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GDT: Trade and Free Agency Thread - 2021/22 PART X

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My off the wall, totally insane and not happening plan:

Muzzin LTIR until end of season

Out:
Holl, Mrazek, Dermott, every pick until the end of time

In:
Miller (50%), Comtois (50%), Chiarot (50%), Varlamov (50%), Schenn

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Miller - Tavares - Nylander
Comtois - Kerfoot - Kase
Mikheyev - Kampf - Engvall
Spezza, Simmonds

Rielly - Chiarot
Muzzin - Brodie
Schenn - Lyubushkin
Sandin - Liljegren

Varlamov
Campbell

lol
 
GoLeafsGo96 said:
Robertson doesn't really have a position on the team if they acquire a winger.

Right now hes coming out once Kase is back - and if they go ahead and add a forward without subtracting one then Robertson is multiple injuries away from getting back in.

Of course if he forces their hand, that is great - but he will have to do a lot in the next few games to even give himself a chance at an extended look IMO.
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Agreed. IMO Robertson is probably our biggest trade chip, just ahead of our 1st. It will be a shame because he is a sniper and who can't use a sniper?
 
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Scion said:
The decision to swarm in front of the net and give up the blue-line is a tactical decision. The whole point, is to force the opposition into low percentage shots. I do wonder if that is the best setup given how bad this team is at clearing the net front. However, it's entirely possible that the defense looks even worse if they challenge the point and concede even more in the middle of the ice.

Truthfully, I think tactics are secondary at this point. As long as the defense and goaltending perform this poorly it doesn't matter what tactical setup the Leafs employ.
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Exactly we can change goalie, can change coach but that will change absolutly nothing because the team will stay the sam lack of physicality.

Im also agree than chiarot ( not for a 1st) can be a very good upgrade for this part of the game.
 
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thusk said:
Exactly we can change goalie, can change coach but that will change absolutly nothing because the team will stay the sam lack of physicality.

Im also agree than chiarot ( not for a 1st) can be a very good upgrade for this part of the game.
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When your captain refuses to even make eye contact with a player physically bullying him.... you know you have a leadership problem. Ive twice seen Tavares literally getting bullied down onto his ass and he just takes it, and acts as if he tripped over his own feet, gets up and keeps skating all the while the opposing player is berating him down the ice. Dubas has to address it.... it just cant happen. No doubt in my mind, the rangers would have fired him like they did their GM after Wilson.
 
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thusk said:
Exactly we can change goalie, can change coach but that will change absolutly nothing because the team will stay the sam lack of physicality.

Im also agree than chiarot ( not for a 1st) can be a very good upgrade for this part of the game.
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Given the Leafs trouble against straight line speed I actually think their best bet is to go after a smooth skating defenceman. I agree that they need more edge, but one guy isn't going to fix that alone and a guy like Chiarot doesn't do enough good things apart from being physical to justify his price. My targets would be: Chychrun, Manson, Giordano and Soucy in that order.
 
Sypher04 said:
My off the wall, totally insane and not happening plan:

Muzzin LTIR until end of season

Out:
Holl, Mrazek, Dermott, every pick until the end of time

In:
Miller (50%), Comtois (50%), Chiarot (50%), Varlamov (50%), Schenn

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Miller - Tavares - Nylander
Comtois - Kerfoot - Kase
Mikheyev - Kampf - Engvall
Spezza, Simmonds

Rielly - Chiarot
Muzzin - Brodie
Schenn - Lyubushkin
Sandin - Liljegren

Varlamov
Campbell

lol
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Fills every need. Agreed, Insane and not happening.;)
 
Scion said:
The decision to swarm in front of the net and give up the blue-line is a tactical decision. The whole point, is to force the opposition into low percentage shots. I do wonder if that is the best setup given how bad this team is at clearing the net front. However, it's entirely possible that the defense looks even worse if they challenge the point and concede even more in the middle of the ice.

Truthfully, I think tactics are secondary at this point. As long as the defense and goaltending perform this poorly it doesn't matter what tactical setup the Leafs employ.
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No, I'm not blaming the defense, I'm laying on the wingers not engaging at the point, sometimes not even getting their sticks in passing lanes.

Of course Rielly chasing forwards up the boards or floating across the line of vision isn't helping.
 
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thusk said:
Its fun, its exactly how columbus eliminated toronto 2 years ago. So you will need to explain me how.

Its not just about hold stick during 30 sec or cross check, it about to battle to win your battle and being in the right spot to make play.

right now toronto d when they need to make a play like lift a stick and take position on a rebound, they cant because they already lost his battle and out of position.
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If they're holding the stick for 30 seconds it means the puck is being owned by the opposition outside the goalie defensive area.
If they have that much time the forwards are being owned. Which if we're being honest they are.
Of course the Leafs hold the puck for 30 seconds in the O-Zone looking for the perfect play.
Certainly, I'd take a term top 4 defender who can dominate in front of the net, that would help cover-up the issues with the forwards.
 
GoLeafsGo96 said:
Robertson doesn't really have a position on the team if they acquire a winger.

Right now hes coming out once Kase is back - and if they go ahead and add a forward without subtracting one then Robertson is multiple injuries away from getting back in.

Of course if he forces their hand, that is great - but he will have to do a lot in the next few games to even give himself a chance at an extended look IMO.
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Agree here.

If we are making a LW move like Crouse or Miller, 100% Robertson is moved as part of the package. He would not have a place here in the Top 6.

I think Kerfoot would also be moved in the off-season as his contract would be too much for a 3rd line player.
 
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Scion said:
Given the Leafs trouble against straight line speed I actually think their best bet is to go after a smooth skating defenceman. I agree that they need more edge, but one guy isn't going to fix that alone and a guy like Chiarot doesn't do enough good things apart from being physical to justify his price. My targets would be: Chychrun, Manson, Giordano and Soucy in that order.
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I think some people here really underrated his skating. Chiarot is a good skater. For me he can have a similar impact than hainsey had in a team.
 
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LeafSteel said:
Agree here.

If we are making a LW move like Crouse or Miller, 100% Robertson is moved as part of the package. He would not have a place here in the Top 6.

I think Kerfoot would also be moved in the off-season as his contract would be too much for a 3rd line player.
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I think Crouse would be much easier and cheaper.

I just don't know why the Canucks would move Miller, they're competing next year. They were sunk by their start.
Coyotes are likely in rebuild mode until their new arena, in whichever country that is.
I'm guessing might be some upside left in Crouse.
 
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ULF_55 said:
I think Crouse would be much easier and cheaper.

I just don't know why the Canucks would move Miller, they're competing next year. They were sunk by their start.
Coyotes are likely in rebuild mode until their new arena, in whichever country that is.
I'm guessing might be some upside left in Crouse.
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I listened to the 32 thoughts podcast. The thinking is that Vancouver is weighing their options, finding out what extensions on may players might look like. They are also looking at building a strong team long term, and building from the D core out... so, they want a very good, young D back for Miller. The name that they threw out, was Byram as a potential long-term partner for Hughes. That seems to make sense for Vancouver, and Miller as a replacement for Kadri next year, before they have to really pay MacKinnon, makes sense for Colorado. I don't see how we enter that type of conversation, Sandin isn't quite at that level.

Some other thoughts... Nick Roberston - sees his brother's success, and he's tried too hard to succeed, wants it too much..

Max Comtois. Ducks are strong at LW, and Comtois, having had both hand surgery, and Covid this year, is the odd man out, despite previous success, and very well might be traded.

Jack McBain going to Free Agency is talk around the league. Minnesota may try and trade his rights, but not much of a market.

Talked about the Leafs quite a bit, around 42 minutes as well... perhaps worth a listen.

The Hot Stove Is Heating Up | Podcasts - Sportsnet.ca
 
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ULF_55 said:
I think Crouse would be much easier and cheaper.

I just don't know why the Canucks would move Miller, they're competing next year. They were sunk by their start.
Coyotes are likely in rebuild mode until their new arena, in whichever country that is.
I'm guessing might be some upside left in Crouse.
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I think it might have to do with the fact that there are rumors out there that Miller has locker room issues.
 
ULF_55 said:
No, I'm not blaming the defense, I'm laying on the wingers not engaging at the point, sometimes not even getting their sticks in passing lanes.

Of course Rielly chasing forwards up the boards or floating across the line of vision isn't helping.
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That is what a swarm is, the forwards back up to help the D in front of the net. If the wingers play higher up the ice there is space in behind them which is the high danger area the Leafs are attempting to protect. You make it seem as if simply covering the point solves all of the Leafs issues when in reality it just opens up a different set of problems.
 
thusk said:
I think some people here really underrated his skating. Chiarot is a good skater. For me he can have a similar impact than hainsey had in a team.
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Fair point, but is he good enough aside from his physical game to really improve the team? Admittedly, Chiarot is never a guy I focused on when we played Montreal, I am mainly going off of his analytics.
 
Scion said:
That is what a swarm is, the forwards back up to help the D in front of the net. If the wingers play higher up the ice there is space in behind them which is the high danger area the Leafs are attempting to protect. You make it seem as if simply covering the point solves all of the Leafs issues when in reality it just opens up a different set of problems.
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Obviously the Leafs have more problems than giving up point shots.

I don't see the Leafs forwards protecting anything, if you think dropping back and letting the opposition fire and pass without interruption tell me how well that is working?
 
I’d be fine with adding Chiarot depending on the price of course. I wouldn’t give up a 1st round draft pick but a 2nd and Hirvonen or something along that line I wouldn’t be too upset.
 
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