Dreakmur
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I've had Barbashev in trade proposals since he was drafted. Really wanted us to pick up a late first and sag him.
He's not very big. He just plays hard and mean.
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I've had Barbashev in trade proposals since he was drafted. Really wanted us to pick up a late first and sag him.
He's not very big. He just plays hard and mean.
BertCorbeau
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Sounds like JT Miller is going to get a haul for Vancouver. I hope Dubas is keeping tabs on the market to see if there's an overpay for Nylander out there.
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Does anyone think the Leafs/Pens could swing a Mrazek + Kerfoot for Zucker + futures type deal? Or even just Mrazek for Zucker.
Pens get a tandem partner for Jarry, while Kerfoot could fill Zucker's spot in the Pens lineup.
With Zucker, we have a few options:
1) We could buy him out (if the deal is done early enough). It is a cost of 2 mill this year and 1.7 mill next year because he only has one year left on his deal. A lot more palatable than buying Mrazek out right now, even though I doubt that is something the Leafs are seriously considering.
2) We could flip him right away with retention. There may be some teams willing to take a shot on him for little cost if he comes with some retention. It would mean dead cap for only one year. Of course PIT could retain or buy him out themselves, but they may be more enticed by giving Mrazek a chance to bounce back than doing that (PIT would be familiar with Mrazek after he was in Carolina for a number of years).
3) Finally, we could use him as a 2LW. Zucker is not worth 5.5 mill, and that cap hit may ultimately be the largest sticking point (although we may be able to get PIT to retain a little bit). Generally, his offensive game has been very inconsistent for a while now, and in terms of pure skill, he has never really been more than a 20-25 goal, 20-25 assist kind of guy.
However, he does play a style of game which could be perfect for a line with Tavares and Nylander. He has experience with Zuccarrello and Staal when he played with MIN. He is already familiar with the overall dynamic of that 2nd line. He is fast and has a potent enough shot to work with Nylander off of the rush or to take one timers in the circle. He is not a great playmaker, but he is good enough with the puck on his stick to be able to work well with guys of Tavares/Nylander offensively. He can handle the puck down low and is a capable forechecker, which is something that line needs to get the most out of Tavares. Added benefit is that he is strong in his own end (and may even be able to PK here) and can be a decent threat on PP2.
Pens get a tandem partner for Jarry, while Kerfoot could fill Zucker's spot in the Pens lineup.
With Zucker, we have a few options:
1) We could buy him out (if the deal is done early enough). It is a cost of 2 mill this year and 1.7 mill next year because he only has one year left on his deal. A lot more palatable than buying Mrazek out right now, even though I doubt that is something the Leafs are seriously considering.
2) We could flip him right away with retention. There may be some teams willing to take a shot on him for little cost if he comes with some retention. It would mean dead cap for only one year. Of course PIT could retain or buy him out themselves, but they may be more enticed by giving Mrazek a chance to bounce back than doing that (PIT would be familiar with Mrazek after he was in Carolina for a number of years).
3) Finally, we could use him as a 2LW. Zucker is not worth 5.5 mill, and that cap hit may ultimately be the largest sticking point (although we may be able to get PIT to retain a little bit). Generally, his offensive game has been very inconsistent for a while now, and in terms of pure skill, he has never really been more than a 20-25 goal, 20-25 assist kind of guy.
However, he does play a style of game which could be perfect for a line with Tavares and Nylander. He has experience with Zuccarrello and Staal when he played with MIN. He is already familiar with the overall dynamic of that 2nd line. He is fast and has a potent enough shot to work with Nylander off of the rush or to take one timers in the circle. He is not a great playmaker, but he is good enough with the puck on his stick to be able to work well with guys of Tavares/Nylander offensively. He can handle the puck down low and is a capable forechecker, which is something that line needs to get the most out of Tavares. Added benefit is that he is strong in his own end (and may even be able to PK here) and can be a decent threat on PP2.
nuck
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I doubt there are going to be a lineup of clubs interested in Mrazek but 20 games with some injuries is not going to erase the previous 280. GMs don't have that kind of short term tunnel vision so long as his health isn't an issue. I think he will bounce back but he is probably a #2 rather than a 1a and that is just too much money for a backup. If they resign Campbell for under $4M the total spend could work but is Jack the 2022 guy? Not sure that is doable and if they are bringing in a brand new legit #1 he won't be had for $4M..
The goaltending solution is a bit scary and complicated but the Mrazek part of it isn't that bad.
He's 5'11, he also showed some promise in Edmonton
Play him as a sheltered #6RD and see if we can rebuild his confidence, he's still only 25
Get the best RFA goaltender we can acquire, he probably won't cost a fortune to resign then use Mrazek as his veteran partner
It's risky but most goaltending is when you don't have an elite option
Dreakmur
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So we're going to try to develop Lilijegren, Sandin, and Bear while we're trying to win the cup??
I am sick with tandem, just go all out and get a true No.1 goalie. If we want to win the Cup, hoping for a goalie to have the months of his life during the playoffs is throwing mud at the wall and hope it sticks.
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You know how you get good defenseman? You develop them and they become those guys you rely on for runs in the playoffs
showtime8
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I don't hate the idea of just a swap of Mrazek for Zucker. Zucker can still find a home in the NHL, whether it's with the Leafs or someone else. The ultimate goal is to get out of Mrazek's contract because I think the Leafs are trying to get a true #1 and not work with a tandem.
But I don't think that Zucker could work in the dynamics of the roster and Flipping him to a team like Columbus or Detroit would be okay. Names like Miles Wood, Oskar Sundqvist...
The key to all of this is getting ahead of the free agent market and establishing the trade prices. The Leafs shouldn't be waiting for UFA's to get signed because that Mrazek deal is going to look worse by the day.
Dreakmur
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We should have been developing some of these guys for the last 5 years, but decided to play Justin Holl instead.
You don't want to be developing 1/2 your blueline at the same time, unless you're not expecting to make the play-offs.
Unless there's injuries all 3 of those guys won't be playing at the same time and last I looked when we brought in a bunch of young talent it actually propelled us into a playoff team
You seem to think young and developing means bad, it doesn't
Shooter2x
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Yeah but the hauls are huge because of how much individual stuff you have to give up.
We would still be giving up the best asset in the trade which makes it a loss from the first second.
If Nylander is worth a huge haul, then any lateral move is worth a huge haul as well and it washes out. So we are guaranteed to not get the better player if the package is huge. Unless you want to bet on draft picks that will either bust or ready to win conn smythes when matthews turns 30.
**If any core player is being traded, then you add to them to guarantee you get the better asset back. Simple as that. Otherwise they stay.
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I believe in Sandin. He's not cloning Muzzin's impact. But I think he's a top 4 defeneman with top pair potential. I am completely against trading him now.
Brobust
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I agree that the Mrazek situation isn't bad but more because of the buyout number than because of his track record.
He was godawful most of this year. I don't see how someone can watch his previous season and confidently gamble $8M+ on him.
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The other risk is Nylander hasn't even peaked yet. If you go lateral route value wise but different skillsets, that lateral player may have peaked, whereas Nylander pops off for 90 regular season points and a nice 10 goals 20 assists in the playoffs. Nylander even has the potential for at least one 100 point season before he retires.
Shooter2x
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Agreed.
Our best route is to just ride or die with Nylander's roster spot. Rangers sure aren't regretting doing that with Kreider and Kreider has never touched any of Nylander's highest goal totals prior to this season.
Even with a kadri remorse thread running the nylander ideas are still coming out.
Nylander would have hit 100 points this season if he played with Matthews
Dreakmur
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Bringing in a bunch of young forwards is not the same as a bunch of young defensemen. Defense requires a lot more nuance and experience.
Young and developing means growing pains.
It also means guys who are coming into there prime years, not going out of them
This team has brought in young defenders during its contending years
It went pretty well
Dreakmur
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Which young defenseman have we developed? Sandin, Liljegren, and Dermott have all been derailed....
Love Sandin and hope he can develop his speed and strength. He has serious poise and confidence in his abilities but that lack of footspeed and size to cover for mistakes can get exposed in the playoffs. I think he could make a solid pairing with someone like Brodie, but it’s sort of the same problem with Mo.
And shipping out Muzzin to make room would lessen our Stanley cup odds for the next two years right before Matthews walks to UFA…might be worth it to see what the interest is like in Sandin across the league.
If a team like NJ were really high on Sandin and offered Mercer for him 1 for 1 or maybe Sandin + a 3rd, would you take that?
His skating will always prevent him from being a top pairing Dman.
I really can’t think of any top pairing Dman that’s as bad as skater as Sandin.
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