Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[WTFMAN99]

If Keefe won't play Sandin, Kakko provides a bottom 6 player with some size.

If they're trading Sandin, you can do significantly better.

 

[LeafChief]

That's a bit misleading. 4 point in 20 games. No, not great, but he's still 22. He also had a good year in the KHL and the Rangers just signed him and are "pleased with his progress". You have to make some predictions on players based on how they're progressing, their style of play, etc. I think he bounces back. I could be wrong.

Vitali Kravtsov won’t join Rangers for playoff run as future plans are made

Vitali Kravtsov will not be joining the Blueshirts for their playoff run, The Post has learned, but the two sides have reached an agreement about his near-term future.

nypost.com

LOL sure.

I'm the type to admit mistakes. I'm actually pretty objective.

Did you expect the Rangers to say they were displeased with his progress while signing him so that they can likely trade him?

What teams tell players behind closed doors is often different than what they will say outwardly. Not smart to tank your own players value.

13 points in 19 KHL games as a 22 years top 10 NHL draft pick is not good by any metric or standard. They fully expected him to light up the KHL and he did not do that.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If Keefe won't play Sandin, Kakko provides a bottom 6 player with some size.

Kakko has been credited with 42 hits in 157 career games .. let's not pretend he's some bruiser or even that physical.

 

[ToneDog]

We should have a sticky thread with people's predictions on players and what they will become. So many smug comments in here. So easy to throw scathing one-liners and then disappear into the night when the your predictions is wrong.

Dmen take longer to develop but was a 23 year old dman, drafted #17OA in 2017 a bust a year ago ??? Dubas would be eaten alive if he moved Nylander for two unproven forwards and they busted. Hell he probably would have been fired. I'd rather shoot for Lafreniere and Schnieder but no idea if Rangers would be interested or jump on it.

 

[ULF_55]

I’m even open to Willy for high end elc talent (anyone in the top 7 wanna trade their pick this draft?) because if you move out his aav which is hard to replace dollar in dollar out, but if you move Mrazek and Willy you can sign a forsberg or Kadri and a back up, and come out cap neutral while adding a top 5-7 pick to the fold, a guy like Cooley Nemec or Slaf would be huge to have in a season or two on an ELC to help offset the Matthews Marner extensions plus whatever else is added to the cap by then.


They’re definitely heading into bust territory compared to expectations

Forsberg maybe, he's 27 will be 28 this upcoming season.

Kadri, no way, he'll be 32 this upcoming season and Leafs can't afford to have that much money tied up in a player that age in addition to Tavares who'll be the same age. Kadri will likely cost the same as Nylander does today.

Of course if Kadri is interested in a Gio deal ...

 

[Nylanderthal]

LOL

That’s literally what you just proposed

 

[BertCorbeau]

I'm open to moving Mrazek, swapping salaries with Campbell (effectively) and pursuing another 1B option.

I still think the Oilers pay up for Campbell if Keith intends on retiring

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm open to moving Mrazek, swapping salaries with Campbell (effectively) and pursuing another 1B option.

I still think the Oilers pay up for Campbell if Keith intends on retiring

Buffalo linked to Campbell I believe

If Edmonton strikes out on all their options, I wouldn't hate a deal around Ryan and Mrazek or if we get really pushed...Kassian is 3.2M...600k savings.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

My guess is they've probably kicked around Mrazek for Murray, with Ottawa retaining salary so that its a cap neutral move for both teams.

I would be fine with that. Murray at 50% is fine. Only prefer him as backup though. If he is our starter, I won't have much confidence.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Forsberg maybe, he's 27 will be 28 this upcoming season.

Kadri, no way, he'll be 32 this upcoming season and Leafs can't afford to have that much money tied up in a player that age in addition to Tavares who'll be the same age. Kadri will likely cost the same as Nylander does today.

Of course if Kadri is interested in a Gio deal ...

Kadri won’t take that, but if you could keep term to 4-5 years and the aav around 7-8m you’d have to consider it.
I wouldn’t go 6-7 years at any dollar amount based on age.
Bunting Matthews Marner
Tavares Kadri Perron

 

[stickty111]

That's a bit misleading. 4 point in 20 games. No, not great, but he's still 22. He also had a good year in the KHL and the Rangers just signed him and are "pleased with his progress". You have to make some predictions on players based on how they're progressing, their style of play, etc. I think he bounces back. I could be wrong.

Vitali Kravtsov won’t join Rangers for playoff run as future plans are made

Vitali Kravtsov will not be joining the Blueshirts for their playoff run, The Post has learned, but the two sides have reached an agreement about his near-term future.

nypost.com

LOL sure.

I'm the type to admit mistakes. I'm actually pretty objective.

You are okay with trading a PPG or close winger at a good contract for a guy who is 22 and close to bust territory and a top 5 recent pick who has failed to meet expectations? If we proposed that to another fan base in reverse, we would be laughed at. Rangers better be adding Schnieder and 1st on top of that

 

[Nylanderthal]

I'm open to moving Mrazek, swapping salaries with Campbell (effectively) and pursuing another 1B option.

I still think the Oilers pay up for Campbell if Keith intends on retiring

Holland has horse shows up his ass if either smith or Keith let him off the hook by retiring

 

[BertCorbeau]

In a cap-clearing move (and new management) I wonder about the Leafs trying to get Jake Evans out of Montreal. Signed for $1.7 AAV for the next 3 years, he's done well in a bottom 6 role.

He's showing the ability to score, win face-offs, and is physical. Could swing up on the wing too.

Might be a nice #4C option.

Montreal is locked in on Suzuki, Dvorak, and soon Wright. And I have a vibe they'll make some moves this off-season and try to make a play for Kadri. Could be an opportunity there.

 

[Nylander88]

If they're trading Sandin, you can do significantly better.

I think trading an "undersized" 22yr old D-man that is going the way of Dermott (#5,#6,#7 defenceman who's having trouble breaking through and is blocked on the left side by Rielly, Muzzin, and now Giordano...not to mention Brodie is a lefty who could play the left side too if we had more righties) for a 21yr old winger with decent size who was a #2 overall pick....would be a magnificent deal. I'm sure Sandin has good value, but I don't think it's as high as some of us would like to think. As far as a one for one swap goes, this would be a solid deal by us imo. Without being in a package, imo Sandin could fetch you a 2nd round pick today. I'd rather gamble on a former second overall pick that's younger than Sandin, than a second rounder

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Yeah, like how some here want to trade Willy for a couple of bust wingers. I can’t see Francis going into next year with Gru and Daccord considering how awful gru was last year. He and mrazek have history together in Carolina, I can see a fit. Maybe we take back the LTIR drieger deal and get a free year of cap space before kicking the can down the road.
Seattle in turn gets a goalie that can play for them in a no pressure situation

Francis left before Mrazek arrived.

I was considering a Mrazek for Driedger swap, but not sure the Leafs want a guy they can't use.

If they do a deal like that, maybe it will be Mrazek + Holl for Khudobin +. Both teams want a change. Dallas can get Khudobin off of the books without buying him out while getting a solid guy to tandem with Oettinger for the next 2 years. They also need RD.

Leafs get some value out of Mrazek/Holl and then can take on the cost to dump Khudobin to a team like Chicago/ARI/BUF (Khudobin does not have trade protection, which may be a concern with Mrazek). It won't be too bad of a cost.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Kadri won’t take that, but if you could keep term to 4-5 years and the aav around 7-8m you’d have to consider it.
I wouldn’t go 6-7 years at any dollar amount based on age.
Bunting Matthews Marner
Tavares Kadri Perron

4-5 years for Kadri is still really bad .. sure he's had a career year now but he's the same age as Tavares .. That's a cap-crippling move IMO. The odds of him replicating that offensive game here is slim.

 

[Morgs]

If they're trading Sandin, you can do significantly better.

Kakko is the exact kind of player you want for Sandin, imo.

Plays our weakest position with years of cheap control, the offensive upside is there, and analytically he's growing into an absolute monster. Not that I'm advocating trading Sandin, but if you were going to do it he'd be right at the top of my list.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Buffalo linked to Campbell I believe

If Edmonton strikes out on all their options, I wouldn't hate a deal around Ryan and Mrazek or if we get really pushed...Kassian is 3.2M...600k savings.

Edmonton has some dead weight pieces that would swap out for mrazek pretty easily. Ryan, Kassian, foegele, smith, the ltir klefbom deal in its last season all could be swapped for mrazek and both teams end up with a little something different they can utilize

 

[ULF_55]

Kakko has been credited with 42 hits in 157 career games .. let's not pretend he's some bruiser or even that physical.

I'd rather keep Sandin, but he has no value to the fans if the coach won't play him, or he's squeezed out of the line-up by a 39 year old.

I have been happy with his body of work, same with Liljegren, but if the team doesn't have confidence in them then what's the point? IMO both are smarter than several of the veteran defenders the Leafs use. Again, just my opinion but I don't think their veteran defenders display that intuitive instinct that you want at the top of your defense.

Probably me being impatient, because if they jerk the two of them around for another 2 seasons they still won't be old.

 

[ToneDog]

Holland has horse shows up his ass if either smith or Keith let him off the hook by retiring

Doesn't Keith's AAV count even if he retires since he is over 35 ??

 

[LeafChief]

Doesn't Keith's AAV count even if he retires since he is over 35 ??

I'm pretty sure it depends on if he signed the contract after he was 35 (I don't think he did). Smith signed after age 35 so his would count against the cap for sure.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Francis left before Mrazek arrived.

I was considering a Mrazek for Driedger swap, but not sure the Leafs want a guy they can't use.

If they do a deal like that, maybe it will be Mrazek + Holl for Khudobin +. Both teams want a change. Dallas can get Khudobin off of the books without buying him out while getting a solid guy to tandem with Oettinger for the next 2 years. They also need RD.

Leafs get some value out of Mrazek/Holl and then can take on the cost to dump Khudobin to a team like Chicago/ARI/BUF (Khudobin does not have trade protection, which may be a concern with Mrazek). It won't be too bad of a cost.

You’re right Francis left April 2018 mrazek signed that summer. Somehow I assumed their times overlapped.

I'm pretty sure it depends on if he signed the contract after he was 35 (I don't think he did). Smith signed after age 35 so his would count against the cap for sure.

Doesn't Keith's AAV count even if he retires since he is over 35 ??

Leafchief is correct. Smiths on the books regardless and Keith isn’t as he’s one of the last bacK diving deals

 

[Magic Man]

Trying to get a gauge on Zack Aston-Reese. If the contracts are equal, who is a better fit for the Leafs? Kase or ZAR?

ZAR brings the grit - he was 15th in hits in the league this season. Deslauriers, ZAR and then Lube are the players with the highest hit totals from the FA possiblities. He also usually drops the gloves a couple times a year. He is staple PK guy so he could arguably do a better job on the PK and probably even with even strength defense on a checking line. He won't give you the potential offense that Kase could in the games he plays, but I have a feel he could be poised for a minor burst with additional time and quality linemates similar to Acciari going to Florida or Kampf coming to Toronto.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Rangers don't need Sandin.

 

[ULF_55]

Rangers don't need Sandin.

They don't need Kakko either.