Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 - Post Deadline

[Dreakmur]

I think this is the tough spot that you have as an organization because you're paying for what he's already accomplished and not sure what you'll get moving forward.

You have 2 years with him to carry the mail and then you're essentially forcing yourself into a re-signing at age 31 or 32.

That's the same as every signing. Hell, it's the same as every move, including retaining players. Keeping Nylander is based on the hope that he'll repeat what he accomplished last year.

 

[Americanadian]

I don't like the Nylander trade. I think you need more than Matt Roy and an agitator.

Not many teams are a good match. LAK have a need for scoring winger, ideally right shot (Arvidsson is their only RH shot in the top 9) and 20M cap space. They have an excess of RHD which has been the Leafs need for 20 years.

There's a trade to be made there but I agree there would probably be more going to Toronto. Anderson was a throw in because he also shoots right and his brother is probably going sign long term with LA this summer.

Also Nylander played 2 years with Kempe on MODO from 2013-2015.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not many teams are a good match. LAK have a need for scoring winger, ideally right shot (Arvidsson is their only RH shot in the top 9) and 20M cap space. They have an excess of RHD which has been the Leafs need for 20 years. There's a trade to be made there but I agree there would probably be more going to Toronto. Anderson was a throw in because he also shoots right and his brother is probably going sign long term with LA this summer.

What makes you think the Leafs will consider moving Nylander unless it is for a ridiculously good deal? Roy is not the kind of guy who returns Nylander, and Lemieux is worthless.

 

[Gabriel426]

What makes you think the Leafs will consider moving Nylander unless it is for a ridiculously good deal? Roy is not the kind of guy who returns Nylander, and Lemieux is worthless.

The thing is if you are the Kings, would you trade for Willie or sign Forsberg as UFA.

 

[Americanadian]

What makes you think the Leafs will consider moving Nylander unless it is for a ridiculously good deal? Roy is not the kind of guy who returns Nylander, and Lemieux is worthless.

When's the last time a winger with 2 years remaining returned a big haul? Panarin got Saad. Can't think of any others although I'm sure they're out there. Hall had 3 years left and only returned Larsson.

The thing is if you are the Kings, would you trade for Willie or sign Forsberg as UFA.

You sign Forsberg 10 times out of 10 at whatever number he wants. We just don't know if he's leaving Nashville yet.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The thing is if you are the Kings, would you trade for Willie or sign Forsberg as UFA.

When's the last time a winger with 2 years remaining returned a big haul? Panarin got Saad. Can't think of any others although I'm sure they're out there.


You sign Forsberg 10 times out of 10 at whatever number he wants. We just don't know if he's leaving Nashville yet.

Sounds like the Leafs are keeping Nylander. If all Panarin was able to return was Saad, then I would rather ride it out with Panarin.

 

[Dreakmur]

I don't like the Nylander trade. I think you need more than Matt Roy and an agitator.

There's very few Nylander trades that make sense for both Toronto and the other team.

Chychrun+ makes sense for Toronto, but I'm not sure Arizana wants a player with just 2 years left. 3 way trade where the 3rd team sends picks and prospects to Arizona could work.

Provorov makes sense for Toronto, but not sure Philly wants to downgrade the defence more.

I think Carolina would want Nylander, but I don't see a package that makes sense for both teams.

Nylander/Scheifele swap makes sense to kind of jolt both teams.

Nylander for Miller? It helps us this year, but just 1 year is a huge risk.

Not much else out there.

 

[Americanadian]

Sounds like the Leafs are keeping Nylander. If all Panarin was able to return was Saad, then I would rather ride it out with Panarin.

Why not take the top pair RHD at 3.1M for next season if it's on the table then spend the additional 3.8M elsewhere? I'd rather Marchment/Roy over Nylander.

 

[Brobust]

There's very few Nylander trades that make sense for both Toronto and the other team.

Chychrun+ makes sense for Toronto, but I'm not sure Arizana wants a player with just 2 years left. 3 way trade where the 3rd team sends picks and prospects to Arizona could work.

Provorov makes sense for Toronto, but not sure Philly wants to downgrade the defence more.

I think Carolina would want Nylander, but I don't see a package that makes sense for both teams.

Nylander/Scheifele swap makes sense to kind of jolt both teams.

Nylander for Miller? It helps us this year, but just 1 year is a huge risk.

Not much else out there.

Hell no for Schiefele. I also don't love the idea of trading 2 years of Nylander for 1 year of Miller.

I think Nylander+Sandin for Necas+Pesce is one I would do.

 

[Dreakmur]

I think Thornton was a desperate attempt at trying to ignite something.

One of the major pitfalls Dubas has had was placing too much emphasis on chasing that "killer instinct" (which I would not be surprised came from Shanny, who seems to be making a lot of stupid mistakes as a President and would be better off butting out altogether) and settling for subpar players like Simmonds, Thornton, and Foligno to get it.

Like if I had to choose between Thornton and Perry, it would easily be Perry... because it was clear that Thornton had nothing left in the tank even in his last year in San Jose and Perry still had something left to offer. Between Simmonds and Perry? Well Simmonds was 3 years younger and I don't think it is necessarily a bad bet for him to rekindle things in his hometown on a good team (which he had not played on for a number of years before he arrived).

Although in general, our "kids" are now in their mid-20's. They should not need a Spezza or Thornton or Perry or Foligno to teach them the ropes or ignite their passion. If anything, they should be the ones handling those responsibilities now and the ones that people turn to. They have had Spezza in that locker room for 3 years. An idiot could figure out what passion and desire looks like by now. If we bring in a 38 year old, it is because we believe they have something to offer on the ice, like Gio. Otherwise, Dubas has accumulated at least 5 young players who have earned a legitimate look at an NHL spot this year. Those spots used to be occupied by guys who were near the end of their careers and, for the most part, had nothing left to offer. Now they should be occupied by guys who are either hungry to turn their careers around (Tierney, Sanford, Rask, etc.) or guys who are hungry to get their careers started (Anderson, Robertson, Steeves, Holmberg, Abruzzese, etc.). And that is how we will get the surplus value to push us over the top.

Joe Thornton is the antithesis of killer instinct.

 

[htpwn]

The big risk of that is opportunity cost. So if the Leafs could squeeze a Michael Bunting on a sub $1 million contract, what are we sacrificing to keep Mrazek, and can he play at a consistent 1B level? Is it worth it?

I think a big component will be how healthy he is, which is something only Leafs management really has insight on. If he is, then yes, I do have some confidence he'll bounce back and am willing to risk it -- again, assuming there is no hockey deal on the table (i.e., no retention; no high/medium-end assets out the door, etc.). Fair point on the opportunity cost... Dubas is going to have his work cut out for him to find another Bunting-type, but our tight cap pretty much necessitates it.

 

[ULF_55]

The thing is if you are the Kings, would you trade for Willie or sign Forsberg as UFA.

LA should sign the free agent.

That doesn't mean the Leafs accept a low-ball offer because there's a free agent out there.

 

[Gabriel426]

LA should sign the free agent.

That doesn't mean the Leafs accept a low-ball offer because there's a free agent out there.

That’s not my point. My point was why would LA use assets to acquire a player where they can sign for nothing. This applies to every teams.

 

[ULF_55]

There's very few Nylander trades that make sense for both Toronto and the other team.

Chychrun+ makes sense for Toronto, but I'm not sure Arizana wants a player with just 2 years left. 3 way trade where the 3rd team sends picks and prospects to Arizona could work.

Provorov makes sense for Toronto, but not sure Philly wants to downgrade the defence more.

I think Carolina would want Nylander, but I don't see a package that makes sense for both teams.

Nylander/Scheifele swap makes sense to kind of jolt both teams.

Nylander for Miller? It helps us this year, but just 1 year is a huge risk.

Not much else out there.

Nylander, Kerfoot and Engvall
for
Miller and Boeser

 

[ULF_55]

That’s not my point. My point was why would LA use assets to acquire a player where they can sign for nothing. This applies to every teams.

They should sign the free agent.

Has nothing to do with Nylander then.

Except of course only one team can sign the one free agent you were referring to.

 

[Duke16]

Ah yes, let's trade William Nylander for a collection of forwards who will be worse than the ones who go unqualified and end up as FA's.

Wood and Gurianov would be slam dunk fantastic additions through that route... and we'd still have our 34 goal 80 PT winger

 

[Brobust]

Duchene trade should be the standard for Nylander. Obviously the Avs lucked into the 3rd overall, but good NHLer, future 1st, and prospect.

Necas + 1st + Drury
Beauviller + 2022 1st + Wahlstrom (meh)
Iafallo + 2023 1st + Faber
JVR + 2022 1st + Morgan Frost/Tyson Foerster
Garland + 2022 1st

 

[supermann_98]

There's very few Nylander trades that make sense for both Toronto and the other team.

Chychrun+ makes sense for Toronto, but I'm not sure Arizana wants a player with just 2 years left. 3 way trade where the 3rd team sends picks and prospects to Arizona could work.

Provorov makes sense for Toronto, but not sure Philly wants to downgrade the defence more.

I think Carolina would want Nylander, but I don't see a package that makes sense for both teams.

Nylander/Scheifele swap makes sense to kind of jolt both teams.

Nylander for Miller? It helps us this year, but just 1 year is a huge risk.

Not much else out there.

If we had some assurance Miller was willing to re-sign for $7-7.5m after this year I'd be all over that

 

[Duke16]

I don't understand mock lineups that have Kallgren in them. He will be 26 by the time things get rolling again, has a decent AHL seasos and a pretty poor NHL stint to his name this year. His NHL nunbers and Mrazek's from this year are the same - I get that Mrazek's contract is obviously the real burden there, but we'd likely not want an .888 goalie regardless.

If anything, to me Kallgren could be thrown in to a trade for one of our new goalies if some other team is a fan for some reason. I think the Leafs should (and do) like Woll more long term, and I'd probably try to have Petruzzelli getting more starts in the AHL too. There will be a third goalie in that mix, but that's not hard to find - and it could just be Kallgren again (ideally getting less starts)

Not saying Kallgren definitely shouldn't be back, but he should be closer to a throw-in in a deal than the NHL backup based on his body of work and how the depth chart is shaping up.

 

[nuck]

I think this is the tough spot that you have as an organization because you're paying for what he's already accomplished and not sure what you'll get moving forward.

You have 2 years with him to carry the mail and then you're essentially forcing yourself into a re-signing at age 31 or 32.

And you have to expect he will be looking for the absolute peak possible salary because he did that before with no leverage. I don't know if most of his peers wouldn't squeeze just as hard but I do expect him to. I would just as soon he does that on another team where he is "the guy" and they can justify it. It really makes too much sense to move him now. I don't believe Dubas keeps him because of "the promise" I think he keeps him because he is committed to proving his point that top heavy can be balanced with enough cheap deals to make it work, and he really isn't looking ahead to what resigning WN will do to their cap going forward.

With rose colored glasses if Campbell is even decent they are past Tampa and Florida sucked ass in round two so they are maybe in the finals if they can get past Shesterkin. To Dubas they don't need to move Willie, they just need a little better goalie. I don't think its that simple because this lineup can only play one style of game. If you play Leaf hockey against them they will dunk on you but if you throw a curve the team can't adapt so well. But it is possible.

 

[Brobust]

I want to trade Sandin for a forward but I have second thoughts every time I watch Adam Fox.

Not that he'll ever be in the same league as Fox, but their offensive instincts feel so alike sometimes.

 

[Gabriel426]

I want to trade Sandin for a forward but I have second thoughts every time I watch Adam Fox.

Not that he'll ever be in the same league as Fox, but their offensive instincts feel so alike sometimes.

Problem is Fox can actually skate.

Look at Makar's play against McD last night. I think Fox can make that play too probably wont be as smooth but there is no way Sandin can make that play. If anything, I think Sandin will be posterized

 

[Dreakmur]

Problem is Fox can actually skate.

Look at Makar's play against McD last night. I think Fox can make that play too probably wont be as smooth but there is no way Sandin can make that play. If anything, I think Sandin will be posterized

Fox is a better skater than Sandin, but it's certainly not his strength.

 

[Brobust]

Problem is Fox can actually skate.

Look at Makar's play against McD last night. I think Fox can make that play too probably wont be as smooth but there is no way Sandin can make that play. If anything, I think Sandin will be posterized

Never been a major issue for Sandin, IMO.

His issue seems to be that he's not great at board battles and gets lost a bit once a team starts cycling the puck.

Honestly, if this shit team can play more than 7 games in a playoffs, I guarantee you'll be seeing some Sandin hits replayed over and over again on TSN/Sportsnet.

 

[Menzinger]

Okay I have seen this multiple times and I don't get it. Sandin's AAV won't be high even on a medium term deal so how can we not afford him? What am I missing?

It's just idle media speculation.

I don't see any indication management is interested in entertaining even the idea of a Sandin trade. Mirtle has flat out said they didn't consider moving him during any of their tdl negotiate