Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[zeke]

Well, of course they are. But haven't you noticed yet that Tampa's wins periodically involve the third and fourth lines scoring goals?

Geez, even McDavid doesn't score 3-5 points a game...

The Leafs 3rd and 4th lines also score goals.

 

[Fogelhund]

Look, I know Nylander is probably staying, and I don't have a huge issue with that (however, I would want to see a few others traded in that scenario), but I'm going to do a Nylander trade for fun.

Nylander (Tor) for Kakko & Kravtsov (NYR)

Why Toronto does it:
-Money wise, both Kakko and Kravtsov are RFA's, but, at this point in time, I imagine both would be bridged. There would be savings. How much? Don't know. Enough though.
-Both Kakko and Kravtsov were drafted too high. That said, Kakko is starting to show glimpses of what he can become. At worst, he's still going to be a decent top-6 winger. He's also 6'3 and has acknolwedged that he will start using his size more. Could be a good skill/size combo type of player.
-Kravtsov had a good year in the KHL. Definitely not the star he was expected to be, but he's turning into a net-crashing, north-south meathead. We need some of those guys! Also, 6'3 and solid.
-Both Kravtsov and Kakko "slow the game down" and Kravtsov goes into traffic. They can be, potentially, good wingers for Tavares.
-You lose Nylander, but you have two cost-controlled guys who are ready to step into the line-up and may have a break out year (Kakko more than Kravtsov)

Why Rangers do it:
-Socko mentioned that the Rangers are missing stick-handling and good pass-receivers. Lots of puck bobbling and poor puck control. I noticed this too. Nylander helps solves the problem right away.
-Salary-wise, I think they can afford it. (with some moves)
-Rangers seem to be entering win-now mode and may be open to this.
-Rangers have some good wingers in the system who can replace the guys they lost (Othmann).

Rangers are pretty Cap strapped to top it off. I don't think they could do this, just on Cap alone.

I'd want more back for Nylander anyway. but anything we would likely ask for, would put NYR in an even worse cap situation.;

 

[ToneDog]

Let's trade the dman with the best combination of size, strength, snarl and physicality. We need to add more Muzzin qualities and less Sandin qualities IMO. I mean all you have to do is watch the Tampa D when they lock it down. They block shots and keep everybody to the outside. Vasi is great but it doesn't hurt to have Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh, Cernak in front of you for 45+ minutes per game.

 

[Stigma]

Kravtsov is entering bust territory. He wasn't good with the Rangers and hasn't really done well in the KHL when he went there either. Very average. This isn't to say he's not a worthy project to pick up but certainly not in a Nylander trade.

Kakko is ok but he has very low production as well. He hasn't progressed in 3 years. A little better than Kravtsov but similar situation... not exactly doing well. A bit younger though and has some potential.

If you're trading Nylander, you better aim so much higher. This is not nearly good enough.

I hear you, but don't necessarily agree with all of the above.

The Rangers have been very happy with Kravtsov's progress this year in the KHL. 13 points/19 games. 10 points/15 playoff games. Pretty good for the KHL and has developed a good physical, north-south, net-front game. I see solid top-9 potential with him. Also brings more of what we need.

Kakko - he was probably rushed into the league. I think he's trending in the right direction though. Was good in the playoffs. Still very young and I would be very surprised if he doesn't have a breakout season soon.

I would prefer they aim higher too....Schneider and one of those two. Not sure what Rangers do though.

 

[ACC1224]

I dont think NYR will be open to trade trouba for nylander and not sure leafs would get much more than schneider but yes he could be a great target

Isn’t Trouba one of those players that will only play in the US?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Isn’t Trouba one of those players that will only play in the US?

Yep… that was the thing when Winnipeg traded him

 

[SprDaVE]

I hear you, but don't necessarily agree with all of the above.

The Rangers have been very happy with Kravtsov's progress this year in the KHL. 13 points/19 games. 10 points/15 playoff games. Pretty good for the KHL and has developed a good physical, north-south, net-front game. I see solid top-9 potential with him. Also brings more of what we need.

Kakko - he was probably rushed into the league. I think he's trending in the right direction though. Was good in the playoffs. Still very young and I would be very surprised if he doesn't have a breakout season soon.

I would prefer they aim higher too....Schneider and one of those two. Not sure what Rangers do though.

If the Rangers want a 30 goal scorer and 80 point producer with a great cap hit for a few more years, I think they'll have to figure out. But Kravtsov doesn't have good value.

Kakko is a good start though.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Rangers could make a could trade partner for Willy though. They could use the scoring help and have some interesting pieces.

 

[Dreakmur]

The only answer for the Mrazek question has to be ARI, doesn't it? The Ritchie deal worked so well for both sides, why not try it again?

They need a backup and help to the floor.

Tie Mrazek to Kerfoot and send them to a budget team. They add 7.3 million in salary cap usage for 4.95 million in real dollars. Send is back a decent bottom 6 guys and we’re good.

Ottawa for Austin Watson would be my top choice.
Arizona for Christian Fischer could work.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If the Rangers want a 30 goal scorer and 80 point producer with a great cap hit for a few more years, I think they'll have to figure out. But Kravtsov doesn't have good value.

Kakko is a good start though.

Not sure how I feel about Kakko personally

 

[Dreakmur]

Not sure Arizona will want to spend the money on Mraz

The most messed up thing about the Mrazek contract is they structured it to make it harder to trade. No bonuses and the salary goes up every year. Year 2 and 3 he gets 4.2 and 4.4 million bucks even though the cap hit is just 3.8.

 

[Duke16]

Rangers could make a could trade partner for Willy though. They could use the scoring help and have some interesting pieces.

Maybe, but they are about to have some cap issues of their own, so they can't do that Nylander for Kakko/Kravstov deal. It's such an insignificant price that they may just do it and figure out the rest of the puzzle later.

Kravstov is someone I like a bit, but he's not really adding significant value to that deal.

I still see Kakko ending up good (Top 6) but worse than Nylander. Willy had a 60 PT season at the same age.

Neither of those Rangers were in the lineup with the season on the line; Willy was an 80 PT player this year who scored more goals than they combined for points.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Doubt Trouba goes anywhere so it would be Miller or Schnieder plus. I'd swing for the fence and try to get Lafreniere and Miller/Schnieder for Nylander and Holl ??

They'd likely want to include Nemeth for $$

 

[LeafChief]

Look, I know Nylander is probably staying, and I don't have a huge issue with that (however, I would want to see a few others traded in that scenario), but I'm going to do a Nylander trade for fun.

Nylander (Tor) for Kakko & Kravtsov (NYR)

Why Toronto does it:
-Money wise, both Kakko and Kravtsov are RFA's, but, at this point in time, I imagine both would be bridged. There would be savings. How much? Don't know. Enough though.
-Both Kakko and Kravtsov were drafted too high. That said, Kakko is starting to show glimpses of what he can become. At worst, he's still going to be a decent top-6 winger. He's also 6'3 and has acknolwedged that he will start using his size more. Could be a good skill/size combo type of player.
-Kravtsov had a good year in the KHL. Definitely not the star he was expected to be, but he's turning into a net-crashing, north-south meathead. We need some of those guys! Also, 6'3 and solid.
-Both Kravtsov and Kakko "slow the game down" and Kravtsov goes into traffic. They can be, potentially, good wingers for Tavares.
-You lose Nylander, but you have two cost-controlled guys who are ready to step into the line-up and may have a break out year (Kakko more than Kravtsov)

Why Rangers do it:
-Socko mentioned that the Rangers are missing stick-handling and good pass-receivers. Lots of puck bobbling and poor puck control. I noticed this too. Nylander helps solves the problem right away.
-Salary-wise, I think they can afford it. (with some moves)
-Rangers seem to be entering win-now mode and may be open to this.
-Rangers have some good wingers in the system who can replace the guys they lost (Othmann).

This is horrendous.

 

[thusk]

Let's trade the dman with the best combination of size, strength, snarl and physicality. We need to add more Muzzin qualities and less Sandin qualities IMO. I mean all you have to do is watch the Tampa D when they lock it down. They block shots and keep everybody to the outside. Vasi is great but it doesn't hurt to have Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh, Cernak in front of you for 45+ minutes per game.

Its not just about d physicality or just about dman. When pittsburgh won their back to back cup, it was the same thing and they was not that big or physical. But every fowqrd worked extremely hard and they played a passive game by protecting the front of the net at 5...

The problem right now, you cant play that way because they dont have the goalie to shut the door from outside......a goalie able to find the puck from trafic and stop the puck even if its a deflection and control the rebiund.. it was not the case with andersen and its not the case with Campbell

 

[namttebih]

Mrazek has a 10 team no trade list and is owed 8.6m in real dollars. Good luck moving him to a budget team unless there are sending most of that money back.

I've been on that campus in ARI. The views were incredible. Maybe they can sell him on that? Haha

 

[LeafChief]

Trying to get a gauge on Zack Aston-Reese. If the contracts are equal, who is a better fit for the Leafs? Kase or ZAR?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Trying to get a gauge on Zack Aston-Reese. If the contracts are equal, who is a better fit for the Leafs? Kase or ZAR?

ZAR from what I recall was good at assisting with shot suppression...not much in the way of offense.

I wouldn't bring Kase back just for the fact he cannot stay healthy.

 

[ULF_55]

Rangers are pretty Cap strapped to top it off. I don't think they could do this, just on Cap alone.

I'd want more back for Nylander anyway. but anything we would likely ask for, would put NYR in an even worse cap situation.;

I was kind of thinking something more along the lines of Sandin for Kako.

Points wise not much difference.

 

[ToneDog]

Its not just about d physicality or just about dman. When pittsburgh won their back to back cup, it was the same thing and they was not that big or physical. But every fowqrd worked extremely hard and they played a passive game by protecting the front of the net at 5...

The problem right now, you cant play that way because they dont have the goalie to shut the door from outside......a goalie able to find the puck from trafic and stop the puck even if its a deflection and control the rebiund.. it was not the case with andersen and its not the case with Campbell

And it probably won't be the case with whoever Dubas can find. Let's face it SC winning goalies do not grow on trees so you better have the next best thing; a D than can lock it down when it counts. As good as our D is today, we do not have that IMO.

 

[SprDaVE]

Trying to get a gauge on Zack Aston-Reese. If the contracts are equal, who is a better fit for the Leafs? Kase or ZAR?

ZAR is more or less the winger version of Kampf. Solid and good skating grinder but pretty meh offensively. He'd replace Mikheyev very well for his PK and forechecking abilities but not much ability to move up the lineup.

Both ZAR and Kase with Kampf would be a heck of a line.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Trying to get a gauge on Zack Aston-Reese. If the contracts are equal, who is a better fit for the Leafs? Kase or ZAR?

Kase, but only if he can stay healthy of course.

The depth offense is better, and he can still play strong defense.

 

[Stigma]

This is horrendous.

What would you propose?

 

[ToneDog]

Tie Mrazek to Kerfoot and send them to a budget team. They add 7.3 million in salary cap usage for 4.95 million in real dollars. Send is back a decent bottom 6 guys and we’re good.

Ottawa for Austin Watson would be my top choice.
Arizona for Christian Fischer could work.

Maybe they can send us another Carter Hutton. It's all mute if Zona is on his 10 team no trade list (see Dadorov).

 

[ULF_55]

What would you propose?

Sandin for Kako.

Career:

PPG
Kako - .369
Sandin - .318