Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[hockeywiz542]

Who can be the next Jason Spezza for the Maple Leafs? Ranking eight potential candidates

Who might fit the bill on the free-agent market to be the Maple Leafs' next Spezza? And will the Leafs try to find a similar replacement?

theathletic.com

1. Darren Helm

2. Andrew Cogliano

3. Trevor Lewis

4. Sam Gagner

5. Brian Boyle

6. Tyler Bozak

7. Derek Stepan

8. Jay Beagle

 

[ULF_55]

I just think tou want to move the wrong horse to upgrade the depht...for me a player who can drive a line by himself, you are one of best defensive player in the NhL, playing hard and ready to get hurt by a getting a hit or blocking shots...you dont touch it...

They have too much cap in the top 3 players.

That is the only spot where you can get more than a 1 for 1 transaction and not just be dumping a player for a couple bottom 6 players you can get in free agency.

 

[Mickey Marner]

3×5 isn't bad tbh. Mrazek deal throws a wrench into it though.

 

[Magic Man]

Who can be the next Jason Spezza for the Maple Leafs? Ranking eight potential candidates

Who might fit the bill on the free-agent market to be the Maple Leafs' next Spezza? And will the Leafs try to find a similar replacement?

theathletic.com

1. Darren Helm

2. Andrew Cogliano

3. Trevor Lewis

4. Sam Gagner

5. Brian Boyle

6. Tyler Bozak

7. Derek Stepan

8. Jay Beagle

Out of the 8 names listed here, the only one I'd consider is a return of big Brian Boyle. If he came in around league minimum he would be a fine 4th line player.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

3×5 isn't bad tbh. Mrazek deal throws a wrench into it though.

It's rich, with or without the Mrazek deal. He is not a 5 mill goalie on any term. If he signs for 1 or 2 years, I can see him getting 4.5 mill... And if we wanted to do that deal, we could easily find a way to make it work.

4 mill is the cap on anything with 3+ years of term though.

Who can be the next Jason Spezza for the Maple Leafs? Ranking eight potential candidates

Who might fit the bill on the free-agent market to be the Maple Leafs' next Spezza? And will the Leafs try to find a similar replacement?

theathletic.com

1. Darren Helm

2. Andrew Cogliano

3. Trevor Lewis

4. Sam Gagner

5. Brian Boyle

6. Tyler Bozak

7. Derek Stepan

8. Jay Beagle

None of those guys are good enough to be on our 4th line. The Leafs need to turn to younger guys.

 

[thusk]

They have too much cap in the top 3 players.

That is the only spot where you can get more than a 1 for 1 transaction and not just be dumping a player for a couple bottom 6 players you can get in free agency.

Yes and no

Exemple you trading nylander at 7M for a 4M player...you get a player and you add 3M to sign someone else around 4

The player leafs to move away is nylander... seriously i remembered me a lot a of alexander Semin. He was pretty good offensive player who scored a lot in Washingto. He was pretty good in playoff too, except his last one. But outside oh goal/ assist stats, He didnt bring anything else. he finally hit free agency, sign for money and 3 years later in NHl carreer was over. I dont know if nylander carreer will have the same end but as player, they looked pretty similar...

I dont think nylander will resign in 2 years, he will go where the money is. Marner im pretty sure he will play in entire carreer in Toronto.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I wonder if you could pry Theodore out of Vegas. He plays both sides. Him and Rielly together would be great.
I’m sure he’s well down the list of guys they want to move to clear cap space but who knows.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

It's rich, with or without the Mrazek deal. He is not a 5 mill goalie on any term. If he signs for 1 or 2 years, I can see him getting 4.5 mill... And if we wanted to do that deal, we could easily find a way to make it work.

4 mill is the cap on anything with 3+ years of term though.



None of those guys are good enough to be on our 4th line. The Leafs need to turn to younger guys.

Agreed, any deal starting with a 5 is a no go for me. He hasn't shown he can even remain injury free to be a starter let alone play decently in all those games.

 

[kb]

But that is just making a change for the sake of change, doesn't change make up of team.

That's exactly what I thought of your deal. Making the team worse in a year from now by trading a significantly younger high end talent for a middling (older) talent + one that's going UFA.

Even taking age and future projection out of the equation, the formula kinda reeks of the much complained about Kadri trade, v2.0.

 

[ULF_55]

Yes and no

Exemple you trading nylander at 7M for a 4M player...you get a player and you add 3M to sign someone else around 4

The player leafs to move away is nylander... seriously i remembered me a lot a of alexander Semin. He was pretty good offensive player who scored a lot in Washingto. He was pretty good in playoff too, except his last one. But outside oh goal/ assist stats, He didnt bring anything else. he finally hit free agency, sign for money and 3 years later in NHl carreer was over. I dont know if nylander carreer will have the same end but as player, they looked pretty similar...

I dont think nylander will resign in 2 years, he will go where the money is. Marner im pretty sure he will play in entire carreer in Toronto.

So getting a couple bottom 6 players for Nylander.

 

[ULF_55]

That's exactly what I thought of your deal. Making the team worse by trading a significantly younger high end talent for a middling (older) talent + one that's going UFA.

Even taking age and future projection out of the equation, the formula kinda reeks of the much complained about Kadri trade, v2.0.

Perhaps, but you aren't getting two good players for 7 million.

 

[Dreakmur]

In the last 3 seasons, Nylander has 10 goals and 19 points in 19 games played in the playoffs. Over that same stretch he has 82 goals 182 points in 200 games played in the regular season. He’s literally been better in the playoffs the last 3 seasons than the regular season.

I think it makes sense to trade Nylander but can we put to rest the idea that this guy somehow is mailing it in during the post season?

Nylander is the same in regular season than playoffs. He doesn’t wilt more raise his game. Just like the regular season, he sometimes mails it in in the playoffs… but he also sometimes dominates.

Who can be the next Jason Spezza for the Maple Leafs? Ranking eight potential candidates

Who might fit the bill on the free-agent market to be the Maple Leafs' next Spezza? And will the Leafs try to find a similar replacement?

theathletic.com

1. Darren Helm

2. Andrew Cogliano

3. Trevor Lewis

4. Sam Gagner

5. Brian Boyle

6. Tyler Bozak

7. Derek Stepan

8. Jay Beagle

Why do we need or want another Jason Spezza? He was a fine 4th liner, but the real appeal was he played for league minimum.

I think we’d be better off building out our bottom 6 with players who are specifically unlike Spezza.

 

[kb]

Perhaps, but you aren't getting two good players for 7 million.

Nor long term for $11 million either. One year of control left for the major piece coming back is a heck no.

Both are older too.

 

[thusk]

So getting a couple bottom 6 players for Nylander.

Just the 7M of nylander is probably enought to sign one of perron, palat, copp + paul...

A pretty good second line player and a excellent third line player

 

[Nylanderthal]

Duchene is a center, nylander a winger. Its a huge difference


34 goal and 80p is about REGULAR SEASON. Toronto dont want to updrade for regular season but for playoff.

Exemple you get engval and nylander for 8M or Copp+ paul at 8... which one making you a better playoff team ? I think its copp and paul

Nylanders production goes up in the playoffs, so taking away the best playoff performer on the team seems counterproductive.
Willy has 2 years of control and has been better of late than duchene was when he was moved.

So you aren't interested in moving a better player for a package of players to improve overall depth?

No.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Just the 7M of nylander is probably enought to sign one of perron, palat, copp + paul...

A pretty good second line player and a excellent third line player

Better off keeping Willy and finding a bargain, or better yet trimming fat from elsewhere to bring in those types. Kerfoot engvall Kase are $6m upfront, Muzz & Holl are $7.625m you can shuffle around as well.
You don’t need to move Willy to better the depth of this roster

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I think the Leafs and Kings make great trade partners.
To
Kings
Nylander
Sandin
2024 2nd

To
Toronto
Kaliyev
Roy
Vilardi
2022 1st

Gives the Leafs a very High-end wing prospect, a partner for Reilly, a big C prospect who still has upside, and another 1st for this draft. We also get 3.8 million cap relief to add to the line up in ufa.

Kings get an 80 point winger for their top line, and a young top 4 LD with top pairing upside and a 2024 2nd.

 

[Menzinger]

3×5 isn't bad tbh. Mrazek deal throws a wrench into it though.

3x5 is likely doable. But they'd need to replace Mrazek with a cheaper vet 1B to back Campbell up (in the 1.5-2 mil range).

I still think theyll bring in a vet in the 2-3iah mil range and trade for a young guy who hasn't broken out yet.

 

[Menzinger]

Perhaps, but you aren't getting two good players for 7 million.

Yep. Which is the problem with any Nylander trade scenario.

Ideally he would bring back a bluechip prospect + 1st or very young top 9 guy who is in the upswing in terms of development and 1st.

BUT that still makes the roster worse. You're not replacing 70-80 points and 30 goals (and ppg in the playoffs) for 7 mil worth of depth free agency signings.

Why at this point I don't think he's traded this offseason. If he is, it'll be next summer if the team opts to do a more substantive retool.

 

[Nylanderthal]

3x5 is likely doable. But they'd need to replace Mrazek with a cheaper vet 1B to back Campbell up (in the 1.5-2 mil range).

I still think theyll bring in a vet in the 2-3iah mil range and trade for a young guy who hasn't broken out yet.

Blackwood/Georgiev/Vanacek/samsonov + Holtby/DeSmith/Allen/Mrazek/Rantaa

 

[Nylanderthal]

Yep. Which is the problem with any Nylander trade scenario.

Ideally he would bring back a bluechip prospect + 1st or very young top 9 guy who is in the upswing in terms of development and 1st.

BUT that still makes the roster worse. You're not replacing 70-80 points and 30 goals (and ppg in the playoffs) for 7 mil worth of depth free agency signings.

Why at this point I don't think he's traded this offseason. If he is, it'll be next summer if the team opts to do a more substantive retool.

I’d only move him if a team like NJ decided to accelerate their rebuild and offer up a high level pick/blue blue chip prospect. Then you replace Willy with a high end FA and whatever you need to create to make up that cap difference comes from replacing kerfoot with an ELC/vet min.
Are you better off with say Slaf/Cooley + forsberg/Kadri (both would be 8x7, if not more for forsberg probably 9x7) + a vet minimum
Or Willy + what you can get for kerf money in FA/trade (Paul/Perron) + what you get from kerf (maybe late 1st probably 2 2nds)

 

[Americanadian]

Forsberg in Ottawa would be a strong target. He was 4th in the league in goalie WAR/60 among starters. He just signed on for 3 years in Ottawa but Friedman said this week that Ottawa plans on going into the season with 3 goalies. 2.75M cap hit. 100 career games with a .909 SV%.

It would probably take something enticing to get him out of there. Something like Robertson+2022 1st (25th) for Brown at 50% (1.8M)+Forsberg.

 

[jiggy35]

If we move kerfoot , Holl, Mrazek, and potentially muzzin that gives us 14.9 million to fill 2LW, 3 C, 3 Rw, 4 Rw.

2 Lw Nichuskin 7 years x 6 million
3 C Paul 4 years x 3.5 million
3 Rw Roy 2 years x 2 million ( Trade)
4 Rw Zar 2 years x 1.2 million
3 Rd Gudbranson 2 years x 2 million
1 G Campbell 4 years x 4 million
2 G Holtby 2 years x 2 million


Bunting Matthews Marner
Nichushkin Tavares Nylander
Robertson Paul Roy
Zar Kampf Engvall

Reilly Liljegren
Gio Brodie
Sandin Gudbranson

Campbell
Holtby

Playing off this, but with primary intention of getting Hellebucyk - we need to see what the core can do with a legitimate starter.

Mrazek + 1st + 2nd + prospects for Helle
Kerfoot for Van 2nd/3rd
Muzzin for Lak 2nd/3rd

Val Nichuskin 4/5x6
Nic Paul 3/4x2.5
Engvall/Sandin/Lilegren 2x~1.5
Lybushkin 1x1.5

Bunting - Matthews - Nichuskin
Robertson - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Paul - Nylander
Steeves/Holmberg/UFA - Kampf - Steeves/Holmberg/UFA

Rielly - Liljegren
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Holl/Lybushkin

Hellebuyck
Kallgren/UFA

Forwards: Distribute the talent across top 3 lines for 5v5 with a solid energy 4th line - move Nylander to top line when needed

Defence: Give lilj and Sandin a chance and evaluate at deadline if one gets flipped for an available top 4 guy. Gio/Holl/Lyub an excellent bottom pairing

Goalie: ride or die w hellebuyck

 

[LeafChief]

Forsberg in Ottawa would be a strong target. He was 4th in the league in goalie WAR/60 among starters. He just signed on for 3 years in Ottawa but Friedman said this week that Ottawa plans on going into the season with 3 goalies. 2.75M cap hit. 100 career games with a .909 SV%.

It would probably take something enticing to get him out of there. Something like Robertson+2022 1st (25th) for Brown at 50% (1.8M)+Forsberg.

Dear God.

 

[thusk]

Nylanders production goes up in the playoffs, so taking away the best playoff performer on the team seems counterproductive.
Willy has 2 years of control and has been better of late than duchene was when he was moved.


No.

Nylander production on playoff is basically the same as regular season...

0.78pts by game in carreer on regular season, 0.81... in my mind he had 1 really good playoff in 6 year,

Just last playoff, statstically you watch him and you can tell oh wow he was good... the answer is no he was not good at all...during most of the series, except maybe 1 game, the only thing nylander did hes staying on perimeter and sending the puck to JT who taking hit, paid the price and did everything on the ice. JT was very good, yes but he did everything on that line. I think i saw nylander rush the net once during the 7 games.
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