of Rangers games, but he was getting some tough matchups and zone starts. xGA is a tough stat because all but the best players (ie McAvoy) are impacted by the circumstances they are played in.

Someone mentioned Muzz was bad for us in the POs because of xGA, but I remember him facing Kucherov or Cirelli lines every shift, and starting mostly in our zone.

Anyways, not saying Schneider would have made a difference this year, but rather what he could potentially be would fit like a glove in our org right now.

As for Liljegren - well, he should have played. No answer for that. Strongly disagree with Keefe's decision. Holl or Boosh should have come out.

The Rangers' top 4 were getting the tough matchups. Of course, that doesn't mean he never goes up against tough competition (no matter how hard you try, he is going to have to face those guys occasionally), but Trouba and Fox are taking the tough minutes on the Rangers' RD right now.