Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[A1LeafNation]

Bunting Matthews Marner
E.Kane JT.Miller Nylander
Mikheyev Kerfoot Kase
Engvall Kampf Blackwell

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Giordano Liljegren
Sandin

Campbell
Holtby

 

[stickty111]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

As long as they bring in a smarter group. If they don't they will get shit on...

 

[keonsbitterness]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

Was he yelling when he said it?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

I'd keep Dubas, get a more experienced coach perhaps instead.a

 

[Stephen]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

I think I'm apathetic to a Dubas firing.

On one hand, I think I would appreciate a new fresh management team taking the ax to the group and just cashing in valuable assets in pursuit of a brand new vision and fresh start.

On the other hand, I think we would be firing him today for errors he committed learning on the job, specifically the brutal 2019-20 Leafs. He's done pretty well building a strong regular season team, but it feels like because of the cap he's been spending the past 2.5 years making bets and churning roster year to year than building a great top to bottom program. Like if you need your $1.6 million Money Ball goalie to out duel a $9.5 million best goalie of his generation, your odds of winning are just very long.

 

[jaric1862]

The ony Kawhi trade equivalent is definitely something like Nylander+ for JT Miller. Super short sighted move as Miller is a UFA next season and the leafs will almost certainly not be able to re-sign him. It would make the team better though as an all-in move.

 

[Superstar]

The ony Kawhi trade equivalent is definitely something like Nylander+ for JT Miller. Super short sighted move as Miller is a UFA next season, but certainly makes the team better for next year. It would be an all in move.

Leafs would only make the trade if there's an extension in the works.

 

[GQS]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

I hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think that he's losing his job because Kerfoot missed a breakaway chance to win game 6 in OT or Marner pass to Matthews for the tip missed in the same OT before Tampa scored the GWG that's the difference between him being safe for at least another year vs possibly getting fired. Many people these days seem too reactionary rather than looking at the whole body of work.

The Leafs were right there this year and to me firing Dubas just because some of Leafs nation want him gone doesn't make sense. I get that results matter, but if we're looking at the job Dubas has done in building this team and improving it since he took over, he's done a very good job in my opinion. Prospect pool has been vastly improved compared to all the crap prospects we use to draft that showed little promise of becoming NHL players. Largely good trades that made sense and usually didn't overpay and helped the team. Mostly decent signings from free agency and elsewhere.

He hasn't been perfect and no one is, but I'll take Dubas over many if not most GMs in the league right now.

 

[jaric1862]

Leafs would only make the trade if there's an extension in the works.

And there's certainly no way they'd be able to.

I think beyond that you're maybe looking at a Wilson for Nylander swap, but I'm not sure if that makes you a lot better.

 

[Superstar]

And there's certainly no way they'd be able to.

I think beyond that you're maybe looking at a Wilson for Nylander swap, but I'm not sure if that makes you a lot better.

I'd love to have a Wilson on the Leafs, but Parros is going to have a field day with the Leaf suspensions.

 

[SprDaVE]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

When and where did he say that? Johnston is going to be on the podcast tomorrow, so we'll see what he has to say about that.

 

[Stephen]

When and where did he say that? Johnston is going to be on the podcast tomorrow, so we'll see what he has to say about that.

Most of the reporting seems to indicate Dubas and Keefe will be back - even though there hasn't been any organizational statement. But would be interested to see the primary source.

 

[SprDaVE]

Most of the reporting seems to indicate Dubas and Keefe will be back - even though there hasn't been any organizational statement. But would be interested to see the primary source.

They pushed back their end of year pressers and interviews from today to tomorrow. A lot of I'm sure is to give the players/management one more day to recoup their emotions, but at the same time, maybe something is happening in the background there. I doubt it, but who knows.

 

[Kiwi]

After watching them this series, I don't think "grit" or "toughness" really encapsulates what they need.

What they need is actually quite simple. They need guys who will forecheck hard, lay big hits on the opposing defenders and battle in tight spaces (around the net). But they also need to be good enough to play regular shifts against top 9 lines.

That is "functional toughness"

 

[Kiwi]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

I hope not but what do I know?

 

[Americanadian]

After watching them this series, I don't think "grit" or "toughness" really encapsulates what they need.

What they need is actually quite simple. They need guys who will forecheck hard, lay big hits on the opposing defenders and battle in tight spaces (around the net). But they also need to be good enough to play regular shifts against top 9 lines.

I think you just described grit and toughness.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think you just described grit and toughness.

So then we have a lot of guys with grit and toughness in our system, and a few who could be good enough to play on the Leafs next year (Steeves and Anderson).

 

[Americanadian]

So then we have a lot of guys with grit and toughness in our system, and a few who could be good enough to play on the Leafs next year (Steeves and Anderson).

They should absolutely be on the team next year. The Leafs have had a hard time giving Marlies a spot on the team since Dubas came on. The only Marlie graduates under Dubas to play in game 7 were Engvall and Holl. Players like Moore and Marchment thrived elsewhere because they weren’t given a shot here.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

They should absolutely be on the team next year. The Leafs have had a hard time giving Marlies a spot on the team since Dubas came on. The only Marlie graduates under Dubas to play in game 7 were Engvall and Holl. Players like Moore and Marchment thrived elsewhere because they weren’t given a shot here.

Forgot Nylander and Moore was on the Leafs full time when he was traded. He was in the full time lineup, but he was only a 4th liner and was fairly replaceable.

Marchment didn't earn a shot here. He came out of nowhere and had a great year. Good for him. He wasn't good enough for a spot on the Leafs, and for the longest time, he wouldn't have had a shot on the Panthers either. They were desperate for pretty much anyone with a pulse and found a lot of hidden gems who hit (Verhaeghe, Lomberg, Marchment, Forsling, etc.).

We have had various Marlies graduates play for the Leafs over the years. Gauthier, Dermott, Kapanen, Johnsson, etc. Part of the problem of why there were not a few more was our 2015-2017 drafts were so brutally awful.

 

[Amadeus]

I know it's Dangle but he has some connections and his source says Leafs are comsidering removing Dubas. I think thats the dumbest thing they can do, but could happen. If thats true, Keefe is right there too and Shanny is probably next to be gone. The way this could go and lot of people are going to miss this management group.

I can't think of anyone out there available who can lead this team better than Dubas. I don't want a dinosaur.

 

[stickty111]

When and where did he say that? Johnston is going to be on the podcast tomorrow, so we'll see what he has to say about that.

On his pod cast

I hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think that he's losing his job because Kerfoot missed a breakaway chance to win game 6 in OT or Marner pass to Matthews for the tip missed in the same OT before Tampa scored the GWG that's the difference between him being safe for at least another year vs possibly getting fired. Many people these days seem too reactionary rather than looking at the whole body of work.

The Leafs were right there this year and to me firing Dubas just because some of Leafs nation want him gone doesn't make sense. I get that results matter, but if we're looking at the job Dubas has done in building this team and improving it since he took over, he's done a very good job in my opinion. Prospect pool has been vastly improved compared to all the crap prospects we use to draft that showed little promise of becoming NHL players. Largely good trades that made sense and usually didn't overpay and helped the team. Mostly decent signings from free agency and elsewhere.

He hasn't been perfect and no one is, but I'll take Dubas over many if not most GMs in the league right now.

Yup. I don't see another free agent GM out there who would be an upgrade. Keefe I get but firing Dubas makes no sense.

 

[Americanadian]

Forgot Nylander and Moore was on the Leafs full time when he was traded. He was in the full time lineup, but he was only a 4th liner and was fairly replaceable.

Marchment didn't earn a shot here. He came out of nowhere and had a great year. Good for him. He wasn't good enough for a spot on the Leafs, and for the longest time, he wouldn't have had a shot on the Panthers either. They were desperate for pretty much anyone with a pulse and found a lot of hidden gems who hit (Verhaeghe, Lomberg, Marchment, Forsling, etc.).

We have had various Marlies graduates play for the Leafs over the years. Gauthier, Dermott, Kapanen, Johnsson, etc. Part of the problem of why there were not a few more was our 2015-2017 drafts were so brutally awful.

I give Dubas credit for graduating Gauthier but Johnsson/Dermott/Kapanen were part of the playoff roster in 17/18. Nylander I’m not giving Dubas credit for. I understand if you do. Personally I liked Moore and he was on a sweetheart contract which would have been perfect for this team. Marchment was just a miss by this management team and he only received 4 games.

 

[TheRumble]

The ony Kawhi trade equivalent is definitely something like Nylander+ for JT Miller. Super short sighted move as Miller is a UFA next season and the leafs will almost certainly not be able to re-sign him. It would make the team better though as an all-in move.

Man you guys are either severely overrating JT or severely underrating Kawhi.

A healthy Kawhi is a top 5 NBA player. A healthy JT Miller is a top 15ish NHL forward.

A Kawhi trade for the Leafs would be like Nylander for Cale Makar or Morgan Rielly for Igor Shesterkin.

 

[Enniskillen]

I hope this isn't true. I'd hate to think that he's losing his job because Kerfoot missed a breakaway chance to win game 6 in OT or Marner pass to Matthews for the tip missed in the same OT before Tampa scored the GWG that's the difference between him being safe for at least another year vs possibly getting fired. Many people these days seem too reactionary rather than looking at the whole body of work.

The Leafs were right there this year and to me firing Dubas just because some of Leafs nation want him gone doesn't make sense. I get that results matter, but if we're looking at the job Dubas has done in building this team and improving it since he took over, he's done a very good job in my opinion. Prospect pool has been vastly improved compared to all the crap prospects we use to draft that showed little promise of becoming NHL players. Largely good trades that made sense and usually didn't overpay and helped the team. Mostly decent signings from free agency and elsewhere.

He hasn't been perfect and no one is, but I'll take Dubas over many if not most GMs in the league right now.

Dubas needs to go cause he keeps his buddy Keefe in business.